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Best pet for pvp?

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I'm new to these forums, and I apologize for bringing up a topic that has no doubt been run into the ground, but I can't get search to cooperate with me and I couldn't see the thread within a good few pages of searching manually, so here goes.

I'd basically like to know what pet(s) are best for pvp. Not arena etc, but world pvp, because I suck at it and would like to stand a better chance of surviving ;) I have a 65 belf on a pvp realm and it gets tiring having everyone kill me while my pet bites their ankles (this is assuming they don't do as below). I listed my pets in my profile, maybe I have a good one now and just don't have the talents set properly.

Also, they tend to attack when my pet is attacking something else, is there some way to quickly set the pets focus on the player killing me rather than the mob? I have had limited success with PvE by setting them to passive then defensive, but never had a chance to test it on a player as they have usually gotten in melee range and killed me by then. I know I sound pathetic but I mainly play on a PvE realm, my belf is an alt, PvP was never my thing (my family started playing and chose the PvP realm after I was established on my main realm).

Thanks in advance from a hopeless hunter ;)
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Re: Best pet for pvp?

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Rhinos are great for escaping or throwing ppl off bridges.
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Ok heres some advice about hunters and pvp. If they can hit you you allready lost lol jk.
No but What you want to do is stop them or slow them down from getting to you so you can open up ranged hell upon their arses. Im assuming you having trouble with melee guy PvP.
In the fearce family dogs can Lock Jaw that can stop them
In the cunning family you have spiders and slithids with webs that stop them
And in Tennacity Crocs can slow them, and crabs can pin stop them.
Its all a matter of choice.

I use my dog because it puts out god dps as a fearce pet, and he can stop my attacker
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Griffley wrote:Rhinos are great for escaping or throwing ppl or bridges.
This answers the OPs question. It's what makes Shaman such a delight in PvP. :twisted:

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Back when Bad Attitude was the croc special ability, I always used my cococlisk-hydra Glitch. Even now, for old habit's sake, I keep using him. The slowing is extremely useful (it's a 50% slow with 0 downtime), plus the tenacity build means he's *very* hard to kill. If you are looking for heavy damage for world PVP, I would suggest the fox. Make the opponent less likely to hit you, and do 'Ferocity' damage.

The Tallstrider's ability at the moment has a long cooldown, meaning it's up for only 25% of the time as opposed to the fox's 100%. Tallstrider for fun, fox for PVP, unless they either lengthen the fox's CD or shorten the Tallstrider's.

I don't much like the pins. They *are* useful, don't get me wrong (VERY useful), but if it's just you and the pet, that short lock-in-place probably won't be enough to keep you alive. Go for a slow instead, IMO, unless you have a friend to take advantage of the halting as well. To me, this is why the 'jaw lock' and 'web spray' are more useful in Arena.
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well, im not sure what spec you are so ill just tell you a few that i have used for arena, bgs and world pvp.
if you are BM then when you hit 69:
Silidthid. great for kiting. they ave a verry nice number of skins and models to choose from. they give you a stam buff, they have a 5 second net with a dot on it and the bigger ones (the brain bugs) can fill up the screen of an attacker =3
chimera. they have an Aoe and a long range spell that keeps the target at reduced speed almost all the time.

if your not bm: Crabs. they are a tanking pet so they dont do as much damage but they can do roar of sacrifice, have thunder stomp, exstra endurance and pin. (pin is just like a silithid net only one second shorter) dogs are also good for a 4(?) second root and should do a nice amount of dps. also getting a bird can help for melee attackers. 6 sec disarm and if you get a seagull they will easily be over looked, thus they can continue to do damage without being stopped.

as for how to keep your pet on target when you are attacking somthing here is a great macro that has done wonders for me. just attach it to your main shot like i did. im pretty sure it when like this:

/cast archane shot
/pet attack

you may want to keep your main shot wihout the macro, still on yur casting bar as well though for the times when you want your pet to attack one thing, while you attack another.

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for world pvp, I would also use a pet that would catch, hold, or stun. Sithlids (you have to be BM) are my favorite, spiders, and dogs are the three that come to mind.

As far as targeting the person that is attacking you. I'm sure there is a macro out there you could use. I don't specifically have one. As soon as you get him targeted, send your pet after him.

