What happened to Shatterspear Village?

[Azunara]

Wait? Killed all the elves? Hopefully not quest givers? Cause then I have to call you out, whether you're IC or not. I can understand not liking them for what they did. That's fine. Kill all of the guards and whatnot. But killing vendors/quest givers is just mean.

And if you left them alone, then, well...You can ignore me.

[Vephriel]

Probably mostly the guards, but I went after any elf I saw. Not sure who the quest givers would have been. *shrug*

[Senna-Umbreon]

Eh, to you Horde fans, I could argue Southshore is a pretty nice example of Horde being evil. Granted, that's the Forsaken, so it's a stretch...But Southshore wasn't the most militaristic of towns either.

Meh. I don't know enough about lore and whatnot to argue much. Carry on. I'll just keep loving my NE druid and my human lock. (No, really. I am really loving my lock. It's scary. >.>)

I'd say that's quite different. The Forsaken did that due to how they were treated by the humans for something THEY COULDN'T CONTROL. How would you like it if you got turned into a zombie and had your family try to kill you for something had you no control over? That's what the humans did to the Forsaken. That, and as Sylvanas has stated, Forsaken are unable to reproduce, hence.. They kind of need a way to, you know.. Not die out? (...... The Forsaken are kind of reminding me of the Dusk, now that I think about it >.>)

Also.. The Night Elves lashed out at the Trolls for, again, something they really had no control over. The Shatterspear tribe would have been murdered by Garrosh if they disobeyed him. Which is why they started cutting down trees and stuff... And then the Night Elves attacked. I seriously do not think that's fair. Cause either way, the tribe is going to get murdered. Seriously? That's a horrible ending for a tribe that really wanted nothing to do with anyone else in the world. They were just happy with dancing in their little village, and they would still be like that if Garrosh hadn't been a jerk and the Night Elves hadn't been so "MY TREEEEESSSS YOU'RE KILLING THEEEEMMMMMMM YOU DIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEHYZTJSERTHYZSKRFTHZJR"

[peanutbuttercup]

Headed up there just now on my Alliance Hunter, Silinrul, to check this out for you.

The Alli NPC's do NOT talk to you, they're just there attacking. However, there is also a named NE npc there, Kerlonian Evershade, leading me to believe this is probably part of a new quest series in Darkshore. I'd guess this also because a little to the left of the tunnel leading up to this village there's a Horde encampment with a whole bunch of Shatterspear Laborers out and about too, all at low levels, so I'm guessing this is a whole quest line now.

~VelkynKarma

This is part of a quest chain for Alliance that gets you the Withers pet, so don't be surprised to see high level Alliance players out there demolishing everything. When I did it there were only 80s in the zone.

In the actual area there's 2 quests I think? Maybe 3... just did it but already forgot One of them you ride on top of one of those giant tree guys, and there's another to assassinate a named mob in a mini gauntlet.

The camp down below has a lot more quests, maybe 10 or so.

[Azunara]

*nod* I'm not targeting you or Wassa, I just find it extremely irksome when people kill quest-givers on purpose. Not knowing who the quest givers are, eh, I could understand...As long as you go through once then leave, or learn who the questgivers are and avoid them.

Also, ninja edits for Senna:

True...But now the Forsaken are forcing people who want to stay dead back to life. I say some of the quest zone via my brother's shoulder, so I'm very loose on this knowledge, but apparently spoilers inc: Marshall Redpath, you know, from Darrowshire, is brought back as a Forsaken. Imagine you were once a crusader against the Scourge, and to find out you're undead, scourge or not, is pretty dang shocking. He in fact runs off screaming how he's a monster. So yes, the Forsaken are trying to survive, but keep in mind not everyone wants to come back.

As for the elves...Look at it in their perspective. You're a race of savage people who worship the moon and nature itself. To you, nature is sacred. Imagine that someone, under orders or not, is destroying your sacred places. You'll want to defend them, right? I can understand the trolls didn't want too, but even still...The night elves just want to protect what they love.

...

Eh, either way...That's the point of the game. It's very shades of grey, and there's no real good or bad side. Each person acts on their own motives. Night elves want to protect their homes. Trolls act on orders. Forsaken want to survive. Humans want to protect themselves against what they believe are monsters. All opinions.

[Senna-Umbreon]

And that is exactly the problem with opinions. Everyone has one and for the most part... No one can agree on things >.>

I do get that 'protecting nature' is what Night Elves do.. But can't they just stick with Cenarian Circle stuff? Those Druids don't go completely insane one someone steps on a FLOWER, as opposed to other Night Elves who go into a berserker rage when that sort thing happens...

But then again, I'm somewhat biased against the Night Elves.. They're kind of annoying to me. I mean.. Exiling members of their own race just for fiddling around with a type of magic they know squat about? That seems a bit overboard... I guess whatshername... Queen Azshara had a hand in that, cause wasn't she one of the Highborne? Still, it's a bit dumb to do that. *Huggles the Blood Elves* Not to mention, they've welcomed back the Worgen, which were originally Night Elf Druids whose shapeshifting went wrong.. Or at least, that's what I've heard.

