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Re: How To: Tame Pets With Appearance Buffs

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Ollof wrote:If doing anything that cannot be done “under normal circumstances” is an exploit then I would like to get the following “exploits” removed from the game.

Kara Chains macro: Under normal circumstances most people can’t target the chains fast enough.
Vash Toss macro: Under normal circumstances you cannot open your bag and toss the core fast enough.
Bite Macro: Without perfect timing you cannot maximize your DPS and then bite someone.
Stopcast Macros: No amount of timing can help you stop cast.
Macros that activate abilities that are not on your UI: You need to open your spell book like everyone that does not use a macro.
NPC scanners: Roll a class that can track or visually track the pets just like other people that don’t use addons.

“Only Sith deal in absolutes.”

Or we can just point out the pets that need to be made untameable or given a timed buff so that what NEEDS to be fixed can be.
Pretty much this. I've been stalking this thread and running around taming some of these beauties. And I really am truly grateful to Acherontia for all of her work. And to some, I maybe morally suspect, but I don't find anything wrong with this style of taming. We all have done clever things to tame certain animals. I personally have been using a macro that uses Ancient Hysteria to speed up my tame time for things like Arcturis and Chromaggus. Though this seems to be broken now. I tried it with a burning boar, and my cast time was longer. With King Krush I used the BW and Abandon Script to tame him even though my successful tame was sans buff (this was pre-4.0). I have macros that tell my Pally how close she is to block capping. I have macros that whisper me and the party member when I give them a Hand spell. And when I pet hunt I have to delete my cache folder to find a beast that I have seen as a pet. All of these are considered clever uses of game mechanics.

Let's also consider how long we've been able to tame the Oil-stained Wolf. And one could consider THAT an exploit. We had to time the Tame Beast channel to end exactly at the same time the beast would despawn otherwise we'd get a normal wolf or nothing. One could say that these wolves were never intended to be tamed like this, but some clever hunter figured it out. Bringing us to the present, Acherontia is the new clever hunter. She used things in the game to tame these pets. Originally she had glitched her first Ghost Wolf. It was a mere accident.

I personally don't see the harm in these buffs with the exception of the damage-dealing ones. And I hope that only those get "fixed." These buffs are cosmetic, and we are already neutered with the fact that they cannot die. They are realistically just for show much like what happened to other unintended pets when Blizz decided to let people keep them but not be able to feed them. And anyone can do this. It's not something a privileged few can obtain. You run a macro and profit.

I guess I've not understood the negative feedback concerning this method. It just doesn't make much sense to me. But here's to Acherontia and that our Lurker reads the about all of us thankful and responsible hunters. We'd like to keep our cosmetic pets. Get rid of the Damage-Dealing ones, but let us keep these beauties as a reward and homage to Acherontia.

And a final note, I think I'd call this an exploit, but under a different definition.
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Re: How To: Tame Pets With Appearance Buffs

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Taso wrote:Macros, while they do something normally no human can do, are not a bug in the programming of the game, and are thus, fair game.

Just because you can't humanly do it doesn't mean it's unintended. Blizzard intentionally put macros in to make the game more manageable for instances where super-human reflexes would otherwise be quite helpful.
/agree

In cases where we're talking about macros that affect the outcome of combat (or otherwise help you in a dangerous situation), macros don't give you "unique" functionality so much as they (when used properly) tighten your rotation, shave off 1-2 seconds and otherwise take your pure-manual efforts and speed them up a bit.

Can those extra 1-2 seconds make a critical difference? Certainly, and which is well within developers' intended role for macros.

But as you noted, that does not an exploit make - it just means you are a player who took the time to learn the game better and make fuller use of its available features.
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I don't get why we're still bickering (or debating) back and forth on the definition of an exploit, here. The real question is what we think, feel, or hope Blizzard will or will not do about this "unique taming method". Call it what you will, it's pretty irrelevant. :)

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Re: How To: Tame Pets With Appearance Buffs

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Rhyela wrote:I don't get why we're still bickering (or debating) back and forth on the definition of an exploit, here. The real question is what we think, feel, or hope Blizzard will or will not do about this "unique taming method". Call it what you will, it's pretty irrelevant. :)
While I added to the bickering, I do agree with this. I commented because I'm a girl. And I think we all know how we like to give our own 2 cents. :)
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Worba wrote:
Taso wrote:Macros, while they do something normally no human can do, are not a bug in the programming of the game, and are thus, fair game.

