How To: Tame Pets With Appearance Buffs

[Cialbi]

Thanks for testing that I truly appreciate it.

As for your results, consider it good news; if the speed buff was permanent, your boar may have would up hotfixed, with the burning sensation probably being lost in the process.
Or I'm just being a pessimist - again.

[amrasillias]

Would have been fun in a pvp situation, seeing a screaming pig on fire coming at you at the speed of sound xD

[TygerDarkstorm]

Was pretty sure I read that when someone tamed it, it was doing AoE damage to them and their pet. If that's true, then theoretically, you can take it in an AH and wipe everyone in there with it.

When I tamed it at first, it was doing damage to critters. It was NOT doing damage to me. It cleared on death.

Must've misread it then. Good to know it can't be used against players at least.

[Nimrod]

What would that accomplish? It only does damage to neutral/enemy targets in melee range.

Was pretty sure I read that when someone tamed it, it was doing AoE damage to them and their pet. If that's true, then theoretically, you can take it in an AH and wipe everyone in there with it.

I picked one up shortly after getting the Lone Hunter. The EPL dog (Nathanos Blightcaller's guard dog) only does damage to neutral or enemy mobs that are attackable. Critters will get fried in close proximity, obviously.

I took no damage from it, nor did the pet itself. The other person may have been mistaking the bleed left on them by the pet as it was being tamed.

I took it to the dummies in Stormwind, it ticks about 1-1.5k on the regular 80 dummy (kept missing on the boss one, since it was only level 77!) He's firmly stabled away now, will probably keep him there just for giggles - no, I don't intend to ever use him for combat.

[Ollof]

I wholeheartedly agree with those that find things a bit skewed with these methods. In normal circumstances, the game will overwrite those buffs to get rid of them. What people are doing though is using lag to trick the server and make it so it doesn't wipe the buff, or at least I'm fairly sure that is what's going on.

These pets are not meant to have them. Forcing them to do so isn't really the most legit thing ever. It hasn't been tackled yet because there are bigger fish to fry and it is only effects...but what happens when we start taking pets that have damage buffs and using those to trick the game. Then we have pets with a buff doing extra damage, and then it gets serious.

Don't get me wrong, I have the Oil-Stained Wolf. But...something about all of this just makes me leery of it all. I don't think it's right. There are people who can say it better than I can, but I just don't see this ending well. Word gets out and people get bitter.

The point I have been working up to is; that there IS a difference between the "Abandon macro tames" and the "timed death tames". Some people seem to be lumping them all into the same basket, when they are clearly apples and bananas. I was applying that logic to other parts of the game to show how ridiculous it is. That being said...

I have the flaming pig as well...and I felt sorta dirty for taming it with the macro. It lost the sense of accomplishment I felt after taming GTSG, Oil Wolf/Bird SrS style, solo TB, AQ bugs and others Solo tames in the 6 years I have been playing this game.

[Sukurachi]

I honestly don't care!

I have dreamt of the see-through wolf since first seeing one in Shadowfang Keep.

Blizzard HAS to allow us to keep them! It's simply the most beautiful wolf model in the game right now.
I went and tamed one on my main Hunter. It was a nuisance, because I had to wait for one of the wolves to attack a deer and become transparent, then kill the deer, tame the wolf, abandon, log etc...

Every time I tried to engage one of those wolves, I'd one-shot it!

[Naiaara]

I tamed my pets with the tame timed to end at the death. I prefer it that way, rather than the abandoned macro. I don't think that having the pets with the special visuals is really all that big of an issue. However, I do not agree with having pets that have some sort of advantage over other players, their pets, etc. Visuals are okay, extra damage buffs are not.

