Haha! Catacylsm 85 -PET- vs lvl 85 paladin!

[Qraljar]

Camouflage nerf ftl. All the whine is making me wanna quit this game. Mages qqing about VOLLEY. Rogues and Druids about Camouflage probably and Pallies about Kill Command. Seems we are merely supposed to be some kind of flavor class >____________>

Seriously Blizz, way to cave in to the wall of QQ

Ah-well Warlocks. Atleast we will have a big feckin' Buru-like brainbug walking along with us as if a pet dog.


..Unless Warlocks whine enough to have the abilities of having a pet removed because it is too OP to have a pet..

..

[Kalliope]

We lost Volley due to mage QQ. "The hunters are beating us on AOE!!"

Pretty sure multishot is closer to the rogue AoE mechanic...and we're essentially ranged rogues now. This one's not a nerf, only in the lack of another PvP tool sense. We'll be fine in PvE; we just can't afk between volleys anymore.

Was camo actually nerfed? That sounded to me like either a tooltip change or a bug fix.

[Slickrock]

Camouflage nerf ftl. All the whine is making me wanna quit this game. Mages qqing about VOLLEY. Rogues and Druids about Camouflage probably and Pallies about Kill Command. Seems we are merely supposed to be some kind of flavor class

Yep.

Camouflage is basically useless now for PVP, unless you are fighting another hunter. Everyone else will just charge you, and stay in melee range. Combined with the nerf to Sting, we've lost most of our counters to rogues. (Can't jump away if you are chain-stunlocked)

The only thing Camouflage will be good for is sneaking past mobs while leveling.

(2 months left on my sub.. shoulda only done it for a month)

We lost Volley due to mage QQ. "The hunters are beating us on AOE!!"

Pretty sure multishot is closer to the rogue AoE mechanic...and we're essentially ranged rogues now. This one's not a nerf, only in the lack of another PvP tool sense. We'll be fine in PvE; we just can't afk between volleys anymore.

Was camo actually nerfed? That sounded to me like either a tooltip change or a bug fix.

Damage from MS is still way lower, and if something is in our face, we can't use it the way we could volley. (I'll admit it was strange to shoot arrows over your head, but it's still a functional nerf.)

It appears that Camo is useless against melee from the change. So if that rogue sneaks up to you, you are dead.

Rogue: "Wow! there's a nameplate over that watery portion of the wall over there, I better go stunlock and poison it."
Warrior: "Wow! there's a nameplate over that watery portion of the wall over there, I better go charge and whirlwind it."

I don't see myself putting a point in Camo anymore.

[Kalliope]

Camouflage nerf ftl. All the whine is making me wanna quit this game. Mages qqing about VOLLEY. Rogues and Druids about Camouflage probably and Pallies about Kill Command. Seems we are merely supposed to be some kind of flavor class

Yep.

Camouflage is basically useless now for PVP, unless you are fighting another hunter. Everyone else will just charge you, and stay in melee range. Combined with the nerf to Sting, we've lost most of our counters to rogues. (Can't jump away if you are chain-stunlocked)

The only thing Camouflage will be good for is sneaking past mobs while leveling.

If our opponents are any good, they should already have been doing this. And you know you can use pet abilities while stunlocked, right? I *love* stunning rogues while they're stunlocking me; I can absolutely mess up their sequence and wreck their major burst. I miss my bat for that. We should have serp sting up on rogues anyway to keep them out of stealth and/or hunter's mark. Cloak of Shadows could remove everything, including sting, regardless; it's really not much different than our other tools.

NOTHING in the listed changes to camo hadn't already been announced; this is how the ability was meant to work from the beginning. If it wasn't, then it was a bug.

Camo and sting = not nerfs.

Damage from MS is still way lower, and if something is in our face, we can't use it the way we could volley. (I'll admit it was strange to shoot arrows over your head, but it's still a functional nerf.)

Are you comparing a full duration volley to a single multishot for comparison? How about a talented multi? And unless I'm mistaken, the range thing was not intentional:

The bug affecting most hunter skills and adding the "old" minimum range on them on beta servers seems to be gone.

I don't see myself putting a point in Camo anymore.

It's baseline.

[Slickrock]

Damage from MS is still way lower, and if something is in our face, we can't use it the way we could volley. (I'll admit it was strange to shoot arrows over your head, but it's still a functional nerf.)