Just because you can't humanly do it doesn't mean it's unintended. Blizzard intentionally put macros in to make the game more manageable for instances where super-human reflexes would otherwise be quite helpful.
/agree

In cases where we're talking about macros that affect the outcome of a tame (or otherwise help you in a taming situation), macros don't give you "unique" functionality so much as they (when used properly) tighten your rotation, shave off 1-2 seconds and otherwise take your pure-manual efforts and speed them up a bit.

Can those extra 1-2 seconds make a critical difference? Certainly, and which is well within developers' intended role for taming pets.

But as you noted, that does not an exploit make - it just means you are a player who took the time to learn the game better and make fuller use of its available features.
Edited for emphasis.
Rhyela wrote:I don't get why we're still bickering (or debating) back and forth on the definition of an exploit, here. The real question is what we think, feel, or hope Blizzard will or will not do about this "unique taming method". Call it what you will, it's pretty irrelevant. :)
Cuz it r fun.

I agree. I hope the powers that be take an honest look at this and "fix" the pets that retain damage dealing buffs.
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Rhyela wrote:I don't get why we're still bickering (or debating) back and forth on the definition of an exploit, here. The real question is what we think, feel, or hope Blizzard will or will not do about this "unique taming method". Call it what you will, it's pretty irrelevant. :)
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Socks wrote:yea, my friend tried the same thing with the sleeping lions in the Barrens, no luck. I dont think the sleeping effect lasts through because it dissapears upon movement. I still thank you for trying to find a cat though, I cant find any myself /still wants one <3
Where were those guys? Ive looked around Crossroads and West Barrens and none of the sleeping ones show "zzz"s
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Rienen wrote:
Socks wrote:yea, my friend tried the same thing with the sleeping lions in the Barrens, no luck. I dont think the sleeping effect lasts through because it dissapears upon movement. I still thank you for trying to find a cat though, I cant find any myself /still wants one <3
Where were those guys? Ive looked around Crossroads and West Barrens and none of the sleeping ones show "zzz"s
They're in the Northern part of Southern Barrens. West of the overgrowth and north of Vendetta point on the map, under the trees and along the mountains :3

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Ollof wrote:Edited for emphasis.
What are you talking about? Not sure what this was meant to accomplish, but you didn't just "edit for emphasis", you changed the content of my post.

I'm talking about macros. Period. Not just in the context of a tame.

This is what I actually said, just to set the record straight:
Worba wrote:/agree

In cases where we're talking about macros that affect the outcome of combat (or otherwise help you in a dangerous situation), macros don't give you "unique" functionality so much as they (when used properly) tighten your rotation, shave off 1-2 seconds and otherwise take your pure-manual efforts and speed them up a bit.

Can those extra 1-2 seconds make a critical difference? Certainly, and which is well within developers' intended role for macros.

But as you noted, that does not an exploit make - it just means you are a player who took the time to learn the game better and make fuller use of its available features.
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Are we all enjoying our new pets?
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At this point, all debate is moot. It's up to the devs to decide what the best way of handling this issue is. Hopefully they'll be able to keep the door open for the non-problematic pets.

:lol: Awesome crab, Griff!

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That's rather cute, actually. :3

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Awesome! Have another drink! :lol:
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I don't think Acher will get banned. I do think that people who abuse creative uses of in game mechanics will get warned and possibly have the pet removed if people in game notice what they are doing and complain, such as running around in a battleground with a mastiff that's doing 1300dmg/tick.
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WAIT wheres that crab????? :)
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Royi wrote:WAIT wheres that crab????? :)
Like I said before in one of these numerous threads, the silt crawlers are in the northeast section of Swamp of Sorrows.

