Alliance Civil War!

[Saturo]

She's just as evil as Arthas and has been shown to have no qualms about killing anyone in either faction. She's an example of the whole "New Horde" thing being a bunch of bull since they still have villains like her as faction leaders.

She does what she has to do to ensure the survival of her people. There's a really big difference between that and going "RAWR I KILL U!" like Arthas. She's not a villain, she's just willing to do whatever it takes.

No insulting Sylvanas near me! I stab you if you do! :D

[Agravaine]

We get to kill WRYNN? 8D What's next, Mr. Morrograin NOW Staghelm?

Just you wait...

[Cerah]

She's just as evil as Arthas and has been shown to have no qualms about killing anyone in either faction. She's an example of the whole "New Horde" thing being a bunch of bull since they still have villains like her as faction leaders.

She does what she has to do to ensure the survival of her people. There's a really big difference between that and going "RAWR I KILL U!" like Arthas. She's not a villain, she's just willing to do whatever it takes.

No insulting Sylvanas near me! I stab you if you do!

/siding with General Satuno in the pro-Sylvanas army

Sylvanas a villain? Hello! She was the one killed by Arthas, who fought to free herself and to establish a home for the Forsaken, many of whom were rejected by their own, former human familes! Then she allied with the Horde to further ensure her people's survival, and after that, helped her former people, the Blood Elves, also join the Horde.

She's willing to do what it takes to make sure the Forsaken have a home in a world that hates and fears them. How is that any more evil that what Thrall, Caine, and Vol'jin have done for their people?

Anyway, back on topic. This is hilarious! It almost looks like the Stormwind Guards have gone on a Horde witch hunt just like how Republicans targetted so-called Communists in the 1950s. "There's a Hordie, no, there's one! Agh! They're EVERYWHERE! EVERYONE'S HORDE! KILL THEM ALL!"

I always thought the Alliance was crazy

[Palladiamorsdeus]

We're not having the Sylvanas argument again. Some of us think of her as a villain, some of us don't. Leave it there.

[Lisaara]

We're not having the Sylvanas argument again. Some of us think of her as a villain, some of us don't. Leave it there.

I'm gonna side with Palla on this. I think of her as a royal bitch of a villain and she's becoming the very thing she sought to destroy but I don't wanna see a huge argument on this.

[Saturo]

We're not having the Sylvanas argument again. Some of us think of her as a villain, some of us don't. Leave it there.

I'm gonna side with Palla on this. I think of her as a royal bitch of a villain and she's becoming the very thing she sought to destroy but I don't wanna see a huge argument on this.

*Twitches*
*Stab*

[Kalliope]

This is why I said Garrosh, not Sylvanas, originally. Cause I don't think there's anyone here who supports him.

[Raydex-of-the-dawn]

This is why I said Garrosh, not Sylvanas, originally. Cause I don't think there's anyone here who supports him.

I support Garrosh. Now you all know what us Alliance feel like, stuck with Wrynn (and Staghelm, who's not REALLY a leader but pretty close)

[Saturo]

Wrynn isn't bad like Garrosh tough. He's just a bit stupid. He has actual REASONS for not liking Orcs, unlike Garrosh, who just wants to fight.

[Raydex-of-the-dawn]

Wrynn isn't bad like Garrosh tough. He's just a bit stupid. He has actual REASONS for not liking Orcs, unlike Garrosh, who just wants to fight.

Staghelm is worst of all. xD

Anyways, just killing stuff is a great reason.

[Cerah]

Wrynn has some good points, especially his love for Auduin. After reading the comics, I can't really hate him, and I'm Horde!

Garrosh, on the other hand, has *no* redeeming qualities from what I've seen of him so far. He's just a bully with major Daddy Issues who's threatening to tear the Horde apart! I wish he had died at the Wrathgate instead of Saurfang Jr.

[Saturo]

Wrynn isn't bad like Garrosh tough. He's just a bit stupid. He has actual REASONS for not liking Orcs, unlike Garrosh, who just wants to fight.

Staghelm is worst of all. xD

Anyways, just killing stuff is a great reason.

Don't get me started on Staghelm. xD

[Lisaara]

Wrynn has some good points, especially his love for Auduin. After reading the comics, I can't really hate him, and I'm Horde!