[Socks]

While using Eagle Eye to look into Twilight Highlands, my friend ran in and got the "No-mans land" debuff and was ported out, he got stuck and had to contact a GM to get unstuck. Story says it- 3 GM's later one logs on while Im in his party. I took that advantage and asked him a question. Ofc he couldnt reply fully because he wasnt in that part of development, but here is somewhat of what went on- if it is too small hold Ctrl and press +.
I know you may say "oh, its not in a GM chat box so its not a real GM." Believe that if you want, I know what happened and Im just trying to show you. :3

[Ceramicrain]

Hey its me again. I am the one who posted on the US Forums early this morning. Still no response from blizzard as of yet other than one post being moved from Customer Service to the Bug Report Forum. Still keeping an eye on it tonight to see if anything changes. It also appears that they have also started to get buried in the torrent of other posts.

[Acherontia]

Okay, thanks for the headsup

Awesome GM chat, basically as expected I guess; I wonder how this will pan out.

I may tame a 2nd ghost wolf just in case my first one dies somehow, and they fix it, until I can get a Karoma I guess

[manbear]

Wow there are some paranoid people here. In the hopes of clearing all this "lolz u guiz gon get Banned" and "For Shame!" chat, let me point out past exploits and how they were dealt with starting from a small scale to large scale exploit.

* Hydralisk and Slime. A minor exploit allowing a few lucky hunters to get a purely cosmetic advantage over others. Nobody got banned, people kept their racially challenged crocolisks, and GM's have even helped hunter retrieve their long lost hydralisks. It took days for a fix for this, and the world kept turning.

* The Hadronax Rep farm. a small exploit where in a group simply keeps Hadronax alive so that the adds keep coming and they can kill the adds for 15 rep a kill. Nobody got banned, People kept their gained rep, and GM's called it clever. It was arguably fixed within hours of its discovery, though nothing was official until the next day.

* Frag bombs VS Lich King. A Big exploit that helped people defeat the Lich King encounter in ICC using frag bombs from engineering. Nobody got banned, as far as I know everyone kept their king slayer achievements, and this was no simple cosmetic advantage. It got fixed early on

* Isle of Conquest. Just recently there was a bug where the alliance gate was open. Using this bug to farm easy honor is exploiting and not a minor cosmetic exploit. Nobody got banned and everyone kept their honor. It was fixed within a day or two.


Now for examples of when you DO get banned.

* telling racist jokes in trade chat
* Officially ninjaing loot. (requires chat logs of the ML stating MS>OS as well as top roll wins and nothing reserved


Point of this long drawn out post: GM's don't go around looking to ban people. If what you are doing is affecting other people's World of Warcraft experience, you will get banned. If you are doing something for a small cosmetic advantage, then unless a GM has a vendetta set for you, you will be fine.

It's noble to post a bug on the bug forums after finding one that can be exploited, and it might even help your chances of getting banned go from 1% to 0.5%, but not posting it in the bug forums isn't going to make them want to ban you any more.


and if you say "an exploit is an exploit and I will have none of it!" then you need to take a good long look in the mirror because chances are if you've been playing this game for more than a year you have exploited, whether you realized it or not and whether it was a big deal or not.

[Bubu]

IS it last (today) hotfix and there is no more "Ghost Wolves" in Ashenvile?
At least I can't see any... They r all gray even without any "ghost" effect in both wild or after taming

have you tried t otake them down in HP? The ghostly effect doesn't actually show up until they've been beat on a bit.

Yep I did, but they r all stays in gray skin till death.
Or even after:O)
Just checking, don't really planning to tame him.
Got 3 rare wolves in stable + one from Ramparts. Same story as with cats before:O(

[Pent]

I wholeheartedly agree with those that find things a bit skewed with these methods. In normal circumstances, the game will overwrite those buffs to get rid of them. What people are doing though is using lag to trick the server and make it so it doesn't wipe the buff, or at least I'm fairly sure that is what's going on.

These pets are not meant to have them. Forcing them to do so isn't really the most legit thing ever. It hasn't been tackled yet because there are bigger fish to fry and it is only effects...but what happens when we start taking pets that have damage buffs and using those to trick the game. Then we have pets with a buff doing extra damage, and then it gets serious.

Don't get me wrong, I have the Oil-Stained Wolf. But...something about all of this just makes me leery of it all. I don't think it's right. There are people who can say it better than I can, but I just don't see this ending well. Word gets out and people get bitter.

