BOA mounts

[Danielfboone]

Having mounts be BOA is fine but in my opinion, an alt who has not yet progressed to a certain level of the game should not be able to use the mounts that come from the higher level until they get there. For instance, a toon still doing BC content should not be able to use a mount that was added during WOTLK, Cata, or MoP.

[Castile]

Mmm I'll prob disagree just on the fact I like to theme certain mounts with my alts and they use alot of mounts they probably shouldn't have hehe! But theres some merit to that point.

I do find having to do the cloud serpent rep over and over a pain in the bum even though we have the rep boosts (so I really shouldn't whinge) but I just wanna ride my pretties damnit!!

[Makoes]

I feel that if -I- the person behind the computer screen have gone through all the troubles of obtaining the mount, then it should not matter which toon I am using because -I- have already done the work for it, and shouldn't be slighted because I am playing a different character. Cloud serpent rep is very annoying after 5 lv 90's...should just auto get it on toons after receiving that damn 5 toon achievement. imo.

[Danielfboone]

But wouldn't riding a Cloud Serpent in Outland or Northrend just be wrong? I'm just saying that a toon shouldn't be able to use a mount from a higher level of the game like an expansion until they have reached that level. Then they would gain access to it. I would even expand the restriction to mounts bought in the store.

It's using a mount from an area you haven't even discovered yet. Like a Talbuk in Vanilla or a Proto-Drake in Outland. Or the Imperial Quilen and Yaks before Pandaria is even discovered. It just doesn't seem right.

[Sukurachi]

"it just doesn't seem right" to you.
to others, it's fine.

really, this borders on telling other people how to play the game.

I appreciate not having to grind certain reputations on alts.
I have certain mounts that are high level, which I don't USE on high level toons (like certain ground mounts), but which are nice for lower-level toons that don't have flight yet.

So why should a mount, one that isn't going to get used anyway, be wasted by not allowing lower-level alts use it?

So in the end, simply don't use the mounts you don't want to use. If you don't feel that your lower-level alts should have access to certain mounts, then don't use them.

This is equivalent to saying "there shouldn't be heirloom pieces" since the low-level alt didn't work to get it.

I look at it this way: my highest-level toon worked his butt off to get a certain mount. That mount is now in the "family stable", meaning that other toons in the "family" can use them. my toons are all related. what one works for, profits the others.

If someone wants their toons to be "independent", entirely unrelated, then they are free to play in that manner. But then no heirlooms, no BoE blues and purples that dropped from dungeons on other alts. Even battlepets would have to be calculated as unique to each one.

I have 30 toons on the same server. that's 10 toons on three different accounts. two of my accounts were "linked" to the same Battle.net, sadly, the third couldn't be. So I still have to grind rep on two different accounts when I want toons to have the same prizes. If I had to do it 30 times, I simply wouldn't play WoW.

[Boven]

Can you even ride a cloud serpent without having gotten the riding skill via exalted reputation? I'm not keen on the serpent mount models so I dont think I've ever tried on my lower level characters. Maybe you can with that big gold Blizz store one.

From an RP aspect, I could justify my lower level characters having yak mounts and such as being the result of one of my higher level characters having had them 'imported' from Pandaria as gifts. Or perhaps some enterprising Goblins shipped some over to sell.

As someone who came from the days when you had to get exalted with another city (assuming you could ride that race's mounts) by turning in tons of runecloth, I was more than happy when mounts became account-wide.

[Lisaara]

Can you even ride a cloud serpent without having gotten the riding skill via exalted reputation? I'm not keen on the serpent mount models so I dont think I've ever tried on my lower level characters. Maybe you can with that big gold Blizz store one.

From an RP aspect, I could justify my lower level characters having yak mounts and such as being the result of one of my higher level characters having had them 'imported' from Pandaria as gifts. Or perhaps some enterprising Goblins shipped some over to sell.

As someone who came from the days when you had to get exalted with another city (assuming you could ride that race's mounts) by turning in tons of runecloth, I was more than happy when mounts became account-wide.

You can't ride cloud serpents til you get exalted with the faction first.

[Castile]

As someone who came from the days when you had to get exalted with another city (assuming you could ride that race's mounts) by turning in tons of runecloth, I was more than happy when mounts became account-wide.

