Crappy Groups

[Tudyk]

Abso-freaking-lutely TERRIBLE tank/healer combos when you can't kick them because then you'd be stuck in a 40 min queue again. >.< Got heroic Stonecore with such a dynamic duo and UGH!


The tank REFUSED to kill/CC those earth-change-into-elemental baddies, and YELLED at me for doing so (even though my pet was tanking it, and I was healing the pet). Not to mention me being the only one interrupting them AND tranq-shotting the other adds ... not a good sign. Said tank was for some reason under the impression that I (as a hunter) should be responsible for AE damage, despite the fact that the other two DPS in the party was a DK and mage. I resorted to linking multi-shot and explosive trap in party chat like "really, seriously, that's all I've got, man" but he STILL went on another rant when we wiped the first time on Corborus because the crystals didn't die fast enough.

The second attempt proved the tank had absolutely no interest in actually holding aggro on anything but the boss, and consisted mostly of me aggroing shalespiders from the healer during the underground phase and then typing "tank. these. please. tank. these. please." for all of an aboveground phase and until the tank died in the dust.

Finally managed to kill him with me and the DK ping-ponging aggro and running around like idiots on our 3rd attempt (the mage and healer had been killed by adds, obv. Tank had died in dust again).

Skip through a bunch more painful ignoring of mechanics and class abilities on trash mobs with a pause to mention the druid healer winning the roll on the hit/agi trinket and the tank saying "oh shut up, we wouldn't bitch if YOU rolled on offspec gear." Tank aggroing entire extra packs of mobs and then blaming it on me or the mage ... tank yelling at people for aggroing adds when they were the ones summoned by the rift guys that he (again) refused to let us focus/CC.

The group FINALLY fell apart on the last boss when the tank went on a RANT at the DK about not interrupting force grip, and the DK's "Umm ... I interrupt it myself when I'M tanking, and SOMEBODY has to tank these adds ..." got him a vote-to-kick. The three DPS (after a very articulate paragraph from the DK about how learning what classes and mobs actually DO is a good idea if you intend to tell groups what to do) vote-kicked the tank and the healer went with him. It took us like 25 mins to find another tank/healer to kill the last boss, but I totally won the orb and got to make my goggles so, yay?

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[Kalliope]

Wow....that's RUDE. Screw that tank. Smells like fail all around in that group, but that's REALLY terrible of the tank. >_< I can't see your spec from here, but unless you're surv, your AoE damage was definitely going to be lower than the dk/mage's unless they were bad.

Interrupting force grip as a tank is tricky and you have to be fast, so I'm not surprised your tank couldn't do it. What class was he? And I have the sneaking suspicion that interrupt is easier for some classes than others....and that the dk doesn't tank on his dk. Cause otherwise, he should have just given you a tank queue for a new healer. Not to bash on him, cause he did get rid of the awful tank, but if he could have done more, that would have been nice.

Now I'm to Northrend, and need a gear overhaul to keep on tanking. Bleh.

Get the cobalt set!

[Cialbi]

Now I'm to Northrend, and need a gear overhaul to keep on tanking. Bleh.

Get the cobalt set!

Heh, that would look something like this:

Druids never did figure out this whole 'make funny rocks into shiny armor' thing.

BTW, I got a PM from someone earlier telling me the same thing! So thanks to both of you, it's appreciated

[Kalliope]

Now I'm to Northrend, and need a gear overhaul to keep on tanking. Bleh.

Get the cobalt set!

Heh, that would look something like this:

Druids never did figure out this whole 'make funny rocks into shiny armor' thing.

BTW, I got a PM from someone earlier telling me the same thing! So thanks to both of you, it's appreciated

LOL! Sorry! xD Druids used to basically be able to tank in the usual sort of gear; is that not still true?

[Cialbi]

Aquiyand (link in sig below) was taking way too much damage, even got killed by a trash pack, in Utgarde Keep yesterday. Also learned that the red proto drakes are no fun when one does a knockback and sends you flying right into another, and that trying to tank the necromancer in the two-boss fight is fail. And after having done reasonably well in BC dungeons...*shakes head*

So, that was pretty much my fail group that day, except I couldn't points fingers (nor paws, for that matter).

[Tudyk]

Interrupting force grip as a tank is tricky and you have to be fast, so I'm not surprised your tank couldn't do it.

