Why is BM so low in dps?

[Lisaara]

Half the comments are half-brained.....you lose IQ points reading most of them.

[Slickrock]

Well, said it before, but on the target dummy, with a macro'd rotation, I can do about 17k in both BM and SV. In raids, SV pulls ahead if I can do a lot of AOE.

There's a guy who is MM/SV in my raid, and he does beat me by a good margin when he has the time to do the hard-cast Aimed rotation. If he can't then I match or beat him in SV or BM.

So really, MM is ahead by about 10-12%, IF they can do the aimed rotation. If not, the specs are about equal.

[AdamSavage]

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[Ayrisa]

Didn't wanna browse through all 5 pages to check if it was mentioned, but if anyone uses add-ons, Curse has a great one called reforgenator. I'm not the best with knowing what I need to cap or lessen/increase stats of. I like to think of this as a Reforging For Dummies add-on. I love it!

[Nightsights]

noticed you had 2-3 pieces where you reforged out of crit, crit is our #1 secondary stat. never reforge out of crit until you get to around 40-45% unbuffed crit.

gems, straight agi, unless you get 20 agi bonus per non-red socket.

pet talents, take the point out of bloodthirty and either boar speed/charge and put one in shark attack and one in wild hunt.

you have about the same amount of haste i do. this is my 9 second rotation, ChS - SSx2 - AiS - SSx2, repeat

[AdamSavage]

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[Lisaara]

Adam, try using the same pet spec and BM spec that WHU uses(If you dont already) and see if that helps.

[AdamSavage]

I have there Raid talents for both specs already, Didn't see anything about pet talent though.

[Lisaara]

http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/cat ... er-guides/

Look under Hunter Pet Guides. There is Ferocity, Cunning, and Tenacity. It's got separate specs for MM/SV and BM.

[Slickrock]

Ok fixed the couple things, Marks is still ahead but not as much this time. I get about a 793 dps difference now. I'll fix my gems tomorrow, With the crit gems replaced with +40 agility I get another 156 increase in DPS in BM and +338.77 in Marks. I will change my gems tomorrow and then see what it tells me.

BM:17661.56

Marks:18455.39

That from femaledwarf?

Go run a test on the target dummy. For BM and MM, it's reasonably accurate. (Less so for SV, since SV benefits a lot more from multi-target dps).

Also should note that MM really pulls ahead ONLY when you have the haste, and the time in combat standing still to do an aimed-shot rotation. Without those two parts, MM is a "spec" ahead, but not by a lot.

[AdamSavage]

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[Nightsights]

armoried you again. gloves with blue hit gem = dps loss since you are already over hit cap and are reforging out of hit, replacing with a red gem and you get an extra 30 agi. belt with nightmare tear is pretty much the same thing as a 10agi gem since the other stats are useless, replace with a red gem and you get an extra 20 agi.

glyphing into rapid fire would give a better dps increase instead of arcane shot glyph. as MM you reduce your rapid fire cd by 2 mins and all raid boss fights will be longer than 3 mins. so you get to use rapid fire atleast 4 times. fights like alysrazor and ragnaros lasts around 8-9mins so you could squeeze out 6 rapid fires. when stacking this much haste its better to hard cast aimed shot as much as possible. if you stack mastery, then arcane shots will be used when not in Careful Aim phase or rapid fire/bloodlust/heroism. which will help proc Wild Quivers since you are firing 2 arcanes and an auto shot in place of one aimed shot.

[AdamSavage]

armoried you again. gloves with blue hit gem = dps loss since you are already over hit cap and are reforging out of hit, replacing with a red gem and you get an extra 30 agi. belt with nightmare tear is pretty much the same thing as a 10agi gem since the other stats are useless, replace with a red gem and you get an extra 20 agi.

glyphing into rapid fire would give a better dps increase instead of arcane shot glyph. as MM you reduce your rapid fire cd by 2 mins and all raid boss fights will be longer than 3 mins. so you get to use rapid fire atleast 4 times. fights like alysrazor and ragnaros lasts around 8-9mins so you could squeeze out 6 rapid fires. when stacking this much haste its better to hard cast aimed shot as much as possible. if you stack mastery, then arcane shots will be used when not in Careful Aim phase or rapid fire/bloodlust/heroism. which will help proc Wild Quivers since you are firing 2 arcanes and an auto shot in place of one aimed shot.

My hit gem i there for a reason, I remove it and I'm under the hit cap. So yes I'm above the hit cap, but it's pretty hard to be dead on the hit cap. Again I reforged out of hit on purpose, If I didn't I would have to much. I had to shuffle thing around to get my hit as close to the hit cap as I could. I could put a +20 agility +20 hit for example, but then I loose the socket bonus. It's better just to leave it alone. For the rapid fire Glyphs. I don't even use Marks to raid with, I prefer BM over marks anyway. I was simply changing marks for comparison between the two of them. However for arguments sakes I'll change it back.

