A Proposition for Beast Mastery Pets

[Nanotrev]

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I'm trying to get them to allow us to have exotic pets at lower levels in the expansion.

[Lisaara]

I'm pretty content on what we have now. Lower levels are to learn the class and how it works. You should work for your exotics. You want em? You'll work for it just like if you want an exotic beast IRL, you need to work to get the 'right/license' to own it. Same basic concept.

[Lysah]

I agree, mostly because I remember how fun it was to hunt for pets as I levelled back in classic...at this point it's basically "I'll just stick with this (insert pet I don't care about) until I'm level 69." I don't see anything wrong with letting draenei hunters tame a white core hound instead of killing it and waiting sixty levels for the tame.

[Nanotrev]

I'm pretty content on what we have now. Lower levels are to learn the class and how it works. You should work for your exotics. You want em? You'll work for it just like if you want an exotic beast IRL, you need to work to get the 'right/license' to own it. Same basic concept.

I'm more of going off of the advantages we'd have if we were to get Exotics earlier. It shouldn't take a level 69 to tame a level 30ish Silithid in the Shimmering Flats not to mention that we're missing out on a huge chunk of our class in the earlier levels. It's not as much as having to earn it or comparing it to learning talents as we level as it is just have the rest of what we spec'ed in to have for the bonus right away. It would also be incredibly useful running lower level dungeons and having the missing buffs that might otherwise make it harder for everyone. Blizzard has demonstrated that they can scale things pretty well now when it comes to hunter pets so many more things are possible.

I agree, mostly because I remember how fun it was to hunt for pets as I levelled back in classic...at this point it's basically "I'll just stick with this (insert pet I don't care about) until I'm level 69." I don't see anything wrong with letting draenei hunters tame a white core hound instead of killing it and waiting sixty levels for the tame.

Exactly! I don't see the other half of the logic which implies: "Hunters must wait till they're sixty levels ahead to go back and tame X pet." Leveling would have been MUCH more enjoyable for me if I'd gotten to have a worm or silithid at a much lower level not to mention the Qiraji Fortitude would have helped me stay alive. At the very least I'd like to see it moved back to level thirty or so when things really get to be slow in terms of leveling. Having your favorite pet out and about with you would make it more bearable by far.

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[Lisaara]

Still don't like the idea. I like working for my exotics. I don't want it to be just handed to us on a silver platter. We don't miss out on anything cause as BM, you dont have to have an exotic to be awesome. I still have the raptor on Talu and normal wolf on Lisa that i still use and love to bits despite I can get exotics. An exotic is just a trophy that says 'i toughed it out'.

With my raptor and wolf, I was still impressing people with how well I worked as a BM without a exotic. If you cant master a normal pet at a low level, how can you handle an exotic?

Also as far as buffs go.....the low level dungeons are CAKE and really hardly require any buffs. Leveling is so simple now. Why take all the challenge away? Keeping the BM talent as it is gives it that little challenge so you can handle yourself without the buffs.

Really, personally, I feel Blizzard has done more than enough for us hunters. We have more slots to tame pets, more pets to pick from, BM is actually able to compete with MM and SV......asking for more seems a bit much.

[Novikova]

Maybe, but you also had the option about 9 levels earlier for an exotic. It can be nice to level with a devilsaur. Though, I doubt they will change it.

Edit: That is, I mean - I leveled with the old way too. But. C'est la vie. Edited to sound less snarky. O_o Why do I always sound snarky without meaning to? Oi vey.

[Lisaara]

Maybe, but you also had the option about 9 levels earlier for an exotic. It can be nice to level with a devilsaur. It's easy to say no no no when you had the better option. Though, I doubt they will change it.

I'm saying 'no no no' and I plan to level a worgen hunter. I'm quite pleased with the little challenge they presented.

Edit: Nah. You're fine. I leveled both my hunters the old way but I'm planning on playing my worgen hunter on live, as I do on beta. I do just fine as a BM still without an exotic and dungeons are a walk in the park now.

[Novikova]

Maybe, but you also had the option about 9 levels earlier for an exotic. It can be nice to level with a devilsaur. It's easy to say no no no when you had the better option. Though, I doubt they will change it.

I'm saying 'no no no' and I plan to level a worgen hunter.

*shrugs* I'll level one to see if I like it and race change but. That's more due to heirloom cost going up and having an uber busy semester come spring.

[Lisaara]

Maybe, but you also had the option about 9 levels earlier for an exotic. It can be nice to level with a devilsaur. It's easy to say no no no when you had the better option. Though, I doubt they will change it.

I'm saying 'no no no' and I plan to level a worgen hunter.

*shrugs* I'll level one to see if I like it and race change but. That's more due to heirloom cost going up and having an uber busy semester come spring.

Getting JP is so easy so getting heirlooms isnt that hard now. But i suppose when you lack time, I can see where it'd be a royal pain.

[Nanotrev]

Still don't like the idea. I like working for my exotics. I don't want it to be just handed to us on a silver platter. We don't miss out on anything cause as BM, you dont have to have an exotic to be awesome. I still have the raptor on Talu and normal wolf on Lisa that i still use and love to bits despite I can get exotics. An exotic is just a trophy that says 'i toughed it out'.