It was sort of amusing that THAT was what finally made somebody other than me speak up, 'cause it IS a bastard (on my dru I usually say "if I miss and she's slamming me around can somebody please stop her? Thanks!")) but yeah. The tank was a warrior, I'll always be BM unless my BF forces me into some super min/max raid guild again (and hopefully even then!) and thank the gods of WoW they give you "everybody but me is in the same guild and they're ALL paying attention" groups to make up for those. =D

[Kalliope]

Aquiyand (link in sig below) was taking way too much damage, even got killed by a trash pack, in Utgarde Keep yesterday. Also learned that the red proto drakes are no fun when one does a knockback and sends you flying right into another, and that trying to tank the necromancer in the two-boss fight is fail. And after having done reasonably well in BC dungeons...*shakes head*

So, that was pretty much my fail group that day, except I couldn't points fingers (nor paws, for that matter).

UK is dodgy, cause if your healer is undergeared, it might make it seem like you're getting cuffed more than you should be. With my druid, I just rolled with my feral gear from Karazhan and did okay.

But you've got some sub-70 pieces, so yeah, you probably were getting cuffed in this case. D: Some green quest rewards will help, at least, since you have BoAs too. You can do it!

Interrupting force grip as a tank is tricky and you have to be fast, so I'm not surprised your tank couldn't do it.

It was sort of amusing that THAT was what finally made somebody other than me speak up, 'cause it IS a bastard (on my dru I usually say "if I miss and she's slamming me around can somebody please stop her? Thanks!")) but yeah. The tank was a warrior, I'll always be BM unless my BF forces me into some super min/max raid guild again (and hopefully even then!) and thank the gods of WoW they give you "everybody but me is in the same guild and they're ALL paying attention" groups to make up for those. =D

Honestly, until I was checking my facts on that fight based off your last post, I didn't even know the tank COULD interrupt that. (My pally hasn't spent much time in there yet, so I'm still learning as a Cata tank.)

I had a feeling you were BM! So yeah, even with a worm/chimaera pet, you weren't going to be the highest dps on those adds, cause BM is woefully underpowered at the moment. You're actually lucky this tank was a moron or you would have probably gotten the "go respec" whine. I wish I could have seen the dk/mage's damage; might've just been a run with overall low dps, compounding the issue of the crappy tank.

On that note, cannot wait for the patch. The one or two instances Kallimon did as BM were horrible dps-wise compared to his surv dps with the same gear. Massive drop. So depressing. D:

[Cialbi]

Many thanks for the advise! This was my "I'm going to learn how to tank by running every single instance I can as I level" character, each new dungeon is a learning experience for me at first.
Looked up what would be good quest rewards; looks like I'll be hopping back and forth between Borean Tundra and Howling Fjord. I sure wish I could have all these cobalt bars that my druid has been gathering made into armor :

[Lisaara]

Wow hun, that was horrid! I would've lost it to a guy like that....and hunter gear is all the same, no matter the spec. ><;

[Lisaara]

Ugh....got put into normal Drak'Tharon Keep.

First tank? He just went "OH HEEEEELLLLLL NOOO!" and dropped before we started.

Well instead of waiting for a new, proper tank, the healer told the dps pally "You can. I'll heal you."

I was okay to give that a shot. Well sadly, we wiped on the first trash pull......well i just feigned death. Everyone else was dead first but they still mauled me for whatever reason. Alright, that annoyed me. Pally apologizes and said he's never tanked before nor was he specced for it. I told him thats okay, we'll just wait for a proper tank. The pally was more than willing to wait. The healer and warlock however, weren't. Warlock pulled, forcing the pally to tank and they were telling me "C'mon!" and I said "Nope. I'm waiting for a proper tank. If you wanna facepull, you go right ahead." The Pally, again, was more than willing to wait beside me. But the lock and heals kept pulling, the pally had to go save them despite they were OOMing. Before I knew it, i was kicked from the group by the healer. :/

So yes....I was kicked for wanting to be patient and wait for someone who could actually tank.

[Cialbi]

Well, that was a recipe for failure. Sorry to hear that you landed in that group in the first place!
I also feel bad for the pally - I know how trying it can be to have some DPS shoot the next pack because they want to hurry us along, and I'm actually specced to be a tank!