The point I have been working up to is; that there IS a difference between the "Abandon macro tames" and the "timed death tames". Some people seem to be lumping them all into the same basket, when they are clearly apples and bananas. I was applying that logic to other parts of the game to show how ridiculous it is. That being said...

I have the flaming pig as well...and I felt sorta dirty for taming it with the macro. It lost the sense of accomplishment I felt after taming GTSG, Oil Wolf/Bird SrS style, solo TB, AQ bugs and others Solo tames in the 6 years I have been playing this game.

Considering I have tamed the Oil Wolf, Oil Hawk, Blue arrakoa carrion bird with blue mist, Lone Hunter with the knife in its head, and the BOAR ON FIRE (OOOWWWWWWW!!!!) and I never once used the Abandon Pet macro doing any of them... I don't feel dirty.

On the other hand, I did use a macro that abandoned my pet core hound after having it cast Ancient Hysteria, then (in the same macro) have me drink a Potion of Speed, then (yep, still same macro) started to cast Tame Beast.... One macro... Used it on King Krush, Chromaggus, and Princess Huhuran... was that wrong? Nah...

And manbear is correct... an exploit is an exploit... but there are bad ones and "Ok, that was not intended, but it is cool and we won't remove it" (A.K.A. "good") exploits.

There are differences.

[mimee]

can you guys like shut up about it? and like MOVE ON and be happy?


wow how much drama... seriously.

[Pent]

can you guys like shut up about it? and like MOVE ON and be happy?


wow how much drama... seriously.

Uhh...

Someone needs a

...and it isn't most of us on this thread.

Hmm... I wonder who could it be....


...SATAN?!

[Ceramicrain]

IS it last (today) hotfix and there is no more "Ghost Wolves" in Ashenvile?
At least I can't see any... They r all gray even without any "ghost" effect in both wild or after taming

have you tried t otake them down in HP? The ghostly effect doesn't actually show up until they've been beat on a bit.

Yep I did, but they r all stays in gray skin till death.
Or even after:O)
Just checking, don't really planning to tame him.
Got 3 rare wolves in stable + one from Ramparts. Same story as with cats before:O(

Well what wolves have you been trying this on? I believe the exact mob that has the ghost wolf buff when you get its HP down is the Ghostpaw Alpha ( http://www.wowhead.com/npc=3825 )

[Cialbi]

and if you say "an exploit is an exploit and I will have none of it!" then you need to take a good long look in the mirror because chances are if you've been playing this game for more than a year you have exploited, whether you realized it or not and whether it was a big deal or not.

Show of hands, who here specced MM, and reapplied Serpent Sting when Exploit Weakness procced so that your Serpent Sting and consequently Chimera Shot would get buffed for the rest of a boss fight? I could argue that those who did so were exploiting a bug and giving themselves an unfair advantage in DPS.

*raises hand*

[Ceramicrain]

*raises hand*

[Pent]

and if you say "an exploit is an exploit and I will have none of it!" then you need to take a good long look in the mirror because chances are if you've been playing this game for more than a year you have exploited, whether you realized it or not and whether it was a big deal or not.

Show of hands, who here specced MM, and reapplied Serpent Sting when Exploit Weakness procced so that your Serpent Sting and consequently Chimera Shot would get buffed for the rest of a boss fight? I could argue that those who did so were exploiting a bug and giving themselves an unfair advantage in DPS.

*raises hand*

I seriously never did this.

I have only been MM for about a week when grinding badges and I was only MM because I didn't feel like getting laughed at for doing less DPS than the tank.

In the same regards, I have only been Surv. once... and it was to exploit the hell out of Garwal's tame... which I did.... and then took a lot of SSs... then abandoned the white worg a couple of days later...

[hunterlol]

I don't know if this counts as an appearance buff or not, but i tried the macro on a daggertail lizard because it had "phasing" buff. It's pretty cool, when it walks, it will start phasing randomly lol. Sadly, it disappears when it attacks something .