Why are people so spiteful towards server firsts?

[Ryai]

I find it funny you guys argue how they stay up hours to get this server first...Yet anyone of us will do the same to get a shiny rare pet. It all boils down to its the same number of pixels. They get achy, you get shiny pet.

No. Not anymore. Trying to camp for Skoll broke me. It broke me hard. Staying up for 16 hours+ per day for 3/4 days- crying when I never found even a body just drove me over the edge. Yes I want- but it's not worth my sanity. Northrend broke me for camping for rares like that. It's just NOT worth my health for pixels.

And then you mention exploits. Funny, really. Don't some of your special pets require exploits as well? You know, oil-stained wolf, flame pig, etc? They aren't meant to have them, yet you manage them anyway. Neither break the game, so it's okay.

It's funny that you bring it up. So tell me, how is a sparkle pig gaining advantage over someone without a sparkle pig? If you have any retired pet you are also an exploiter- why? Because you exploited the fact that Blizzard flagged the Basin ghost trio as beasts, and tameable. If you have Grimtotem wolf, again. Or oil wolf.

BUT WAIT! Are these pets adversely affecting the playtime as others? Did they help you advance in the game in any way shape or form? Do they give you more speed, more power, more gold, more anything? If the answer is no no no and no- as we're not talking about the dmg buff pets.

And you can't honestly believe that putting in about 15 minutes of worth/taming 50 or so creatures is really the same as CHEATING the game for an ACHIVEMENT? Can you? I mean any hunter can obtain the sparkle pets, they're not something you have to hack or expicitly cheat for.

So yeah. I dunno, but...You're not that different.

Well evidently you see sparkle pets as the same as cheating so I really can't help you there.

There's 'having a bit of harmless fun'- IE sparkle pets.

Then there's 'I'm going to break the game for my own enjoyment/empowerment'.

So yeah there is a difference, Azunara.

If Op got his/her achieve Legit, why should he/she be bothered by the real naysayers that didn't wanna put forth the effort? There's nothing wrong in taking pride in your real effort. So long as it's not unhealthily so. But you seem to be grouping the ones who hate the REAL CHEATERS [wether or not we even wanted the achieve or not] and grouping us up with the ones who say, are just QQing to QQ.

[Azunara]

My point is that sparkle pig doesn't change gameplay, and neither does having a shiny achievement.

And I really don't see how it matters that someone hit 85. Okay....So what? Fine. They cheated. How is them being 85 first break the game in anyway? Sparkle pets don't mess with the game, neither does them being 85.

[Tulune]

I simply do not understand the point of robotically chugging through the questing and exploring aspects of the game.. I don't understand how that could be fun at all. I take my time, read the quest details, explore the environment, pick fights with the opposing faction, etc. To each is own, but i don't really feel it it is much of an accomplishment.

[Ryai]

My point is that sparkle pig doesn't change gameplay, and neither does having a shiny achievement.

And I really don't see how it matters that someone hit 85. Okay....So what? Fine. They cheated. How is them being 85 first break the game in anyway? Sparkle pets don't mess with the game, neither does them being 85.

*facepalm*

You're not getting it, this is why Blizzard nerfed exp for wrath; they didn't want people power leveling thru wrath dungeons. It's why they also nerfed exp evidently from dungeons and quests because, again, they didn't want people able to powerlevelspamgrind to quickly. They wanted to give everyone a fair chance for the achievement.

Now- when you decide to basically go Screw the rules I have a whole guild willing to be my slaves to get me to 85! and basically pull hundreds of mobs onto you; and to expect A WHOLE GUILD to be backing you up and DPSing them down... you don't find that cheating? Or exploiting? Or breaking the game for others? Achievement or not Blizzard had it where you could NOT get exp from raids really, because of bullshit like that! They basically bent the game to their rules; if we can't get exp as a raid lets have one guy tag everything and then his whole guild powercrush them.

So I'm sorry you really can't see the difference between sparkly glitz and someone Really Abusing The Game.