[TygerDarkstorm]

Adam, AGI >>>>>>>>>>>Hit. That bonus in your gloves should be avoided entirely. You shouldn't be picking up socket bonuses unless they're 20 agi and can be picked up with only 1 multi-colored gem. You're also never supposed to gem for hit except for the previously mentioned socket bonus reasons; you're always supposed to reforge for it.
Also, prismatic sockets should be filled with 40AGI gems as well--10 to all stats gems are useless now.

[AdamSavage]

Adam, AGI >>>>>>>>>>>Hit. That bonus in your gloves should be avoided entirely. You shouldn't be picking up socket bonuses unless they're 20 agi and can be picked up with only 1 multi-colored gem. You're also never supposed to gem for hit except for the previously mentioned socket bonus reasons; you're always supposed to reforge for it.
Also, prismatic sockets should be filled with 40AGI gems as well--10 to all stats gems are useless now.

I fixed my last gem, and I fixed the glyph in question while I was it as well. I would need something like 20-30 hit to be dead on the hit cap. Where am I going to get that ? I could possibly remove the reforge on the cloak to get that +40 ability on the glove, however that would put me even more above the hit cap. I don't even care if I'm a tad over the hit cap anyway, it gives me some slack room for new gear.

[TygerDarkstorm]

Undo the reforging where you're taking hit away. If you're under the hit cap, it's more important than any other secondary stat. not to mention, not every piece of gear needs to be reforged if it's got a nice stat setup on it. Honestly, reforging is about picking and choosing which pieces you should take stuff away, which you leave, and what to add. You might reforge hit off one piece and reforge to it on another to aim for a "perfect" balance.

[Lisaara]

Adam, AGI >>>>>>>>>>>Hit. That bonus in your gloves should be avoided entirely. You shouldn't be picking up socket bonuses unless they're 20 agi and can be picked up with only 1 multi-colored gem. You're also never supposed to gem for hit except for the previously mentioned socket bonus reasons; you're always supposed to reforge for it.
Also, prismatic sockets should be filled with 40AGI gems as well--10 to all stats gems are useless now.

^ This

Never ever ever gem for hit. Let reforging take care of that for you. All your gems should be Agility, always, unless its 20 or 30+.

[AdamSavage]

Adam, AGI >>>>>>>>>>>Hit. That bonus in your gloves should be avoided entirely. You shouldn't be picking up socket bonuses unless they're 20 agi and can be picked up with only 1 multi-colored gem. You're also never supposed to gem for hit except for the previously mentioned socket bonus reasons; you're always supposed to reforge for it.
Also, prismatic sockets should be filled with 40AGI gems as well--10 to all stats gems are useless now.

^ This

Never ever ever gem for hit. Let reforging take care of that for you. All your gems should be Agility, always, unless its 20 or 30+.

All your doing is taking from bob and giving to frank. If remove ALL my reforging out of hit, I would be at 9% or even more hit. I'll deal with this precious hit cap when I get home, I bet even then I wont be at the hit cap. I tried Mr. Robot and it wants to put me below the hit cap, so that's useless. I'll have to do it manually. I still don't see the big deal is. I should just gem that glove and remove the reforge on my ring, problem solved. Still above the hit cap but the glove has +40 agility now.

[AdamSavage]

Adam, AGI >>>>>>>>>>>Hit. That bonus in your gloves should be avoided entirely. You shouldn't be picking up socket bonuses unless they're 20 agi and can be picked up with only 1 multi-colored gem. You're also never supposed to gem for hit except for the previously mentioned socket bonus reasons; you're always supposed to reforge for it.
Also, prismatic sockets should be filled with 40AGI gems as well--10 to all stats gems are useless now.

^ This

Never ever ever gem for hit. Let reforging take care of that for you. All your gems should be Agility, always, unless its 20 or 30+.

Well I removed the +40 hit gem, I put in a red +40 agility, then I removed the reforge on my cloak to give me back hit. The Ironic thing is, I'm looking a dps LOSS of 138.82. So I guess in this case gemming for hit isn't a bad thing.

[TygerDarkstorm]

To reiterate my previous post (not the one you quoted): Reforging is all about balancing your gear. It's a rather powerful tool that Blizzard gave us, and you could probably spend an hour or so easily rearranging stats on your gear to try and crank out every last percentage.

Now, with reforging comes knowing how to use it. There's some pieces of gear you'll never need to reforge at all depending on your gear setup, ideal stat weights, etc. (Yes, your stat weightings vary not only by spec, but by gear. One example being that my BM hunter values haste over crit whereas my friend's values crit (according to femaledwarf.com)). There's also going to be times where you want to reforge out of hit on one piece of gear just to reforge into it on another. It's a balancing game, and it takes a little bit of time to learn how changing your stats starts affecting your character. I spent an hour, easily redoing my hunter's reforging for PvE.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/u ... y/advanced
(Don't mind the PvP helm she's wearing--I was originally PvPing with her, but then my bf started taking a break from the game so I'm focusing a little more on her PvE gear in my spare time. She's currently doing a steady 11-12k in dungeons, peaking around 16k depending on the fight.)

And actually, it's always a loss to gem pure hit. Losing out on the agility just isn't worth it.
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