[Lisaara]

Well, that was a recipe for failure. Sorry to hear that you landed in that group in the first place!
I also feel bad for the pally - I know how trying it can be to have some DPS shoot the next pack because they want to hurry us along, and I'm actually specced to be a tank!

Definitely was. -.-; I'm almost betting they never finished.

[Sarayana]

You should be glad to be kicked from that group Tal - spares you the debuff from a group that was set to fail right from the get-go.

[Lisaara]

You should be glad to be kicked from that group Tal - spares you the debuff from a group that was set to fail right from the get-go.

This is true. I requed and got into a different dungeon where the group was rockin. x3

[Makoes]

It's getting really annoying with the long ques for reg/heroic cata dungeons that are clearly fails from the first pull. Far to many dungeons are ending in failures for me atm. FD is pretty much the only thing saving my gold supply. I'am now keeping Barret (terropene) as one of my always have pets for dungeons, along with Vlakorados (Chromaggus) for the bloodlust, and Zolkatar (my Ant) is awsome for his wrap ability, and then either Nanaki (hyena) highwind (seagull) or Tifa (fox)

[Lisaara]

Violet Hold....very easysauce, right?

I got a gem of a tank that rather than worrying about getting his ass to the portals to grab the mobs, he was too busy trying to skin them. As a DPS, usually you got time to do that. Tanks and heals? No way. You need to move it or GTFO. Even worse...my pet tanked almost everything in there....with growl...OFF. I even turned the silly corehound boss away from the group with my pet cause the tank failed to do so......Cyanagosa? My corehound tanked her too. I even used Misdirect on the tank.....and my corehound still stole the aggro from him without growl. He was a DK and he didnt use DnD like he was supposed to either. The convo at the end kinda went like this.

Me: "Dude, I've never had a tank so horrid. My pet was tanking with growl OFF. You let mobs escape to the door and the boomkin and I had to grab him cause your ass wouldnt. I saved the healer countless times cause you were too busy SKINNING rather than doing your damned job. I even Misdirected to you and you STILL couldn't keep aggro...STILL! I've never had a tank that got misdirected fail so miserably!"
Boom: "rofl!"
DK Tank: "That's not true. We got through it. We didn't wipe."
Me: "Yeah. Because my pet tanked this place since we lacked a tank." -_-;
Warrior: "Burn. But she's right dude."
Priest: "I was healing her pet and focusing on it more than you cause she was doing your job and hers."
DK Tank: "Whatever. I know I rock at tanking."
Boom/Warr/Priest: "LOL!!!"
Me: "yeeeeah. I'll let you keep thinking that...."

[Miraga]

I'm not even sure what happened with my group. It was Lost City (regular). We started out okay but tank just wanted to pull the groups so I couldn't get a trap up if I wanted to and the mage and rogue had no time to do anything (he was a DK tank so he pulled them all and was like PEW PEW DISEASE!). Anyway we pulled them and were doing okay. The tank was taking a LOT of unnecessary damage due to extra mobs and I felt really bad for the healer for having to deal with his crap (was a paladin, dunno how efficient they are at healing). We get to the first boss and the tank is standing in that cracking ground/hurty circle General Husam does. The rogue is like "Hey... don't stand in that... kthnx." and the tank is like "lulz I thought the shaman was doing it. My bad." Now I'm not a tank and never have been but I would think that a tank should be eyeballing his health a little bit. If it was friendly fire I doubt he'd be dying so fast. o___O

Anyway we are about to move on but the healer needs mana and hangs back to drink. I stay with the healer because, well, they support the group and their mana is priority lol. Then the healer and I see that the tank is taking damage and we're both like wtf? The healer is like "Don't run off when I'm not there and need mana!" and the tank said something along the lines of "I thought you were behind me." We get there and dps the group down and do okay. The next boss is a pain because of all those stupid crocodile adds. It got ME every time! I was so mad. I was like AHOMG FD! but then saw they want right for the healer so I sent my pet in and was like my bad. I ended up taking as much damage as I could before I would get overwhelmed and then ran towards the DK and stood in his AoE before I would FD and it went better. I damn near died from all those croc babies nomming me but again we moved on.