If you have disengage, use it to try and get some distance from your attacker. Conclusive shot to slow him down, and even feign death will cause the attacker to lose you as a target and have to reselect you to continue. I have always been terrible with using our melee attacks to slow them down as well, but you do have wing clip at your disposal. Drop freezing trap to hopefully slow them and if you are kiting.. drop others while you are moving.

All in all though.. I found when playing on a PVP realm, you get attacked at the worst possible time, and most time without warning. Do what you can, but expect a lot of deaths from it. :-)
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Griffley wrote:Rhinos are great for escaping or throwing ppl or bridges.
The min level for a tameable rhino is 67, if I read correctly, the OP is 65, so no rhinos until they gain a couple of levels. And if the OP's not BM, then they can't tame one anyway.

When I pvp, I personally prefer pets that can keep my enemy at bay. I've found that timing the bat stun and intimidation can be fun as BM. Silithids are nice since you get fort and web. There's so many pets to choose from now. XD

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SylviaDragon wrote:well, im not sure what spec you are so ill just tell you a few that i have used for arena, bgs and world pvp.
if you are BM then when you hit 69:
Silidthid. great for kiting. they ave a verry nice number of skins and models to choose from. they give you a stam buff, they have a 5 second net with a dot on
Venom Web Spray lost its DoT with 4.0.1, last I checked. The name didn't change, which probably lead to some confusion.

Worth noting too is that a spider's Web and a Silithid's Venom Web Spray both have a 5 second duration and are ranged, while a dog's Lock Jaw and a crab's Pin both have a 4 second duration and are melee only. No differences in CD. Hence, silithid > spider >> dog ~ crab if you ask me. Can't say as I'm too terribly happy about the discrepancy.
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Thanks everyone, I appreciate all the input. I'm BM (don't know how I forgot to mention it before hehe), I've always wanted the rare ones ;)

I have experienced a LOT of deaths, it's very true they attack me at the worst possible moment, I don't think anyone near my level has *ever* attacked me when my pet wasn't already engaged with a mob, besides 80s when it doesn't matter anyway. ;)

I have 1 honorable kill at 65, and that was against an 80 in my 40s, my mom and I took her down and I got the kill shot, still I was proud of that one, she thought she was invincible, just kept harassing me. Then it turned into a huge battle in tanaris but that's another story.

I will get a couple levels and go for a Rhino and Silithid. Not the prettiest of pets but I'd like to stay alive. I do have a fox now and the hound, not gotten to test them out since I was getting attacked in groups after I hit 60. I assume that was no accident? At 65 I actually find people back away from me, haha. :D And I appreciate the macro, I figured there would be one but I'm not too good with those things.

I'm glad I finally got around to posting here, thanks again!
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I'd still rank the crab higher than the dog, just because tenacity pets get intervene and other cool abilities to help you survive.

That said, I'm happily running with my spider still. :)

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Just an FYI, Aeonix, exotic pets are not tameable until level 69 when you can get the last talent in the BM tree. I forgot about that when mentioning the lowest level rhino. So if you wish to use the BM only pets, you'll need to get leveling. =P

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TygerDarkstorm wrote:Just an FYI, Aeonix, exotic pets are not tameable until level 69 when you can get the last talent in the BM tree. I forgot about that when mentioning the lowest level rhino. So if you wish to use the BM only pets, you'll need to get leveling. =P

Good luck! :hug:

Thank you! :hug: I've been patiently waiting for each new talent point, getting closer. :D I was leveling really quickly until I got derailed the last couple of days, been skinning trying to get my leatherworking up which is very very behind.

And you know, I was just thinking, it's quite ironic, my main on the PvE server has around 500 honorable kills, I love WG and have the war bear. Yet on a PvP realm I can't kill anyone to save my life, literally. ;)

I will work at getting to 69! Maybe I can hang out in Zangar..it's been quiet there. ;)
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It's all situational, but a monkey is probably the best current pet for any random pvp situation and any hunter spec. Very surprised it wasn't mentioned yet.
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Good point Fran, to be honest, I totally forgot about monkeys. Their daze would be nice for any spec and the fact they throw poo is a plus! :lol:

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It's all in the wrists ;)

But yeah. That "bad manner" blind doesn't break on damage, and doesn't share dr with scatter shot. It's borderline overpowered and I'm not sure it's working as intended. But you can lock someone down for a very long time with that monkey and any hunter spec. I do believe it will share dr with intimidation, but I haven't specced BM because it's time to re-learn survival pvp :)

Either way, it's very, very powerful right now.
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Eurgh, it's not a daze, it's a blind that monkeys have. It's like scatter shot, only "ranged" because your monkey can go anywhere. It is supposed to break on damage, so if it's not, then it'll get fixed.