[Sarayana]

Whether or not they get the achievement through exploits

So you mean it'd be fine for me to exploit the game and use it to my advantage when that's clearly against the ToS? ;D

My point is (admittedly in a convoluted sentence) that I don't care because I wasn't looking to get it before them. I don't care that some Joe Schmoe on my server got the server first level 85 anything, regardless how he did it, because it doesn't affect me in any way whatsoever. Just as Azu said, there are exploits that give you an edge in the game (like the world first LK kill where they abused the bug with the engineering bombs and thereby got the gear drops (aside from achievement and title, which don't affect gameplay) which directly affects their ability to perform) and there are exploits that don't. Sure, I'd love to see WoW without cheating, but... it's a game. Why on earth should I care about what someone else did when it doesn't affect me in the least?

Sure, you can make an argument about the slippery slope and all that, and I'm sure Blizz discusses that every day. I'm sure these things are at the forefront of their minds right now. But personally, as a player that couldn't give two flying craps about someone else's achievements (within the conditions I mentioned above), why should I?

[Ollof]

Watch the vid and then tell me you think he is a "bad" person.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcD5rQJONV4

Athene whatever you think of him was very thankful to the people that helped him. Did the work researching his hypothesis, Tested it in the Beta, Coordinated a group of FREINDS to assist (even a PvP team to take care of the gankers that never showed up), and pulled off a world first Level 85. Grats dude...grats.

Assumptions and haters be dammed it was not (in his case) Dungeon crawling mob tagging group dropping for 5 hours. Not only that; he talked about what else he does with his time....namely making stacks of cash playing poker.

ANYONE could have and can still do this.

[Turgus]

When I saw this topic, there are a few things that come to my mind.

First and foremost, did they break any Rules?

So what if someone ground out dungeons to get the server first <insert class here>?
Would it be cheating if you did that?

So what if they had stockpiled the mats they would need to level their <insert profession here> to max right after the expansion hit?
Would it be cheating if you did this?

So what if they were able to get a bunch of guild members to help them?
Is this considered cheating?

Maybe that is something they enjoy doing.
Maybe that is how they play the game.
Maybe the members of their guild wanted to help them out.

I think that feeling (jealousy, rage, etc) strongly about this issue is a sign of a need for self reflection.

Mainly, why are you feeling these things?
Take 5, and try to understand what is really going on.



Personally, I have to take my hat off to them.
They were the first to get it done, and as such deserve a bit of respect for it.

So if there are any people on the forums here that have a server first, Congrats!
Seriously, you deserve it!

[TygerDarkstorm]

When I saw this topic, there are a few things that come to my mind.

First and foremost, did they break any Rules?

So what if someone ground out dungeons to get the server first <insert class here>?
Would it be cheating if you did that?

So what if they had stockpiled the mats they would need to level their <insert profession here> to max right after the expansion hit?
Would it be cheating if you did this?

So what if they were able to get a bunch of guild members to help them?
Is this considered cheating?

Maybe that is something they enjoy doing.
Maybe that is how they play the game.
Maybe the members of their guild wanted to help them out.

I think that feeling (jealousy, rage, etc) strongly about this issue is a sign of a need for self reflection.

Mainly, why are you feeling these things?
Take 5, and try to understand what is really going on.



Personally, I have to take my hat off to them.
They were the first to get it done, and as such deserve a bit of respect for it.

So if there are any people on the forums here that have a server first, Congrats!
Seriously, you deserve it!

Agreed with this. Congrats to anyone who got a server first. ^_^

[Vephriel]

I'm also in the same mindset as Turgus.

[Tudyk]

Where did all the "exploiting" talk come from in the first place?

Grats to those folks on having better organization / planning skills than I will ever dream of having? =D

[Adam-Savage]

People like you are just enjoying the game in a different way, the only way i shake my head at such people is when they don't sleep for two days barely eat and don't allow them to go to the toilet more then twice a day. As lonbg as it's just a good bit of sport i'm fine with such people

This! Vast majority wont be 85 for another couple days so there is no rush. I'm maxed out in mining and eng. I can't however make the level 85 weapons yet because I'm waiting for people to level up there alc and get to 85 as they need the new type of orb. (Think frozen orb)

[Sorcha Ravenlock]

Where did all the "exploiting" talk come from in the first place?

This comes from Athene (who was the first to ding 80 in WotlK) having exploited a bug in dungeons, which in the end led to him being banned, stripped of his gear and his 10 levels by Blizz.