With my raptor and wolf, I was still impressing people with how well I worked as a BM without a exotic. If you cant master a normal pet at a low level, how can you handle an exotic?

Also as far as buffs go.....the low level dungeons are CAKE and really hardly require any buffs. Leveling is so simple now. Why take all the challenge away? Keeping the BM talent as it is gives it that little challenge so you can handle yourself without the buffs.

Really, personally, I feel Blizzard has done more than enough for us hunters. We have more slots to tame pets, more pets to pick from, BM is actually able to compete with MM and SV......asking for more seems a bit much.

You hit level 70 or so and automatically get a talent point that you can stick into "Beast Mastery." I'd say a rare is more of a trophy than a Beast Mastery exclusive pet because say an SV or MM hunter leveled to 80 and suddenly decided they wanted a BM pet? All they would have had to do was pay a few gold depending on how often they switched talents and plug the points in. They would have never had to work down the Beast Mastery tree. Even now in the current content rolling as BM for DPS is actually worse than SV or MM, not to mention SV and MM still have access to all of the same pets no matter what level they are up until about 70. Now, onto managing exotics...

Managing exotics is hardly any different than managing any other hunter pet with the exception of their special ability. The main purpose of learning how to manage a pet is that you learn to do things such as not keeping it on aggressive while in an instance or out leveling in case something more than you can handle comes along. Pet management also implies you know when to heal your pet and when to use Cower, etc to keep them alive. Having an exotic pet would in no way hinder your ability to learn how to use a pet in general.

Speaking on buffs one might as well ask the priest not to buff you if you don't want to experience leveling with a silithid or the other exotics that give the same buff if you're thinking along the line of making it harder without buffs. It's simply to replace the missing class of choice and providing their role in favor of your comrades.

[Lisaara]

Still don't like the idea. I like working for my exotics. I don't want it to be just handed to us on a silver platter. We don't miss out on anything cause as BM, you dont have to have an exotic to be awesome. I still have the raptor on Talu and normal wolf on Lisa that i still use and love to bits despite I can get exotics. An exotic is just a trophy that says 'i toughed it out'.

With my raptor and wolf, I was still impressing people with how well I worked as a BM without a exotic. If you cant master a normal pet at a low level, how can you handle an exotic?

Also as far as buffs go.....the low level dungeons are CAKE and really hardly require any buffs. Leveling is so simple now. Why take all the challenge away? Keeping the BM talent as it is gives it that little challenge so you can handle yourself without the buffs.

Really, personally, I feel Blizzard has done more than enough for us hunters. We have more slots to tame pets, more pets to pick from, BM is actually able to compete with MM and SV......asking for more seems a bit much.

You hit level 70 or so and automatically get a talent point that you can stick into "Beast Mastery." I'd say a rare is more of a trophy than a Beast Mastery exclusive pet because say an SV or MM hunter leveled to 80 and suddenly decided they wanted a BM pet? All they would have had to do was pay a few gold depending on how often they switched talents and plug the points in. They would have never had to work down the Beast Mastery tree. Even now in the current content rolling as BM for DPS is actually worse than SV or MM, not to mention SV and MM still have access to all of the same pets no matter what level they are up until about 70. Now, onto managing exotics...

Managing exotics is hardly any different than managing any other hunter pet with the exception of their special ability. The main purpose of learning how to manage a pet is that you learn to do things such as not keeping it on aggressive while in an instance or out leveling in case something more than you can handle comes along. Pet management also implies you know when to heal your pet and when to use Cower, etc to keep them alive. Having an exotic pet would in no way hinder your ability to learn how to use a pet in general.

Speaking on buffs one might as well ask the priest not to buff you if you don't want to experience leveling with a silithid or the other exotics that give the same buff if you're thinking along the line of making it harder without buffs. It's simply to replace the missing class of choice and providing their role in favor of your comrades.

You realize the whole 'buffs' and 'missing buffs' thing was meant for the raiding portion(I dont see how it was for pvp but it does help I'm sure) with the hunter, right? Wasnt stuck in there for leveling purposes. I'm pretty sure thats why Blizz put the BM master down for the 70s rather than the 60s. You're more likely to do a lvl 70 or lvl 80 raid than a lvl 60. And I dont think theres anything lower than that.

EDIT: I didn't mean for that to sound snarky...x.x; Totally not my intention.

[cowmuflage]

Why? It will just make more people think BM is all about exotics. Its not.

[Lisaara]

Why? It will just make more people think BM is all about exotics. Its not.

Very good point too.

[Nanotrev]

Also as far as buffs go.....the low level dungeons are CAKE and really hardly require any buffs. Leveling is so simple now. Why take all the challenge away? Keeping the BM talent as it is gives it that little challenge so you can handle yourself without the buffs.

You realize the whole 'buffs' and 'missing buffs' thing was meant for the raiding portion(I dont see how it was for pvp but it does help I'm sure) with the hunter, right? Wasnt stuck in there for leveling purposes. I'm pretty sure thats why Blizz put the BM master down for the 70s rather than the 60s. You're more likely to do a lvl 70 or lvl 80 raid than a lvl 60. And I dont think theres anything lower than that.

