Tahlian wrote:It's a BoE epic. The speed and damage more than compensate for any stat bonuses you aren't getting because the ones on Rowan's happen to be designed for warriors. Rowan's Rifle of Silver Bullets is the best weapon, bar none, that a hunter can get prior to ICC 25 weapons, at least for beast mastery. It's relatively easily acquired off the AH as well, given that there's really only one spec of one class that would be given first dibs on that weapon in a raid.
I'm far more likely to mock a hunter for other things than for using a Rowan's.
I never said that it was a bad weapon. I said that it's a tanking weapon. And that's how people who aren't as well informed on this as us will see it.
"lol that hunter has a tanking weapen he must sux"
Sinnu wrote:How big of an impact does the focus discount aspect of BW have? I see people referring to that as such a huge benefit that the loss of damage is barely worth talking about... but I don't see it. All we can do with that extra focus is spam arcane shot, right? Is arcane spam with a +20% bonus really that frightening? I have to think something else will happen to BW. Today it just doesn't seem to be all that compelling a talent.
Yeah.. if the talents as is went live, for PVP i'd skip it in favor of FlyingChimeras.
I dont use guns. I use bows only because I HATE how most of the guns appear and hate the loud noise. Most people usually dont give a crap cause the bow/gun thing is a personal preference and people seem to understand it. My devilsaur, corehound, and Loque'nahak make enough noise. XD
Taluwen wrote:I dont use guns. I use bows only because I HATE how most of the guns appear and hate the loud noise. Most people usually dont give a crap cause the bow/gun thing is a personal preference and people seem to understand it. My devilsaur, corehound, and Loque'nahak make enough noise. XD
Depends on the race. I love guns on dwarfs, they are ok for space-goats. Most of the rest should be using bows.
Taluwen wrote:Guns look fine with dwarves. But any other race, it just looks too funky.
Might look okay on undead and goblins...maybe a worgen.
Guns would look good with gnomes....
Not undead, their arms would fall off from the recoil. Goblins yeah. Worgen?.. only if the guns fit that Goth look, which I doubt most will. Some low-level ones would look good.
Taluwen wrote:Guns look fine with dwarves. But any other race, it just looks too funky.
Might look okay on undead and goblins...maybe a worgen.
Guns would look good with gnomes....
Not undead, their arms would fall off from the recoil. Goblins yeah. Worgen?.. only if the guns fit that Goth look, which I doubt most will. Some low-level ones would look good.
That makes me wanna make an undead hunter with a gun and rp that out....so bad. XD
"*She cocks a gun. BLAM! Her arms fly back into the bushes. She sighed.* Damnit....not again....."
Currently, in the beta, with Beast Mastery back to being questionable in Cataclysm. They better fix Beast Mastery. It's like then, in raids, it's like Exotic pets' Exotic, special ability/abilities are for nothing. I hate that! So sad.
Robot Wars is renewed for 6 episodes! I love some Exotic pets! And I hate spiders for.. "pets"!
Protego wrote:Currently, in the beta, with Beast Mastery back to being questionable in Cataclysm. They better fix Beast Mastery. It's like then, in raids, it's like Exotic pets' Exotic, special ability/abilities are for nothing. I hate that! So sad.
I'm probably gonna get yelled at for this but... From what I have seen in beta so far it's not as bad as it's being made to be. However at the same time I'm still testing it out to see.
Protego wrote:Currently, in the beta, with Beast Mastery back to being questionable in Cataclysm. They better fix Beast Mastery. It's like then, in raids, it's like Exotic pets' Exotic, special ability/abilities are for nothing. I hate that! So sad.
I'm probably gonna get yelled at for this but... From what I have seen in beta so far it's not as bad as it's being made to be. However at the same time I'm still testing it out to see.
I've heard this from some other hunters I've met on Beta. So i think it is being fixed.
Protego wrote:Currently, in the beta, with Beast Mastery back to being questionable in Cataclysm. They better fix Beast Mastery. It's like then, in raids, it's like Exotic pets' Exotic, special ability/abilities are for nothing. I hate that! So sad.
I'm probably gonna get yelled at for this but... From what I have seen in beta so far it's not as bad as it's being made to be. However at the same time I'm still testing it out to see.
I've heard this from some other hunters I've met on Beta. So i think it is being fixed.
Well there is a difference yes but what's on paper and what is actually is in game are not one of the same. I had not messed with my mastery yet either so I'm assuming I will see more of a difference when I logg back in soon now that I have reforged my gear to get more mastery points. It also doesn't help they have disabled the use of add on's at the moment.
