Why should SV / MM hunters get Exotic Beast families?

[Vephriel]

Calm down Quelthasa, there's no need to so aggressive. Everyone's arguing and counter-arguing their own views and ideas. What you're angry about in the first place isn't even something that's happening right now. Currently Exotics are for BM only. I understand that you don't like the idea of the other specs getting Exotics, but as that is not actively occurring then we can all just speculate at will.

[cowmuflage]

Um i think we should get a mod to lock this as some people are being way to rude about other opinons heck its worse than that ruckus i made in the killin rares one >.> I am sorry for makeing that btw i should not post when that red river likes to flow it makes things bad.

[Vephriel]

Locking a thread is not an fix-all solution, I'd rather see people calm down of their own accord. Stalling it while it's still at a boiling point doesn't seem to do much in my opinion.

I will, however, be keeping a close eye here. If people prove that they cannot have an argumentative discussion politely then I'm afraid it will come down to a lock.

[Shandorei]

Calm down Quelthasa, there's no need to so aggressive. Everyone's arguing and counter-arguing their own views and ideas. What you're angry about in the first place isn't even something that's happening right now. Currently Exotics are for BM only. I understand that you don't like the idea of the other specs getting Exotics, but as that is not actively occurring then we can all just speculate at will.

I've edited the post I had, which about three people saw I guess, my apologizes, I don't believe this thread should be locked only for that one post.

[Shandorei]

With all due respect, I have to imagine that everyone has different reasons for their spec. I do not solely spec BM because of the exotic pets (though I did roll a hunter for pets in general : ) ) -- I spec BM because I like all the useful talents it has, such as stuns, lowered CD on master's call, the 3% damage boost to my fellow players, bestial wrath, etcetera. This is perhaps why you're so vexed by other people having different ideas? I can see what you are getting at though, right now it is what makes BM so /visibly/ special. For me, it's the rest of the spec that already makes it special, and I often find myself wishing it had a signature shot to add to the rotation, and that I could use any pet I wanted in any spec, period. For you obviously what makes it special is having access to pets that no other spec can have. I suppose it all comes down to personal preference, like anything else... very curious to see how Cataclysm handles it in any case. Hopefully in a way that will please at least most hunters.

EDIT: Wow, hey. You know what? nevermind. :/ Your response was rude and completely uncalled for. I no longer wish to be part of this discussion. Take care.

First I'd like to say I'm really sorry for my behaviour, it seems some rage has built up trough the posts here were people suggest things for us BMs without giving any real reasons why we should get that.

But (there's always a but ;p) from what you say here, you like the BM tree for its usefulness in improving beasts etc. The marksman hunters and SV hunters in general think it would be fair giving us some random shot, if they get all the pets out in the world.

Several hunters out here who spec Beast mastery just don't spec it for a signature shot.

Thats about it, and again, I'm sorry and I hope you check back in, once.

[Aquillian]

It's cool, everyone gets angry sometimes (...I certainly have at times lol). : ) I just didn't want to stick around for it, but I appreciate the apology and want to say, no hard feelings. Hehe, I consider myself a marks/BM hunter both, as I adore both specs. I see what you mean though. I'm just a pet fanatic I suppose. To be honest though, as long as we get more slots in Cataclysm I would absolutely be happy if things stayed the way they were. Marks would be darn cool with King Krush as my pet but... *shrug* =P

[Vephriel]

I appreciate that you went and apologized on your own Quelthasa. That's exactly why I prefer to leave threads open. If I had locked it back there I'm sure everyone would have been left with a sour resentment and no conclusions. It's similar to how you're never supposed to go to bed angry with your significant other. It's better to get it all out than to leave that bitterness behind, hehe.

[Nevar]

I'm not trying to say what you should or shouldnt without reason - I think my suggestion would be a cool idea because of the fact that I played BM for the longest time and then had to switch for raiding sadly. I was saying that it would be a cool idea for a BM hunter to in essence master beasts and be able to use two pets at once - this makes sense to me. I'd be fine with things staying at they are as well I'd just like BM to be a bit better than it is now for damage and such - I'd love to raid as BM with my Loque... Its just difficult to do so

[Shandorei]

It's cool, everyone gets angry sometimes (...I certainly have at times lol). : ) I just didn't want to stick around for it, but I appreciate the apology and want to say, no hard feelings. Hehe, I consider myself a marks/BM hunter both, as I adore both specs. I see what you mean though. I'm just a pet fanatic I suppose. To be honest though, as long as we get more slots in Cataclysm I would absolutely be happy if things stayed the way they were. Marks would be darn cool with King Krush as my pet but... *shrug* =P

Ah thanks, hehe, went bloody high there dno Anyway! I got to agree, Nevar, King Krush and mighty beasts while in a might spec as MM (Where both the player and the pet would be literally awesome) seems awesome, but.. I cannot see that happen Taking away the huge things that remains in BM wouldn't do any good for it, the small buffs left in the tree is not über awesome and can't (In my opinion) stand on its own feet, the big things in the tree (Beast within, Beastial Wrath, Exotics) is what makes the tree . Ofc if you like those buffs you can say they make the tree, but those three talents is like the "spine" of the tree, if you understand :p

Edit: Taking away this spine and replacing it with some shot would need a whole change to the tree since the shot needs to be specialized and made stronger (Each signature is based on the spec, this would have made sense). Which would turn it into some MM / SV wannabe tree again, I think, or it COULD happen!

