Karabor and Bladespire will not be the faction hubs/cities

[Qraljar]

https://twitter.com/mumper/status/482381728393072641

@Vigilate_MW Nope, the faction hubs for Alliance and Horde will be on the outskirts of Ashran.

Very sobering and disappointing news to me. Not only do we lose Karabor and Bladespire, two huge, magnificent fortresses, but they are also replaced by two dingy little outposts on either side of an island in the middle of nowhere, composed of reused Garrison doodads and models. While it isn't ugly, it isn't city material, and certainly not a valid replacement for what we had.



Here are said "shacks".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqR4CqTgMow


At around 1 minute is the Alliance shack, now apparently the mainfaction hub for the entirety of WoD, and at around 6 minutes, the Horde one.


Opinions?

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GG Blizz lol

[Xella]

They may still update them but ugh, really not happy about that. Not to beat a dead horse but I guess that means garrisons really WILL be your major focus, because (especially without flying, hence the dead horse) Ashran is so inconveniently placed, there's no way it'll be worth it.

And being that close to a PvP zone means you KNOW that on servers where there's actively hostile faction relations, you'll never ever see the flight path guy alive, making it even more of a pain in the butt to get off of.

Not that being in shadowmoon valley if there's a raid in, say, Gorgrond will be any better, but ugh. Ugh ugh ugh. At least your garrison has a portal to stormwind/orgrimmar (as of right now)

[Xota]

Dalaran was unbearable during the first part of LK because it was too densely populated. A small basecamp in Ashran could have the same problem. We get horde storming Shrine not infrequently on my server, including a 25 boxer. I am extremely skeptical about the "no forced pvp in Ashran base" claim.

If they want to give the Ashran bases city chat and a couple of the other city amenities, that's ok. But at the cost of Karabor as a faction hub, boo.

[Boven]

Dalaran was unbearable during the first part of LK because it was too densely populated. A small basecamp in Ashran could have the same problem. We get horde storming Shrine not infrequently on my server, including a 25 boxer. I am extremely skeptical about the "no forced pvp in Ashran base" claim.

If they want to give the Ashran bases city chat and a couple of the other city amenities, that's ok. But at the cost of Karabor as a faction hub, boo.

Yeah. I can easily see groups from Ashran deciding to storm into the other faction's base. Of course, Ashran is supposed to be multi-server, so perhaps only people from a particular server could get into the other base. Still, I can see it as being a real nuisance, especially as the expansion progresses and people get geared.

It just seems weird that 'encouraging world pvp' means dumping two cities they've been working on for a while and making a couple scraggly outposts the new 'capitals.' While I do like to PvP, I'm primarily a PvE'er. I'm not at all keen on one suffering just to promote the other.

[Slickrock]

On the flip side, the small camps as faction hubs fit a bit more with the story. I always though it a bit odd as to how we took over the two temples in the Vale, pretty much wrecking them.

Two large places could be annoying as faction hubs as well, Karabor at least looked bigger than Ironforge. Imagine riding (or walking) all around there trying to find the damn enchant mats vendor?

Finally.. I wonder if part of the reason is for the content to come in later patches? I wonder if both those cities get nuked by the Legion at some point, so using them as hubs would be a problem?

[Lisaara]

Not happy at all. I want Karabor D: Also judging by the comments, most aren't happy about it either. Why is there pvp being shoved down our throats AGAIN when both factions aren't at war with one another anymore for the time being?

[Lupis]

Hmmm. Not terribly pleased about this either, I've been disappointed in the hubs recently. Shrine was tiny- and while I understand they wanted to push the use of old main cities, it made using AH really inconvenient. I've been aching for another big, sprawling, involved city. Getting just- camps- is kind of sad.

Draenor has powerful empires in it, it's disappointing to not be able to live in those cities.

[cowmuflage]

It does kind of fit the style of story more then having a giant ass city. *shrug* I dunno the whole exploring new land thing fits what we are getting more then having a city I guess.

[PorrasouxRex]

This is how much Blizzard cares about the community.

https://twitter.com/holinka/status/482582355849142272

I'm going to sick every meat-eating beast I have in my stables and devour him.