It's an ongoing conspiracy from the people who complained so much when BM hunters could defeat the cookie-cutter Arena team that everyone and their mother used. That was the moment when BM was hammered so far into the ground that we couldn't climb back out. They're making sure that we can never have a chance against them ever again.
I have to say, though, in the game itself I've rarely met people who were assholes about me being BM (on Arthas at least, running random PUGs sometimes got me some morons from other servers). Last Monday I was in an ICC 25 guild/PUG run (I'm not in a guild atm, the raid was a guild core and random recruits), and the guildies actually commended me for being a BM hunter (the only one in the raid, natch. Three other hunters were in as well, all with wolves). I think they were surprised at the dps I was doing and how good I was playing. The raging anti-BM stuff seems to be mainly in discussion forums, and we all know half of them are trolls.
Ellaran wrote:It's an ongoing conspiracy from the people who complained so much when BM hunters could defeat the cookie-cutter Arena team that everyone and their mother used. That was the moment when BM was hammered so far into the ground that we couldn't climb back out. They're making sure that we can never have a chance against them ever again.
I have to say, though, in the game itself I've rarely met people who were assholes about me being BM (on Arthas at least, running random PUGs sometimes got me some morons from other servers). Last Monday I was in an ICC 25 guild/PUG run (I'm not in a guild atm, the raid was a guild core and random recruits), and the guildies actually commended me for being a BM hunter (the only one in the raid, natch. Three other hunters were in as well, all with wolves). I think they were surprised at the dps I was doing and how good I was playing. The raging anti-BM stuff seems to be mainly in discussion forums, and we all know half of them are trolls.
Well from what I've noticed so far while I leveled to 81 is that Beastial Wrath is pretty much useless at this point. I didn't notice any difference at all when I used it. They nerfed Beastial Wrath pretty hard. Kill command could use a small boost really. It's ok if your hitting alot harder then you normally do at 80 because when you hit 81 your stats drop pretty quick. I went from 56% crit to 40% at lvl 81.
Something will change with BW. That is the spec defining ability going back to Vanilla. I can't imagine Shadowform being left a button you have to think about pressing, and I can't imagine Blizzard would treat BW any differently. They have said that some buttons we should want to press, and BW should fit that description.
I am pleasantly surprised to hear that the epidemic of rabid anti-BM hunter-hatred may have subsided. Because yes, I am sorry to say, it was real. It was every bit as bad as the worst forum troll claims. Just from my own personal experience during Vanilla WoW:
1 - Forced to respec to join a guild
2 - Spam whispers from a ton of people during and after an AV in which I used BW.
3 - Repeatedly dropped from PuGs... back then if you didn't show Trueshot Aura in your buffs, you didn't group. Period.
4 - On three different occasions I was kicked out of a ZG run mid-run because another dps logged in. My spot went to that person.
5 - On a few occasions, I was forbidden from rolling on a ranged weapon because the "real specs," mainly rogues and warriors, thought it would be a better upgrade for someone else, someone who didn't send the pet and autoshot.
During BC, I would get whispers from people who apparently had nothing better to do than armory random hunters telling me that I was an idiot for not speccing "X". Sadly, some of those whispers came from other BM hunters, since I used (and still use) a non-typical BM spec that includes Aimed Shot.
Finally, I gave up altogether. I did a PuG of Corien Direbrew yesterday. It was the first time in about three years I have managed to complete a single PuG without some jerk telling me how mentally delinquent I am for playing BM. The PuG lasted roughly 40 seconds... I assume the anti-BM mods didn't have time to tip the trolls off in that time frame.
In the last guild raid I did, we had to pick up a couple of puggers to flesh out the 10 man of Naxx. Yes, that long ago. On Heigen, everyone died quickly on the dance except the tank, my wife (the healer) and me. I had to rez my pet 4 times, but over the course of an insanely long fight, we three downed Heigen. Guild first. I was repeatedly mocked by the puggers in raid chat during the fight because I was switching in and out of Viper. The tank and healer were awesome... I was a just some clueless moron who didn't deserve to play the game.
Yes, hunter hate is real. BM hate is real. Perhaps, finally, after darn near 6 years, it is finally slinking away into the shadows, but I doubt it will stay that way for good. I'm cynical, I admit, but it was beaten into me honestly.
Maybe when the patch hits, I'll try a longer (than 40 seconds) PuG or two and see for myself. But I'm not optimistic about the reception I'll get as BM. That's why I alt-specced Marks and finally leveled up my ghost wolf... so I could do a non-guild instance or maybe a raid with puggers without becoming a distraction and a detriment to to the group just by being there.