... What's even worse is that Trolls are most likely RELATED to the darn Moon-worshipping things! >.<

[Saturo]

Eh, if the elves fight civilization just to protect some trees, let them. I've never liked nelves.

And, obviously, Redpath is just a fool. WHO WOULDN'T WANT ETERNAL LIFE + EASY HEALTHCARE!? I mean, if your arm falls off, you just stitch it right back! What a convenience!

NINJAED: What Senna said.

[Azunara]

I think best bet is just to agree that the Night Elves tend to be severe in punishment.

...Besides, my NE druid prefers Stormwind anyways.

And Saturo: That may or may not be the best way to describe undeath as of yet.

[cowmuflage]

I'd love to beable to just sticth things back on. Anyway Night elves should stop comeing out in the day light I mean I see them walking around in day time! crazy elves don't even follow there own name sake.

[Wassa]

Any night elf NPCs I saw with specific names I could not attack, which I am guessing those are the quest givers. I could only kill the sentinels and the giant elite ancients. I know the ancients are part of the last quest. They would respawn almost instantly and once someone uses them for the quest they are unattackable.

It also hurts seeing the new leader of Wassa's tribe get killed when I couldn't do anything about it. Damn Blizzard's PvP rules. >(

[Gimlion]

And that is exactly the problem with opinions. Everyone has one and for the most part... No one can agree on things >.>

I do get that 'protecting nature' is what Night Elves do.. But can't they just stick with Cenarian Circle stuff? Those Druids don't go completely insane one someone steps on a FLOWER, as opposed to other Night Elves who go into a berserker rage when that sort thing happens...

But then again, I'm somewhat biased against the Night Elves.. They're kind of annoying to me. I mean.. Exiling members of their own race just for fiddling around with a type of magic they know squat about? That seems a bit overboard... I guess whatshername... Queen Azshara had a hand in that, cause wasn't she one of the Highborne? Still, it's a bit dumb to do that. *Huggles the Blood Elves* Not to mention, they've welcomed back the Worgen, which were originally Night Elf Druids whose shapeshifting went wrong.. Or at least, that's what I've heard.

... What's even worse is that Trolls are most likely RELATED to the darn Moon-worshipping things! >.<

Bah! wrong, wrong wrong wrong wrong!!! I absolutely HATE this... This is NOT how Worgen came into being, as Blizzard already had strong, awesome lore set in place for them, then go and blow this lore up for a damned player race! Agh, it's so aggravating!

And If trolls are anyway related to NE's, it's b/c NE's descended from Trolls, as trolls were some of the first Sentient races on Azeroth. However, looking at wowpedia, it seems that no one is sure, as it could also have been Trolls descending from Night elves. The best flowchart I could find was this...
http://www.wowpedia.org/File:WoWRaces.png
but it says nothing on whether or not they're related.

http://www.wowpedia.org/Race_origins I found to be very interesting.

/end derail

[Cerah]

The really sad thing is that the conflict between the night elves and orcs, which results in relative innocents like the Shatterspears getting caught in the middle, could all easily be avoided.

The Night Elves are mostly pissed about Orcs cutting down trees, which the Orcs say they need to build their own towns, etc, and Durotar's not exactly a forest, so they need to get it from somewhere. Night Elves, through their wisps, have a kind of "technology" that allows them to collect lumber without harming the trees themselves.

If Night Elves were willing to share their wisps, and Orcs were willing to stop fighting for a second and listen to their neighbours' concerns, then all the Night Elf/Horde conflict could be stopped! Everything from Warsong Gulch to the current struggles in Ashenvale and Darkshore could end!

Might make for a boring game from a pvp perspective, but it would make a far better world storyline-wise. It is possible. The Night Elves and the Tauren shared Kalimdor peacefully for centuries, if not millenenia, before anyone else got there. Under Thrall's leadership, and with the return of a reasonable nelf leader like Malfurion, a peace, or at least a ceasefire, could have been possible.

If only ...

[cowmuflage]

Yes If only both sides thougt of that. I don't think King big chin would be happy with the Elves makeing peace with orcs me thinks.

[Lisaara]

The really sad thing is that the conflict between the night elves and orcs, which results in relative innocents like the Shatterspears getting caught in the middle, could all easily be avoided.

The Night Elves are mostly pissed about Orcs cutting down trees, which the Orcs say they need to build their own towns, etc, and Durotar's not exactly a forest, so they need to get it from somewhere. Night Elves, through their wisps, have a kind of "technology" that allows them to collect lumber without harming the trees themselves.