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Heya :D Welcome to the forums, Aeonix. Novel inc!

First thing I'd suggest, actually, is grabbing this addon, if you don't already have it:

http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addo ... s/spy.aspx

It's called Spy, and like others like it (Stalker and Paranoia, for example), it tells you as soon as an enemy player's picked up on combat logs and gives you a neat little display. It'll tell you the name, level, class and clicking the name will target them (when out of combat) assuming they aren't stealthed. This means that if a rogue or druid stealths, you'll know it, and possibly be better prepared. If you take the Stalker addon instead (also found at curse.com), it will also tell you the enemy's last action (i.e. Overkill or Master of Subtlety when a rogue stealths, or Prowl for a druid's stealth) and keep a list of kills vs deaths for each player.

Second, if you're going to be shooting some mobs, I'd leave a freezing trap under you on every cd. I can't tell you how many times something's Pounced or Cheap Shotted directly into a trap, and if you see your trap get disarmed you know it's time to recall pet. Feigning Death to make them lose target should give you time to set your pet on them and either Disengage or Wing Clip and strafe away. Randomly throwing flares about will put those stealthies on edge too--assuming you have flare at 65? I can't remember :lol:

Onto the topic at hand, pets--most have already been covered, but here's my personal take.

If you're levelling with a Tenacity pet, then as people said Crocolisks with their snare would be a good bet. Crabs still have a channeled root, too.

For Cunning, a Bird of Prey isn't a bad choice due to the disarm, though it won't help vs ferals. A Bat for the stun may be better (and the stun costs no focus--Bats are underrated imo), and ofc Spiders for the root are great. Once you can get Exotics, Silithids or Chimaeras are both amazing for kiting--and the Silithid gives an HP bonus to boot. (I actually prefer Chimaeras--once they get going, they can keep even a Paladin with Crusader Aura from escaping.)

For Ferocity, consider a Dog. The new root from them is quite good. It's the same thing a Crab gives, but they'll put out a good deal more damage than a crab will, allowing you to focus on kiting your enemy. Once you can get exotics, Spirit Beasts are, of course, amazing with their heal. Spirit Beasts are currently my go-to WPvP pet.

The talents you give them are important too; if you can get Intervene, Charge and Roar of Sacrifice on your Tenacity pet, Bullheaded and Mobility on your Cunning pet, or Bloodthirsty, Charge, Heart of the Phoenix and Lick Your Wounds on your Ferocity pet, you'll already have a pretty good advantage (and obviously Dash or Dive on every pet that can get it!).

If you're getting ganked while fighting mobs, hit Escape as soon as you are hit, so the enemy player's next hit makes you auto-target them, then send pet. If your pet's on passive, he'll ignore the mob and go straight to the player (I find that they're buggy recently when left on Defensive, although that's how I prefer them). If you get sapped while mounted, dismount (you can do this while sapped) so that your pet has a chance to defend you when the opener comes. If you know a rogue or druid's nearby, try to move away from mobs a bit and "sit down to drink," putting the pet on Aggressive; hopefully the pet will find it before it attacks.

Hopefully some of this is helpful to you, and here's hoping the jerks stop attacking!
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Nice reply, Acherontia; I'll need to look into that addon. The 'sit down to drink' suggestion is quite a clever ruse, too - wish I'd thought of that.

However, crocs have a slow instead of a snare, and it has a higher uptime than a chimaera's frost breath. As for the usefulness of chimaeras themselves, their AoE attack can be used out of combator in combat, keeps channeling when moving, and most of the focus cost get regen'd by the time it finishes channeling. In other words, it's a minesweeper of sorts that stealthers will learn to hate :)
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For Ferocity there are still wasps. Granted they can no longer prevent stealthing- but they have a 2 second stun [which should be buffed to 4 admitedly like monkeys tbh] and there are everal large models and wasps are usually quite large now- providing a buzzy, noisy pet for your foe to contend with.


I've actually had people run away from my wasps occasionally...
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