AdamSavage wrote:Well from what I've noticed so far while I leveled to 81 is that Beastial Wrath is pretty much useless at this point. I didn't notice any difference at all when I used it. They nerfed Beastial Wrath pretty hard. Kill command could use a small boost really. It's ok if your hitting alot harder then you normally do at 80 because when you hit 81 your stats drop pretty quick. I went from 56% crit to 40% at lvl 81.
I have some real concerns here. if MMO Champ is right, 4.0.1 is gonna go live with "overpowered" BM, while it's got problems that you indicate here. That is gonna build up bias against BM while the truth is far different since 4.0.1 numbers won't match what is coming in Cata.
I also have doubts that they will fix BW soon, they tend to be slow to buff once the PTR is set, and they still seem to not know what to do about KC. Even GC admits that.
I expect BM to be gimped for Cata release.
On the crit scaling issue, that's really a different issue, and they are unlikely to fix it since they are balancing around end game gear (which means that if you never get to that level, you might always be gimped or buffed there, but it's something Blizz never was concerned with).
Sinnu wrote:Something will change with BW. That is the spec defining ability going back to Vanilla. I can't imagine Shadowform being left a button you have to think about pressing, and I can't imagine Blizzard would treat BW any differently. They have said that some buttons we should want to press, and BW should fit that description.
I am pleasantly surprised to hear that the epidemic of rabid anti-BM hunter-hatred may have subsided. Because yes, I am sorry to say, it was real. It was every bit as bad as the worst forum troll claims. Just from my own personal experience during Vanilla WoW:
1 - Forced to respec to join a guild
2 - Spam whispers from a ton of people during and after an AV in which I used BW.
3 - Repeatedly dropped from PuGs... back then if you didn't show Trueshot Aura in your buffs, you didn't group. Period.
4 - On three different occasions I was kicked out of a ZG run mid-run because another dps logged in. My spot went to that person.
5 - On a few occasions, I was forbidden from rolling on a ranged weapon because the "real specs," mainly rogues and warriors, thought it would be a better upgrade for someone else, someone who didn't send the pet and autoshot.
During BC, I would get whispers from people who apparently had nothing better to do than armory random hunters telling me that I was an idiot for not speccing "X". Sadly, some of those whispers came from other BM hunters, since I used (and still use) a non-typical BM spec that includes Aimed Shot.
Finally, I gave up altogether. I did a PuG of Corien Direbrew yesterday. It was the first time in about three years I have managed to complete a single PuG without some jerk telling me how mentally delinquent I am for playing BM. The PuG lasted roughly 40 seconds... I assume the anti-BM mods didn't have time to tip the trolls off in that time frame.
In the last guild raid I did, we had to pick up a couple of puggers to flesh out the 10 man of Naxx. Yes, that long ago. On Heigen, everyone died quickly on the dance except the tank, my wife (the healer) and me. I had to rez my pet 4 times, but over the course of an insanely long fight, we three downed Heigen. Guild first. I was repeatedly mocked by the puggers in raid chat during the fight because I was switching in and out of Viper. The tank and healer were awesome... I was a just some clueless moron who didn't deserve to play the game.
Yes, hunter hate is real. BM hate is real. Perhaps, finally, after darn near 6 years, it is finally slinking away into the shadows, but I doubt it will stay that way for good. I'm cynical, I admit, but it was beaten into me honestly.
Maybe when the patch hits, I'll try a longer (than 40 seconds) PuG or two and see for myself. But I'm not optimistic about the reception I'll get as BM. That's why I alt-specced Marks and finally leveled up my ghost wolf... so I could do a non-guild instance or maybe a raid with puggers without becoming a distraction and a detriment to to the group just by being there.
i've NEVER gotten kicked out of a group because I was BM and i'm on the trolliest of all servers(Moon Guard).
I have some real concerns here. if MMO Champ is right, 4.0.1 is gonna go live with "overpowered" BM, while it's got problems that you indicate here. That is gonna build up bias against BM while the truth is far different since 4.0.1 numbers won't match what is coming in Cata.
It is also possible that, since BM numbers (KC in particular) are being problematic but the rest of the 4.0.1 patch is pretty much done, they moved the PTR to 4.0.3, but will update any better BM numbers they have into the 4.0.1 build before they move it to live.
Of course, if the 4.0.1 patch comes out Tuesday (which would be awesome, all things considered), then we might be stuck with overpowered BM, like when 2.0 came out.
The wild card is that massive BW nerf. That says to me that there is something else coming down the pike. Whether it is more number changes or a mechanics tweak... who knows? But I can't see Annoyed Pinkish Kitten becoming the icon of the BM tree.