Omg soooo much this lol!! Back in vanilla I got a nightsaber for my human and it was the shiz! It took soooo much runecloth and quests (i think quests gave rep then?) and i was so proud to be one of the only humans on a kitty in IF then! Also got flashbacks to the Winterspring saber grind i did when every SINGLE turn in was 75rep all the way to exhalted....but dem feels of riding it in AV was priceless

But yeah the thought of doing some of those again makes me shiver!

I'll add grinding dust for the war talbuk, another 4 freakin years for a Fiery Warhorse, acheivement mounts and the list goes on!

[Lisaara]

As someone who came from the days when you had to get exalted with another city (assuming you could ride that race's mounts) by turning in tons of runecloth, I was more than happy when mounts became account-wide.

Omg soooo much this lol!! Back in vanilla I got a nightsaber for my human and it was the shiz! It took soooo much runecloth and quests (i think quests gave rep then?) and i was so proud to be one of the only humans on a kitty in IF then! Also got flashbacks to the Winterspring saber grind i did when every SINGLE turn in was 75rep all the way to exhalted....but dem feels of riding it in AV was priceless

But yeah the thought of doing some of those again makes me shiver!

I'll add grinding dust for the war talbuk, another 4 freakin years for a Fiery Warhorse, acheivement mounts and the list goes on!

Shall I haunt you with the Netherwing grind too? x3

[Boven]

As someone who came from the days when you had to get exalted with another city (assuming you could ride that race's mounts) by turning in tons of runecloth, I was more than happy when mounts became account-wide.

Omg soooo much this lol!! Back in vanilla I got a nightsaber for my human and it was the shiz! It took soooo much runecloth and quests (i think quests gave rep then?) and i was so proud to be one of the only humans on a kitty in IF then! Also got flashbacks to the Winterspring saber grind i did when every SINGLE turn in was 75rep all the way to exhalted....but dem feels of riding it in AV was priceless

But yeah the thought of doing some of those again makes me shiver!

I'll add grinding dust for the war talbuk, another 4 freakin years for a Fiery Warhorse, acheivement mounts and the list goes on!

I only played Tauren back in those days and getting a wolf mount (when they became available to Tauren) made it a heck of a lot easier to ride into Undercity. You couldn't get through the doors on a kodo. Orgrimmar wolves and Frostwolf mounts from AV were the only mounts cow-folk could ride through most doorways and arches.

[Danielfboone]

You would still have the mounts but not be able to use them until you reach the content they come from. You wouldn't have to do the work (with the exception of Cloud Serpents) over again. I will agree that some mounts were too difficult to get but they have fixed a lot of that.

I'm not telling people how to play at all. If anything, I'm telling Blizzard how the game should work. We shouldn't even have the choice to make in my opinion. Being able to ride a Dragon Turtle through Outland is just ridiculous but as soon as you discover Pandaria you should be able to use it. The game should be more realistic in some aspects. Thinking of higher level mounts as gifts from another toon doesn't make much sense either, especially if the toons are of different factions. An alt should not be just alternate in character, they should also be in a different time line having yet to discover the new areas. Ideally, they also shouldn't see the ravages to Azeroth due to the Cataclysm until it happens for them but I realize that would be too hard to implement. Why even make an alt go to Outland or Northrend if he's in the same timeline and starting out after Illidan and Arthas have already been defeated? Consistency is the problem here.

As far as heirlooms go, I am on record as believing they are one of the biggest mistakes Blizzard has ever made and I have told them so. They make leveling an alt too easy and too fast. You wind up outleveling an area before you have seen all of it's content and you just overpower everything. It's no fun for me to be overpowered and not look forward to gear upgrades through quest rewards. You get a reward or even sometimes a random drop and they are always downgrades. It's disappointing. I have stopped using Heirlooms on alts. I'm not an altaholic though and after almost 8 years of playing have never had more than one max level toon at a time. I don't have the time for more and honestly, don't see the need. To this day, I have never played a Tank or a Healer or an Orc of any class.

[peanutbuttercup]

As far as heirlooms go, I am on record as believing they are one of the biggest mistakes Blizzard has ever made and I have told them so. They make leveling an alt too easy and too fast. You wind up outleveling an area before you have seen all of it's content and you just overpower everything. It's no fun for me to be overpowered and not look forward to gear upgrades through quest rewards. You get a reward or even sometimes a random drop and they are always downgrades. It's disappointing. I have stopped using Heirlooms on alts. I'm not an altaholic though and after almost 8 years of playing have never had more than one max level toon at a time. I don't have the time for more and honestly, don't see the need. To this day, I have never played a Tank or a Healer or an Orc of any class.