[Torachi]

[headdesk] Oh boy, just what I look forward to... More PvP! I've already nearly given up my poor Mistweaver on several occasions because he randomly got flagged, and then massacred for no particular reason. Especially on Timeless Isle. At the very least, I refuse to heal Celestials anymore. -.-

The fact that Ashran is rather out of the way of everything else is an annoyance, but I could deal with it if it weren't these dingy little outposts, where you know people are going to be jerks and cause problems for people who just want to enjoy the expansion.

[Qraljar]

So apparently..




is a thing now.

[Lisaara]

This is how much Blizzard cares about the community.

https://twitter.com/holinka/status/482582355849142272

I'm going to sick every meat-eating beast I have in my stables and devour him.

Hotlinka has always been a horrible dev. They're one of the devs that try to shove pvp down our throats.

[Lisaara]

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/154 ... pital-hubs

Lots of negativity about it on MMO Champ

[Iowawolf]

I posted this on the forums when I found out about this...

I hope all of those who want this change to happen have a grand time being ganked into the ground while the rest of us will either be unsubbed by then or enjoying our flying and non forced pvp in the other expansions also we will be having fun with our spells and such not dumbed down for a five year old. I for one will be with the ones still playing but not anywhere near WOD.

So we as the player base must stand up and show then with our wallets enough is enough we are not taking this anymore true I will still play just be 90 forever and I am happy with it because it beats getting ganked all the time or having the questers ganked all the time or any of this crap. Join the rebellion and stand up for this game as players other wise WOD will truly be...WOWs Own Death...

[cowmuflage]

I posted this on the forums when I found out about this...

I hope all of those who want this change to happen have a grand time being ganked into the ground while the rest of us will either be unsubbed by then or enjoying our flying and non forced pvp in the other expansions also we will be having fun with our spells and such not dumbed down for a five year old. I for one will be with the ones still playing but not anywhere near WOD.

So we as the player base must stand up and show then with our wallets enough is enough we are not taking this anymore true I will still play just be 90 forever and I am happy with it because it beats getting ganked all the time or having the questers ganked all the time or any of this crap. Join the rebellion and stand up for this game as players other wise WOD will truly be...WOWs Own Death...

it's not really talking with your wallet if you are still playing. You are still paying them. If you really want to do that then you'd stop playing and paying them.

[Lisaara]

I posted this on the forums when I found out about this...

I hope all of those who want this change to happen have a grand time being ganked into the ground while the rest of us will either be unsubbed by then or enjoying our flying and non forced pvp in the other expansions also we will be having fun with our spells and such not dumbed down for a five year old. I for one will be with the ones still playing but not anywhere near WOD.

So we as the player base must stand up and show then with our wallets enough is enough we are not taking this anymore true I will still play just be 90 forever and I am happy with it because it beats getting ganked all the time or having the questers ganked all the time or any of this crap. Join the rebellion and stand up for this game as players other wise WOD will truly be...WOWs Own Death...

it's not really talking with your wallet if you are still playing. You are still paying them. If you really want to do that then you'd stop playing and paying them.

Yeah. Still playing defeats your entire purpose.....and I think that was way too dramatic. You're supposed to be presenting an argument as to why you don't like the change, not trying to rally a mob. Mobs never work.

[Shinryu Masaki]

You're supposed to be presenting an argument as to why you don't like the change, not trying to rally a mob. Mobs never work.

It only works if you're all murlocs though.

[Wain]

I actually suspect their main reason is wanting to keep the capitals in the same area and level of content so as not have to double up on the level 100 starter content / dailies by having to offer it in two different places.

As long as the faction hub isn't actually in PvP territory, which it is not, I can't say I care much how pretty it is. Nor do I see how it'd be much of a deal breaker since the building itself encompasses a minuscule proportion of actual game play. On top of that, this decision sounds recent and I'll be interested to see what the hubs look like by the time the game goes live, it's entirely possible they'll be very different to what was placed there before they made the decision.

[Lisaara]

You're supposed to be presenting an argument as to why you don't like the change, not trying to rally a mob. Mobs never work.

It only works if you're all murlocs though.

*snort* Well I can't refute that logic!