Are you comparing a full duration volley to a single multishot for comparison? How about a talented multi? And unless I'm mistaken, the range thing was not intentional:

The bug affecting most hunter skills and adding the "old" minimum range on them on beta servers seems to be gone.

I don't see myself putting a point in Camo anymore.

It's baseline.

From the numbers I saw for BM, MS is much lower, since we can't talent for it. (MM doesn't have that problem). But I'll admit I need to look at the latest calculator on MMO-Champ to see if it's possible or worthwhile for BM.

We still can't MS in melee range, which we should be able to.

Didn't realize Camo was baseline. Still, I don't see much use for it now, except when leveling, and it's even less useful for that now. Perhaps if you are an expert PVPer you can still you use it, but for a BG grinder like myself, not so much.

[Nakari]

We lost Volley due to mage QQ. "The hunters are beating us on AOE!!"

In case you haven't noticed, mage AoE was severly nerfed as well, as were virtually all other AoE spells including things like DK's Pestilence, ret's Divine Storm or warrior's Whirlwind. Hunters have a more than adequate AoE with Multi-Shot, and while I'm not happy about the removal of Volley myself, I can understand Blizzard's reasoning for the removal.

No, no we wont be. We'll be bottom tier of hunters (and dps in general) because Blizz is making us a buffing class.

That's just unfounded QQ. Blizzard has stated several times there won't be buffing classes in WoW (they tried that in vanilla with shamans and paladins and failed), so I can't really grasp where you get that idea from. Beta is there for testing things, and BM's damage was clearly overpowered, so they nerfed it - perhaps by too much, but that's where player-testing comes in.

[Slickrock]

We lost Volley due to mage QQ. "The hunters are beating us on AOE!!"

.... I can understand Blizzard's reasoning for the removal.

No, no we wont be. We'll be bottom tier of hunters (and dps in general) because Blizz is making us a buffing class.

... and BM's damage was clearly overpowered, so they nerfed it - perhaps by too much, but that's where player-testing comes in.

I'll agree that MS "fits" hunters better according to Blizz's explanation with it's "shotgun" type effect. But we've lost utility in the process besides damage, and GC was clear he doesn't care about the utility loss, as that utility was "not intended". But I saw a lot of mage glee when Volley was removed.

Well, I hope the Beta testers are loud in showing that KC isn't worth casting compared to an Arcane spam. But Blizz might be ok with that.

[Knobhead]

Well, I hope the Beta testers are loud in showing that KC isn't worth casting compared to an Arcane spam. But Blizz might be ok with that.

As long as the feedback is provided in a constructive, productive manner with empirical data, Blizzard will consider it. Throwing around tantrums and claiming the sky has fallen and that the hunter class is broken beyond repair due to whines from other classes will just get the post binned into the "kook" category.

[Kalliope]

Didn't realize Camo was baseline. Still, I don't see much use for it now, except when leveling, and it's even less useful for that now. Perhaps if you are an expert PVPer you can still you use it, but for a BG grinder like myself, not so much.

It's the level 85 ability. And that just sounds like general QQ at not wanting to learn how to use an ability better. I'm not a PvP expert, but I do try to learn from people who are pretty good at it. And if I can, anyone can do it; it just takes practice.

[Silvarain]

Rogue: "Wow! there's a nameplate over that watery portion of the wall over there, I better go stunlock and poison it."
Warrior: "Wow! there's a nameplate over that watery portion of the wall over there, I better go charge and whirlwind it."

LOL i laughed so hard reading this ^_^

[Slickrock]

Didn't realize Camo was baseline. Still, I don't see much use for it now, except when leveling, and it's even less useful for that now. Perhaps if you are an expert PVPer you can still you use it, but for a BG grinder like myself, not so much.

It's the level 85 ability. And that just sounds like general QQ at not wanting to learn how to use an ability better. I'm not a PvP expert, but I do try to learn from people who are pretty good at it. And if I can, anyone can do it; it just takes practice.

I see it as more of an arena talent now.

It still could be useful for camping pathways in BGs like rogues do now.

[Kalliope]

Didn't realize Camo was baseline. Still, I don't see much use for it now, except when leveling, and it's even less useful for that now. Perhaps if you are an expert PVPer you can still you use it, but for a BG grinder like myself, not so much.