I think heirlooms are fantastic. I am not an altoholic either (the only toons I have at max level are my main and 2 alts for trade skills) but if it weren't for heirlooms I don't know if I would have managed to level those alts because I really don't want to grind through the same content over and over. Also heirloom gear has no repair costs, so even though it's not much it's good to save a little gold.

[Sukurachi]

I'm not telling people how to play at all. If anything, I'm telling Blizzard how the game should work.

which comes out to telling other people how they should play.
who are you to tell Blizzard how their game "should be"?
and why should your opinion of how the game "should be" affect others?

We shouldn't even have the choice to make in my opinion.

and we don't. Blizzard has made the choice for us.
I'm glad you're not the show runner. I wouldn't be playing the game if it was the way you want it to be.

While you're at it, why not make death permanent? I mean, it isn't particularly realistic or logical that we can die then come back to life, is it?

There are so many choices of direction that the game-makers could have gone, yet didn't. They have to select options that will keep the game enjoyable for ALL of their player base, not just the extremists.

So again, as I said, if you don't enjoy using high-level mounts on lower-level alts, then by all means, Blizzard has made it entirely possible for you to do so. please feel free to play the game as you see fit.

But don't tell others how they should play the game, or have the temerity to tell the game-designers that they are wrong in wanting to please the larger segment of their clientele.

[Castile]

I'm not telling people how to play at all. If anything, I'm telling Blizzard how the game should work. We shouldn't even have the choice to make in my opinion.

Mmm see this is where I disagree. You are telling ppl how to play by not giving them an option. If you don't want to ride a dragon turtle in outland than thats cool, you don't have to! But by not giving others the freedom of choice you're telling them "this is how you play, too bad".

See RPer's choose to use certain mounts on certain alts and by taking that away you're limiting how those ppl play. I think by allowing ppl the chocie of how they play be it with hard to get mounts or heirlooms to speed the process up (these are a godsend esp if you switch mains and need to get to max lvl quickely) but again no one is forcing the choice upon you. So if you hate them, don't use them.

I think the whole point of an open world game like WoW is that you choose how to play, it shouldn't be dictated to you.

[Danielfboone]

I'm not telling people how to play at all. If anything, I'm telling Blizzard how the game should work.

which comes out to telling other people how they should play.
who are you to tell Blizzard how their game "should be"?
and why should your opinion of how the game "should be" affect others?

We shouldn't even have the choice to make in my opinion.

and we don't. Blizzard has made the choice for us.
I'm glad you're not the show runner. I wouldn't be playing the game if it was the way you want it to be.

While you're at it, why not make death permanent? I mean, it isn't particularly realistic or logical that we can die then come back to life, is it?

There are so many choices of direction that the game-makers could have gone, yet didn't. They have to select options that will keep the game enjoyable for ALL of their player base, not just the extremists.

So again, as I said, if you don't enjoy using high-level mounts on lower-level alts, then by all means, Blizzard has made it entirely possible for you to do so. please feel free to play the game as you see fit.

But don't tell others how they should play the game, or have the temerity to tell the game-designers that they are wrong in wanting to please the larger segment of their clientele.

I repeat, it is not telling others how to play and there is no more temerity involved than with giving other feedback, good or bad. When it comes to that, how do you presume to speak for the larger portion of the playerbase? If things were as I propose and always had been, I doubt if there would be much clamoring to change it to how it is now. People would accept it and go on playing under that framework. You can't miss what you never had.

It also has nothing to do with extremism. If you want to use your mounts everywhere on any toon, go ahead. I'm just saying it shouldn't be an option just as I would say that Arenas and Heirlooms shouldn't have ever been added.

The way you play any game is always dictated to you in the most part.

[Chimera]

But...... if you're saying we won't miss what we didn't have, yet we have exactly what the first post is saying we shouldn't, how does that work? o.O

[Sukurachi]

The way you play any game is always dictated to you in the most part.

What you don't seem to understand is: "yes, but not by you."


The issue here is that it doesn't sound like you're saying "I miss how the game was before, I'd have preferred it if..."

It sounds more like you're saying "This is wrong! You people should be playing the game the way *I* think it should be."

The former is simply stating your preference, to which others can express counter-opinions.
The latter, quite honestly, sounds like you're dictating to us and telling us that we are wrong if we dare disagree with you.

It's a little like the people who go around expressing their opinions about movies in terms of black and white, what they liked, and what they did not. And then imposing that view on others: "I hated this movie, it was crap. You're an idiot for liking it. You're wrong. It's the worst movie ever made."