Garrosh, on the other hand, has *no* redeeming qualities from what I've seen of him so far. He's just a bully with major Daddy Issues who's threatening to tear the Horde apart! I wish he had died at the Wrathgate instead of Saurfang Jr.

While I don't like Garrosh, I must point out you're wrong. Garrosh does have good in him.

When Cairne was killed and Garrosh found out who did, it, he avenged him by slaughtering the Grimtotems(who poisoned Cairne's drinks) which I commend him for because I loved Cairne. Ontop of that, the spar between him and Cairne was Cairne's challenge, not Garrosh's. Garrosh merely honored it and did not kill him(obviously). (Source: http://www.wowwiki.com/Cairne#Cataclysm)

Also when one of Garrosh's lieutenants started slaughtering a village of innocent alliance people, Garrosh got PISSED and took the guy, threw him off the cliff and said "You are DISMISSED!" which is something I never expected. (Source: http://www.wowwiki.com/Garrosh#Stonetal ... _Cataclysm)

So you see, he IS learning and from someone who despised him with every fiber of my being....I'm starting to respect him a little.

Now before anyone bashes Staghelm more....I must ask...do you guys who 'hate' him know the first thing about him?

[Saturo]

Wrynn has some good points, especially his love for Auduin. After reading the comics, I can't really hate him, and I'm Horde!

Garrosh, on the other hand, has *no* redeeming qualities from what I've seen of him so far. He's just a bully with major Daddy Issues who's threatening to tear the Horde apart! I wish he had died at the Wrathgate instead of Saurfang Jr.

While I don't like Garrosh, I must point out you're wrong. Garrosh does have good in him.

When Cairne was killed and Garrosh found out who did, it, he avenged him by slaughtering the Grimtotems(who poisoned Cairne's drinks) which I commend him for because I loved Cairne. Ontop of that, the spar between him and Cairne was Cairne's challenge, not Garrosh's. Garrosh merely honored it and did not kill him(obviously). (Source: http://www.wowwiki.com/Cairne#Cataclysm)

Also when one of Garrosh's lieutenants started slaughtering a village of innocent alliance people, Garrosh got PISSED and took the guy, threw him off the cliff and said "You are DISMISSED!" which is something I never expected. (Source: http://www.wowwiki.com/Garrosh#Stonetal ... _Cataclysm)

So you see, he IS learning and from someone who despised him with every fiber of my being....I'm starting to respect him a little.

Now before anyone bashes Staghelm more....I must ask...do you guys who 'hate' him know the first thing about him?

All that is just plain retconning of his character tough. There were no signs of him learning anything, and for Blizz to go all "Let's make a character everyone will hate!", and then change their minds is just plain dumb. So far he's done nothing to atone for what he did in Northrend, for example.

[bluddy]

WHICH EU REALM GOTTA SEE!!!!!

[Saturo]

WHICH EU REALM GOTTA SEE!!!!!

It's on the beta.

[bluddy]

mettaqorque?

[Azunara]

NOOOOO! NOT STORMWIND! D:

That's my favorite Alliance capital...

[Arwyn]

I knew the alliance would 1 day tear itself apart. Waahahahahahaaaaaaa, now is the time to attack brothers and sisters of the Horde!! SLAY THEM ALL!

*snort*

One word: Garrosh.

I rest my case.

Touche
But I honestly hope this isn't just a glitch and there is some interesting event planned for this, cuz it's pretty cool ^_^

It would be cool if it was connected to the Pre-Cata event involving the Twilight Cultists in SW.
I mean part of the quest has you running around as a cultist and since there Twilight Cultists running around on the Horde side, some could slip into SW disguised as humans and try to take at Varian. Which would mark them as Horde as soon as they did, and if you're still running around in your cultist robe the guards would try to take you out because they think you're just a disguised member of the Horde.

(For the Horde side it'd be disguised humans trying to take out Garrosh.)

[Kalliope]

This is why I said Garrosh, not Sylvanas, originally. Cause I don't think there's anyone here who supports him.

I support Garrosh. Now you all know what us Alliance feel like, stuck with Wrynn (and Staghelm, who's not REALLY a leader but pretty close)

lol.

You know I'm alliance too, right? I'm not a fan of Wrynn either, but at least he's improving. Staghelm's just rude. Garrosh is just...something else. >_<