Quote edit thingy:

If I had locked it back there I'm sure everyone would have been left with a sour resentment and no conclusions. It's similar to how you're never supposed to go to bed angry with your significant other. It's better to get it all out than to leave that bitterness behind, hehe.

Fixing things between yourself and others is important yes ;o Was fighting with a person I care much for yesterday (Like, discussing and disagreeing about.. something personal, not hitting each other :O ) Couldn't sleep so I called her^^ We fixed the problems and ahh it felt so much better!

[Aquillian]

*nods* I can understand that. ^^ It seems we simply are attached to different aspects of the spec, and for different reasons. Nothing wrong with that imo. Part of it for me too is that I rolled my first BM hunter before exotics were introduced, so I have such fond memories of all the different talents/saves I've made with them/soloing expeditions etc. (and you might too! I do not mean to imply that you don't). When I see a neat pet, I tend to simply think "man hunters get such cool pets", rather than whether or not it's exotic. Just different thought processes I think.

[Dweezill]

LOL Yeah, this was getting as bad as that whole Garwal incident about a year ago. lol I thoght punches were gonna be thrown over that one. lol

[Nevar]

LOL Yeah, this was getting as bad as that whole Garwal incident about a year ago. lol I thoght punches were gonna be thrown over that one. lol

/shudders - I remember that...

[Vephriel]

Oh? Was that on the old style of forums?

[Shandorei]

*nods* I can understand that. ^^ It seems we simply are attached to different aspects of the spec, and for different reasons. Nothing wrong with that imo. Part of it for me too is that I rolled my first BM hunter before exotics were introduced, so I have such fond memories of all the different talents/saves I've made with them/soloing expeditions etc. (and you might too! I do not mean to imply that you don't). When I see a neat pet, I tend to simply think "man hunters get such cool pets", rather than whether or not it's exotic. Just different thought processes I think.

also thought a little around this 0o I rolled wow just when exotics were released, so I have never experienced that, but I would think that is were the small buffs and cool stuff come into the picture, not the pets. It might still be like that Guess most of us here is just too pet obsessed to see things other than the pets, I am for one fond of the buffs it gives aswell (I remember on my early days, the only thing I wanted was Kindred spirits and a Devilsaur, it was like God-mode buffs for me and the pet) With the ferocious inspiration made into a buff, makes it sound better The thing around the beasts you have, the buffs you and the pet makes together kinda binds you,

Taming the beast itself, Spirit Bond, Ferocious Inspiration, Kindred Spirits, Exotics, all these things creates a special bond between you and the pet, which is why I would NEVER give away having special beasts to some random shot, I am way to bound to my pets for that. You get more bound to a pet, a "living" creature which is always by your side, than a spell on your action bar that you release on "4" :p (Be ware, "bold" was just an example of my opinion)

[Saturo]

You guys might hate me for this, but I've named my Chimera-shot button Bernie. Long story.
I like Bernie more than any pet...

[Shandorei]

LOL Yeah, this was getting as bad as that whole Garwal incident about a year ago. lol I thoght punches were gonna be thrown over that one. lol

Quite honestly I wish this had stayed, it gives MM and SV SOMETHING very special and cool ;D Dislike wolves in general so I wouldn't have one

[Aquillian]

Perhaps we're more in agreement than I thought then :3 That was what I tried (and failed!) to get across; that my pets mean a lot more to me than any of my shots, and I'd rather be able to use any of them at any time than have a special shot. Which is to say, I'd rather BM have a special shot IF it meant I could use my exotics in any spec. Does that explain a bit better? x_X; I'm really bad at getting across what I mean, eeps. I am not asking you to agree of course just hoping to explain a bit better.

[Gimlion]

I was about to post something about How I don't see it as such a huge deal due to me having the experience of huntering (New words ftw) around before Cata, and such pets being tameable at all, but someone beat me to it. =D

[Shandorei]

Perhaps we're more in agreement than I thought then :3 That was what I tried (and failed!) to get across; that my pets mean a lot more to me than any of my shots, and I'd rather be able to use any of them at any time than have a special shot. Which is to say, I'd rather BM have a special shot IF it meant I could use my exotics in any spec. Does that explain a bit better? x_X; I'm really bad at getting across what I mean, eeps. I am not asking you to agree of course just hoping to explain a bit better.

Hehe, doesn't matter when it creates discussions, I like them, specially when you get a little more along going towards a possible agreement or conclusion.

Anyway, is that you'd love to play in SV/MM with a exotic pet? This is my opinion: Even if I could have exotics in SV / MM I would still not go in it for that, BM is my playstyle because I like to help my pet, rather than it helping me. You wouldn't had nearly as good pets in SV / MM anyway if you had exotics on them, so there wouldn't really be any point having exotics for them other than the skins :s And the skins is what makes BM, so you would take something big from BM there.. Ahh I suck at explaining this Hope you get the point

[Shandorei]

You guys might hate me for this, but I've named my Chimera-shot button Bernie. Long story.
I like Bernie more than any pet...

Laughed hard, you are joking, right?