We hug the wall to get to the next boss (that market area) and kill adds we aggro along the way. We get to Barim and the tank just GOES. I was going to double check that I knew what I was doing but at that point it didn't matter, really. I start dps'ing the boss and the next thing I know, the tank has somehow "phased out". I must have hit him right after that because the boss aggro bar thing turned yellow and said I had 80% aggro and he was like BOOM. I died in like 2 hits. The healer apologizes and I just say it's okay, things happen and I may have been in the wrong spot, whatever. Then everyone phases and they start the next part of the fight. I'm just sitting there waiting for them to be done so I can rez... but they were in there for like 5 minutes and everyone is taking damage and the healer is losing mana FAST. The rogue asks the tank if he's ever DONE this boss before and he claimed to have done it before. Eventually the healer runs out of mana and it's a wipe.

Everyone ports back in and is grumpy from the wipe. We run back towards the boss when someone (I honestly don't know WHO but it wasn't the healer or myself) aggros a group of mobs and the tank quickly dies. I'm assuming the rogue vanished... but anyway the tank dies and the mobs see me and go crazy, kick my ass and then go after the healer... the healer then leaves and I leave. There's no way we would be able to do the last boss.

Sorry for the wall o' text. I just got all flustered and frustrated in that run!

[Kalliope]

Running to the tank with the baby crocs is generally the right thing to do, though I can completely understand not wanting to with the guy having been dodgy up to that point to begin with. At least you know for the future!

I can't figure out what would have caused the tank to "phase" on Barim, which would give you aggro. It's hard to tell without being there, but if you didn't actually pull aggro and just had Plague of Ages put on you (which would have caused the boss to target you briefly), you could have died to that and/or one of the beams of light that the guy sometimes casts. If it was the beam, then it's your fault for not moving out (but I doubt this very highly, because you probably would have noticed that happening). If it was the plague, it was probably a combination of the healer not dispelling it and the tank being an idiot and taking too much damage so the healer was unable to heal/dispel you.

[Miraga]

I can't figure out what would have caused the tank to "phase" on Barim, which would give you aggro. It's hard to tell without being there, but if you didn't actually pull aggro and just had Plague of Ages put on you (which would have caused the boss to target you briefly), you could have died to that and/or one of the beams of light that the guy sometimes casts. If it was the beam, then it's your fault for not moving out (but I doubt this very highly, because you probably would have noticed that happening). If it was the plague, it was probably a combination of the healer not dispelling it and the tank being an idiot and taking too much damage so the healer was unable to heal/dispel you.

I know it wasn't the light because I definitely didn't see it! It might have just been it wasn't dispelled because the tank was at like 1/4 health. I was bummed that I died but crappy tank > DPS, really. X] I wasn't too concerned. I was mostly just left there wondering why I was dead. I guess that's why the healer apologized to me. I think we would have been able to pull it off if I had been alive and could kite things but, oh well. I will definitely remember this for next time.

[Kalliope]

I can't figure out what would have caused the tank to "phase" on Barim, which would give you aggro. It's hard to tell without being there, but if you didn't actually pull aggro and just had Plague of Ages put on you (which would have caused the boss to target you briefly), you could have died to that and/or one of the beams of light that the guy sometimes casts. If it was the beam, then it's your fault for not moving out (but I doubt this very highly, because you probably would have noticed that happening). If it was the plague, it was probably a combination of the healer not dispelling it and the tank being an idiot and taking too much damage so the healer was unable to heal/dispel you.

I know it wasn't the light because I definitely didn't see it! It might have just been it wasn't dispelled because the tank was at like 1/4 health. I was bummed that I died but crappy tank > DPS, really. X] I wasn't too concerned. I was mostly just left there wondering why I was dead. I guess that's why the healer apologized to me. I think we would have been able to pull it off if I had been alive and could kite things but, oh well. I will definitely remember this for next time.

Yeah, will chalk that one up to the tank not popping cds for the 50 lashes and not kiting. :/ One global would have been enough to save you from the DoT, but if the pally had to spam heals, well...the pally had to spam heals. >_<

But see, that's the sort of situation where it seems like the person most likely at fault isn't even directly involved with the death, so it makes everyone else look bad instead. I love puzzling this sort of thing out because it's not the most immediately obvious cause of a wipe. It's the sort of thing that many pugs can't figure out because they aren't familiar enough with the fight to put the pieces together without seeing everything firsthand. It's taken me years to get to this stage and there are still times that it's all beyond me. It's a useful skill, though; helps with wipe recovery.