[Redith]

Staying up for 30 hours straight is NOT healthy at all. Not eating and drinking pure energy drinks to stay awake is NOT healthy either.

No its not. But tell that to my fellow sailors; that do it all the time, in FAR more dangerous environments and they will just tell you it is just a way of life.

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Ok I was going to stay out of this because I didnt care until I saw this.
Dude yha sometimes sailors HAD to stay awake sometimes 30 plus hours, but that doesnt mean its a good idea. Even the people who are NOT grinding for firsts who play that long are still being dumb. Navy sailors sometimes have to be sleep deprived because of thier job.
WOW is a game.

[Warfish]

What I'm finding dissapointing, is how fast the 5 levels seem to go for most. Even I (a VERY slow leveler) am already midpoint to 82 with very little Cata time played.

Seems more and more than the destination (max level) is the game, and the trip (leveling) is being made as fast as possible. Kind of a shame, actually.

[Sarayana]

What I'm finding dissapointing, is how fast the 5 levels seem to go for most. Even I (a VERY slow leveler) am already midpoint to 82 with very little Cata time played.

Seems more and more than the destination (max level) is the game, and the trip (leveling) is being made as fast as possible. Kind of a shame, actually.

I know what you mean. I dinged 81 with hardly any effort (and it certainly wasn't from extra exp from gathering, considering that I only managed to snag one node in my entire play time so far!). I've played Sara perhaps 4-5 hours total since the expac, including time just putzing in the new zones and doing archeology and such, and she's halfway to 82! Wrath didn't go by that fast, did it?

On the other hand, I don't feel like I'm being jibbed on content. There's a LOT of it, it's a lot more engaging than ever before, and I know once I hit 85 I'll continue until I've done everything. I'll also be doing my professions, level up archeology, and work on my alts (including my army of <lvl 10s that are calling for me to level them ) so while the leveling might be faster, I'm sure the content of Cataclysm will keep me engrossed in the game for years!

/end derail

[Lisaara]

Staying up for 30 hours straight is NOT healthy at all. Not eating and drinking pure energy drinks to stay awake is NOT healthy either.

No its not. But tell that to my fellow sailors; that do it all the time, in FAR more dangerous environments and they will just tell you it is just a way of life.

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Ok I was going to stay out of this because I didnt care until I saw this.
Dude yha sometimes sailors HAD to stay awake sometimes 30 plus hours, but that doesnt mean its a good idea. Even the people who are NOT grinding for firsts who play that long are still being dumb. Navy sailors sometimes have to be sleep deprived because of thier job.
WOW is a game.

Thank you. You said what I was going to say. There's a huge difference between your job(and if you're at war...your life) and a video game. Should never compare the two.

[Turgus]

When I was in the military, I would stay up long hours, not just because the work had me up, but because there was stuff I wanted to do.
I wouldn't go to sleep until what I wanted to do was accomplished.
Which made for some long days.

What is wrong with that?

I look at this in the same way.
So what is being a little sleep deprived if you get what you want to get accomplished?
Who am I to say what someone "should" or "should not" do with their time?
So what if it is "just" a video game?

Life is a fatal condition, you aren't going to get out of alive.
So you might as well do whatever you can, while you can.

[Ollof]

What is wrong with that?

Nothing

I find it funny that when I point out that some people regularly get very little sleep it is “not a valid point” because it is “work related”. So what now? People who work long days cannot play wow for a few hours at the end of that day because it might cut in to other people’s perception of what is or is not healthy. On the flip side someone that does not need to work or can’t work or TOOK TIME OFF from work can’t play a game (they pay for) endlessly for 24-48 hours?

Give me a break.

Also you might want to check in to the Uberman's sleep schedule. Maximize your REM cycle and shrink the time needed for “healthy” living.

High Horses should be sent to the glue factory.

[Turgus]

High Horses should be sent to the glue factory.

I agree.
That was supposed to be my point, lol

Personally, I really don't care what "unhealthy" habits someone has, heck, we all have them!
Unless of course it affects my health. (smoking, etc)
Life is too darn short!



My two cents on the matter.

[Bulletdance]

I don't know, I always think its because people are rushing through the game and not enjoying it properly. But then again that might just be how they enjoy it with all the competition.