It's the level 85 ability. And that just sounds like general QQ at not wanting to learn how to use an ability better. I'm not a PvP expert, but I do try to learn from people who are pretty good at it. And if I can, anyone can do it; it just takes practice.

I see it as more of an arena talent now.

It still could be useful for camping pathways in BGs like rogues do now.

It's all in the setup. If you're trying to use it in the open, it's probably not going to work too well. But yeah, these are two much more contained examples. ^_^

[Adam-Savage]

Sigh.

MMO champion reports today that Kill Command damage to be nerfed...

Uh yah..a 20k crit @ lvl 80 is to much.

[Adam-Savage]

Ret pallies are VERY VERY unhappy that they actually have to build up their attacks; they can't just 1-2-3 people anymore. This had led to much hilarity. I consider this payback for how friggin' overpowered they were in 3.0.

Seriously, though, the pally is standing there eating the damage from the pet. Resilience does jack at this stage. He isn't even attempting to kite the pet or, y'know, BUBBLE to avoid big red. It's a DPS PET, not a PvP one. I agree that this is a put-up-job. I call bs.

I noticed he made no attempt to heal himself either from what I saw.

[Saturo]

Ret pallies are VERY VERY unhappy that they actually have to build up their attacks; they can't just 1-2-3 people anymore. This had led to much hilarity. I consider this payback for how friggin' overpowered they were in 3.0. :P

Seriously, though, the pally is standing there eating the damage from the pet. Resilience does jack at this stage. He isn't even attempting to kite the pet or, y'know, BUBBLE to avoid big red. It's a DPS PET, not a PvP one. I agree that this is a put-up-job. I call bs.

I noticed he made no attempt to heal himself either from what I saw.

You'd be surprised at how few pallies try to heal themselves.

[Adam-Savage]

The good ret pallys are just a bugger to kill. They laugh at you and it becomes a mana war because they simply wont die.

[Kalliope]

Ret pallies are VERY VERY unhappy that they actually have to build up their attacks; they can't just 1-2-3 people anymore. This had led to much hilarity. I consider this payback for how friggin' overpowered they were in 3.0.

Seriously, though, the pally is standing there eating the damage from the pet. Resilience does jack at this stage. He isn't even attempting to kite the pet or, y'know, BUBBLE to avoid big red. It's a DPS PET, not a PvP one. I agree that this is a put-up-job. I call bs.

I noticed he made no attempt to heal himself either from what I saw.

You'd be surprised at how few pallies try to heal themselves.

QFT.

[Shandorei]

Rogue: "Wow! there's a nameplate over that watery portion of the wall over there, I better go stunlock and poison it."
Warrior: "Wow! there's a nameplate over that watery portion of the wall over there, I better go charge and whirlwind it."

Seriously Blizzard, give us something good just to take away the fun stuff. I mean what the heck is the point with a stealthlike ability if they are to SEE our freaking nameplate?


Ridiculously stupid ability

[Kalliope]

Sorry forum language rules

Rogue: "Wow! there's a nameplate over that watery portion of the wall over there, I better go stunlock and poison it."
Warrior: "Wow! there's a nameplate over that watery portion of the wall over there, I better go charge and whirlwind it."

Seriously fuck off blizzard, give us something good just to take away the fun stuff. I mean what the heck is the point with a stealthlike ability if they are to SEE our freaking nameplate?


Ridiculously stupid ability

The originally quoted post isn't based on facts, it's just more QQ.

Your nameplate doesn't show.

See, look here. AND flare doesn't work on camo.

[Shandorei]

Sorry forum language rules

Rogue: "Wow! there's a nameplate over that watery portion of the wall over there, I better go stunlock and poison it."
Warrior: "Wow! there's a nameplate over that watery portion of the wall over there, I better go charge and whirlwind it."

Seriously fuck off blizzard, give us something good just to take away the fun stuff. I mean what the heck is the point with a stealthlike ability if they are to SEE our freaking nameplate?


Ridiculously stupid ability

The originally quoted post isn't based on facts, it's just more QQ.

Your nameplate doesn't show.

See, look here. AND flare doesn't work on camo.

Ahh, that is delighteful (dno if that even is a word ). You guys, stop scaring me!