In this case, you think the game should be the way you stated?
Well, I think you're wrong. And I believe that the vast majority of the player base would disagree with you as well. And in case you're wondering, yes, I've been playing since vanilla WoW.

[Danielfboone]

The way you play any game is always dictated to you in the most part.

What you don't seem to understand is: "yes, but not by you."


The issue here is that it doesn't sound like you're saying "I miss how the game was before, I'd have preferred it if..."

It sounds more like you're saying "This is wrong! You people should be playing the game the way *I* think it should be."

The former is simply stating your preference, to which others can express counter-opinions.
The latter, quite honestly, sounds like you're dictating to us and telling us that we are wrong if we dare disagree with you.

It's a little like the people who go around expressing their opinions about movies in terms of black and white, what they liked, and what they did not. And then imposing that view on others: "I hated this movie, it was crap. You're an idiot for liking it. You're wrong. It's the worst movie ever made."

In this case, you think the game should be the way you stated?
Well, I think you're wrong. And I believe that the vast majority of the player base would disagree with you as well. And in case you're wondering, yes, I've been playing since vanilla WoW.

That's strictly your interpretation of the post. The wrong one by the way. Actually both are wrong. I'm not saying the game should be completely like it was before with no mounts being BOA. I clearly said that making them BOA was fine. It's only when you are able to use them that I have issues with.

The former is simply stating your preference, to which others can express counter-opinions.
The latter, quite honestly, sounds like you're dictating to us and telling us that we are wrong if we dare disagree with you.

I fail to see how you come to this conclusion when the whole post is clearly just stating an opinion, nothing more.

[Sukurachi]

That's strictly your interpretation of the post. The wrong one by the way. Actually both are wrong. I'm not saying the game should be completely like it was before with no mounts being BOA. I clearly said that making them BOA was fine. It's only when you are able to use them that I have issues with.

I fail to see how you come to this conclusion when the whole post is clearly just stating an opinion, nothing more.

Whether you have issues with it or not is entirely irrelevant.

YOU are free to play the way you want to play. At this point in time, YOU are free to NOT use the mounts you have on any alts if that is what YOU wish to do.

Saying that the game should be changed to fit YOUR way of wanting to play, IS imposing YOUR rules on other people.

Right now, you are free to play as you want. And others are free to ignore the way you play, and play the way that suits them.
If the game were changed to suit your requirements, then others would NOT be free to play the way they want to. What is it about that that you aren't understanding?

You may be stating an opinion by saying "it should be the way I want it", but in so doing you are also denying others the right to their opinion.

There are perfectly fine in-game justifications for allowing alts to enjoy the use of mounts from higher-level zones.

You are entirely free to play the way you want, but there is no "it should be" in this regard. By saying that, you are in effect telling everyone who disagrees with you that they are wrong.

I loved this movie. Anyone who didn't is wrong, they should love this movie also, because I loved it.

That might be "stating an opinion", but it's also telling people that they are "wrong", which is MORE than an opinion: it's a judgement.

I think you're the one who's wrong. Why? Because you can already play exactly the way you want to play. How exactly does stopping others from playing the way that makes them happy make things better? It doesn't. Ergo, you are in error.

I will cut out from this "discussion", as I am not particularly fond of brick walls.

[Makoes]

WoW is all about having choices, I don't see much in the way of feeling like I am being dictated on how I play. there are at least 5 main ways to level (gathering prof exp, quests, LFD, PVP, killing random stuff) and any combination in between, and outwards.
In regards to mounts and which can be used when, well there still are a few restrictions, but for the most part it is entirely up to each individual person how they choose to use their mounts. Some who have done the grinding and work to obtain mounts like to use them on any toon, others only on certain toons, some people like to only use certain mounts after they feel like that particular character has earned the right to that mount (leveling, rep, zones, progression, RP, etc). There is a high amount of choice given to players on how they choose to play, in an MMORPG choice is very important to people.

If one person doesn't think its right to use a particular mount until a certain goal is reached, they have the choice to not use the mount until then. If another person has access to a mount and chooses to use it without restriction, that is their choice.

It is up to the individual player to choose how they want to play the game.

I believe that people have the right to play the way they want, but I also believe that people do not have a right to dictate to others how to play the game. (of course if a person is playing with malicious intent towards others and actively seeks to cause misery, grief and go against the ToS, then some restrictions may apply to the above)