They are pure awesome. :)

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Socks wrote:
Rienen wrote:
Socks wrote:yea, my friend tried the same thing with the sleeping lions in the Barrens, no luck. I dont think the sleeping effect lasts through because it dissapears upon movement. I still thank you for trying to find a cat though, I cant find any myself /still wants one <3
Where were those guys? Ive looked around Crossroads and West Barrens and none of the sleeping ones show "zzz"s
They're in the Northern part of Southern Barrens. West of the overgrowth and north of Vendetta point on the map, under the trees and along the mountains :3
Damn, yep. Like how the timed effects are based on a timer, the "Zzz" is in fact based on movement. Any movement. After taming, I logged back in and you can see the "Zzz" for a second and then the pet, whether its the sleeping hyena or the sleeping lion ends up moving and canceling it out.
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Damn, yep. Like how the timed effects are based on a timer, the "Zzz" is in fact based on movement. Any movement. After taming, I logged back in and you can see the "Zzz" for a second and then the pet, whether its the sleeping hyena or the sleeping lion ends up moving and canceling it out
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I know D: Goodness. I recall there being atleast ONE cat in the entire game with a non-timed effect. I just can't find any qq Seriously, not one? Cmon blizz :lol:

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Ollof wrote:If doing anything that cannot be done “under normal circumstances” is an exploit then I would like to get the following “exploits” removed from the game.

Kara Chains macro: Under normal circumstances most people can’t target the chains fast enough.
Vash Toss macro: Under normal circumstances you cannot open your bag and toss the core fast enough.
Bite Macro: Without perfect timing you cannot maximize your DPS and then bite someone.
Stopcast Macros: No amount of timing can help you stop cast.
Macros that activate abilities that are not on your UI: You need to open your spell book like everyone that does not use a macro.
NPC scanners: Roll a class that can track or visually track the pets just like other people that don’t use addons.

“Only Sith deal in absolutes.”

Or we can just point out the pets that need to be made untameable or given a timed buff so that what NEEDS to be fixed can be.
Not to belabour the point (although I do find the intellectual discussion/debate quite interesting), there is a difference.

Macros are an intended part of WoW, I think we would agree. It's programmed in by Blizzard to alow us to use them, same as Blizzards Add-On functionality. Intended.

However, in this case there are two issues involved:

Issue A. Blizzard clearly intended Pets to be wiped clean on buffs/debuffs when tamed by players.

Issue B. Blizzard clearly intended the "Abandon Pet" command to...wait for it ;) ....cause you r current Pet to be abandoned/i.e. lost.

In this case, we're all using a Macro (legit) that is doing something it isn't supposed to do. Not only does it go around Blizz's programming for Pets (i.e. buff-wipe), it also goes around it's own purpose (abandoning a pet).

As the convo has gone though, I think we almost ALL agree, if it's just cosmetic and does not break anything, or provide any statistical advantage, then it's a non-issue Blizz would let pass with a grin and a backslap. It's the existance of the many buffed Pets than do offer some advantages that could (stress could) be the problem that breaks the Blizzards back, and causes them to act. A Raider who brings 5 "20% Buff Tamed Cromagguses" to his next raid, for example.



So no worries, like I said, I have Swordbrainwolf myself (and an Oil Wolf I'm going to dump, don't quite get the appeal of the Oilies), and I agree with the idea its of minimal harm IF the real problem buffed ones get stopped.

Oh, and I play Horde in WoW, Amarrians in EVE, Klingons in Star Trek, and Sith/Imperials in Star Wars. So yea, I'm ok with absolutes in my gaming. ;)
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Yeah, and luckily, if they DO go the route of just adding timers to the "buff" pets, there's only 2 buffs they'd need to address--the Blighthounds in EPL, and the Feltaint or w/e on the spiders, bats and bears from The Tainted Forest in Blasted Lands.

ALL of the others buffs have timers on them, so they are, tbh, essentially a non-issue (someone had a screenshot of a "Hulk" buff on a boar, but never included details, so I've no idea what that was from). By the time you got a pet to a high enough level to hit the boss in a raid, the buff would be long gone--and arena wipes them anyway!
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