If Night Elves were willing to share their wisps, and Orcs were willing to stop fighting for a second and listen to their neighbours' concerns, then all the Night Elf/Horde conflict could be stopped! Everything from Warsong Gulch to the current struggles in Ashenvale and Darkshore could end!

Might make for a boring game from a pvp perspective, but it would make a far better world storyline-wise. It is possible. The Night Elves and the Tauren shared Kalimdor peacefully for centuries, if not millenenia, before anyone else got there. Under Thrall's leadership, and with the return of a reasonable nelf leader like Malfurion, a peace, or at least a ceasefire, could have been possible.

If only ...

Thats also not really why the night elves hate the orcs, though.

The orcs slew Malorne...

The night elves will never forgive them for that.

[Gentlemanne]

I simply cannot understand the hate on Garrosh. He is exactly what the Horde needs, a leader who will take action agains the Alliance, and end their existance finally. The dancing trolls gave up their lives so that we may defeat our enemy, and hopefully it won't be soon after Deathwing has met his demise.

Long live Garrosh Hellscream and the Horde!

[Cerah]

I simply cannot understand the hate on Garrosh. He is exactly what the Horde needs, a leader who will take action agains the Alliance, and end their existance finally. The dancing trolls gave up their lives so that we may defeat our enemy, and hopefully it won't be soon after Deathwing has met his demise.

Long live Garrosh Hellscream and the Horde!

I think I've already pointed out that the Shatterspear Trolls would not have died, did not have to be part of the conflict in the first place, if it weren't for Garrosh's reckless, warmongering idiocy. If it weren't for him, the Shatterspear would still be in their village, at peace, Caine would still be alive, Sylvanas would still have some respect for Horde leadership (not much, but she did kind of owe Thrall), and Vol'jin and the Darkspear Trolls wouldn't be on the verge of leaving the Horde, with gameplay being pretty much the only reason they're still in.

But arguing with griefers is rather pointless.

[Senna-Umbreon]

Bah! wrong, wrong wrong wrong wrong!!! I absolutely HATE this... This is NOT how Worgen came into being, as Blizzard already had strong, awesome lore set in place for them, then go and blow this lore up for a damned player race! Agh, it's so aggravating!

And If trolls are anyway related to NE's, it's b/c NE's descended from Trolls, as trolls were some of the first Sentient races on Azeroth. However, looking at wowpedia, it seems that no one is sure, as it could also have been Trolls descending from Night elves. The best flowchart I could find was this...
http://www.wowpedia.org/File:WoWRaces.png
but it says nothing on whether or not they're related.

http://www.wowpedia.org/Race_origins I found to be very interesting.

/end derail

Well I'M SORRY for stating what I've HEARD. You don't have to get so worked up. With Blizzard doing what they're doing with lore, it's hard to know what's right and what's wrong.

And that's exactly what I was refering to. Night Elves are descended from Trolls. AKA: Related.

[Gentlemanne]

I think I've already pointed out that the Shatterspear Trolls would not have died, did not have to be part of the conflict in the first place, if it weren't for Garrosh's reckless, warmongering idiocy. If it weren't for him, the Shatterspear would still be in their village, at peace, Caine would still be alive, Sylvanas would still have some respect for Horde leadership (not much, but she did kind of owe Thrall), and Vol'jin and the Darkspear Trolls wouldn't be on the verge of leaving the Horde, with gameplay being pretty much the only reason they're still in.

But arguing with griefers is rather pointless.

You have pointed out something which is doubtless untrue, they would have died out sooner or later due to inbreeding or disease, being isolated.

They chose to follow Garrosh's reign, and did so willingly. Cairne's death was because of a poison, and he chose to duel Garrosh. Sylvanas has never respected the Horde. She uses it to her advantage, but she does not accept it to be her superior.

As for Vol'jin and the Darkspear tribe, well, without the Horde they would have been crushed on that island, and they know this. No-one but the Horde will accept them, not even others of their race.

And as for your comment about me being a griefer, I find that rather insult and unnessecary. I have not insulted you, nor slighted you in any way.

[Senna-Umbreon]

You have pointed out something which is doubtless untrue, they would have died out sooner or later due to inbreeding or disease, being isolated.

They chose to follow Garrosh's reign, and did so willingly. Cairne's death was because of a poison, and he chose to duel Garrosh. Sylvanas has never respected the Horde. She uses it to her advantage, but she does not accept it to be her superior.

As for Vol'jin and the Darkspear tribe, well, without the Horde they would have been crushed on that island, and they know this. No-one but the Horde will accept them, not even others of their race.

And as for your comment about me being a griefer, I find that rather insult and unnessecary. I have not insulted you, nor slighted you in any way.

ONLY because they would have been SLAUGHTERED for disobeying that dolt of an Orc that we have to call our 'Warchief'!

[Gentlemanne]

How do you know Garrosh would not have let them continue onwards? And how do you know the elves would not have attacked them first if they had been left alone by Garrosh?