There is content lower than level 60. They're dungeons like RFK among others, along with Maurudon.(sp?) It also has to do with lower level dungeons as I mentioned before. Dungeons are not easy for me at level 15+ because there's always the person who is just learning their class and bites off more than they can chew. It's also known that some of the worst new players to the game are hunters. Go ahead and skim through http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com to see a well-known hunter's take on his observations on our brethren who are new to the class. I'll find it myself if I can a bit later, but there was an article dedicated to what I just brought up. It would be very useful to have some extra padding for those who don't quite understand the mechanics yet so there might be a bit more HP between wiping and a long corpse run. A buff the pet could provide that increases attack power might also help the group avoid their demise by providing a boost to overall DPS, thus giving the boss less time to take away that valuable lifeblood known as HP.

Why? It will just make more people think BM is all about exotics. Its not.

Having different pets doesn't automatically equate to being what the spec is all about... but lets say I take the position as devil's advocate for a minute here. Our climax to the BM tree is getting to tame exotic pets right now, and if so how would it not be about taming exotics? Even so, they're not that much better than normal pets. Anyone can be buffed by a priest or get a DK's buff if they happen to be in the same party.

[Lisaara]

Kinda defeats the purpose of the argument of having exotics sooner, especially since at low level dungeons, having an exotic pet wont change players that bite off more than they can chew, nor will it help any. You'll still die or barely survive.

[cowmuflage]

Bm has never been soloy about Exotics seeing as they only showed up in wotlk.

[lilatha]

I must sadly agree, I don't think we should get our lil' exotics until we have our talent points. I loved leveling with my kitty cat! They have enough pets out there to ensure a player is able to level, yes the BM pets do have extra attacks and such and yes Blizzard could scale them for the lower levels but most the 'buffs' they bring, example the Core Hound can Bloodlust and a guildie got his Shaman to lv70 and he learnt Bloodlust (this might be incorrect and I have never had a shaman myself so I am not sure if that is the normal level or not for them to get it.)
It would cause some unblancing no matter which was you look at it.
"Oh I am lv15 and I can Bloodlust can you do that yet?"
Unless the BM pets attacks were only at lv 69. I never saw BM's signature to be the Pets. I saw it as the attacks we had like Beastral Wrath and Indimadtion. But I am also not jsut saying pets are pets nothing more, ofcourse pets matter to a BM since they are our damage dealers but I love how things work now and how they were back then to. I don't think Blizzard would go for that idea for a long time.

Also sorry for spelling mistakes, its late :<

[Slickrock]

Actually, I'd give exotics earlier, but, in a different way. You proposal is overpowered at lower levels.

First off, I'm tired to death of all the cries about everyone wanting every skin. Fine. Let's change it.

#1 - Every pet is exotic, if owned by a BM. When the BM hunter applies the 20th point, the pet, regardless of family, gets it's exotic talent.

#2 - BM hunter start earning those extra pet talent points at level 20. 1 for each 20 levels.

#3 - The final BM talent is replaced by something else, likely a reworked Kill Command.

So everyone can get every skin, but every pet can be exotic for a BMer. Everyone wins.

[Lisaara]

I must sadly agree, I don't think we should get our lil' exotics until we have our talent points. I loved leveling with my kitty cat! They have enough pets out there to ensure a player is able to level, yes the BM pets do have extra attacks and such and yes Blizzard could scale them for the lower levels but most the 'buffs' they bring, example the Core Hound can Bloodlust and a guildie got his Shaman to lv70 and he learnt Bloodlust (this might be incorrect and I have never had a shaman myself so I am not sure if that is the normal level or not for them to get it.)
It would cause some unblancing no matter which was you look at it.
"Oh I am lv15 and I can Bloodlust can you do that yet?"
Unless the BM pets attacks were only at lv 69. I never saw BM's signature to be the Pets. I saw it as the attacks we had like Beastral Wrath and Indimadtion. But I am also not jsut saying pets are pets nothing more, ofcourse pets matter to a BM since they are our damage dealers but I love how things work now and how they were back then to. I don't think Blizzard would go for that idea for a long time.

Also sorry for spelling mistakes, its late :<

Pets are just a perk for the BM, really.

The signature, as you said, is definitely Beastial Wrath. Big Red Angry Pet = BM Hunter all the way!

[Lisaara]

Actually, I'd give exotics earlier, but, in a different way. You proposal is overpowered at lower levels.

First off, I'm tired to death of all the cries about everyone wanting every skin. Fine. Let's change it.

#1 - Every pet is exotic, if owned by a BM. When the BM hunter applies the 20th point, the pet, regardless of family, gets it's exotic talent.

#2 - BM hunter start earning those extra pet talent points at level 20. 1 for each 20 levels.

#3 - The final BM talent is replaced by something else, likely a reworked Kill Command.

So everyone can get every skin, but every pet can be exotic for a BMer. Everyone wins.

That really didn't make much sense to me. Seems very flawed and would make BMs OP.