Cobvra or steady shot in rotations??

[Ana]

As the topic says im in doubt...

WHen i test it on the dummies, in BM spec using cobra shots gives more dps, but in survival it gives less...
Just curious if i tested it wrong. Want to know what your experiences are.

[Ryai]

As the topic says im in doubt...

WHen i test it on the dummies, in BM spec using cobra shots gives more dps, but in survival it gives less...
Just curious if i tested it wrong. Want to know what your experiences are.

I'm thinking it's the fact it might just be SV's more faffy rotation- IE you have to do normal rotation and fling traps at targets to set off/trigger Lock n Load. So neccesarily it might not be Cobra Shot itself.

You should check recount specifically to see if Cobra Shot itself is doing less damage as SV.

[Ana]

i never cared for rotations just press buttoms.. why i choose survival over mm
seams to work for me.. im lvl 82 crappy gear and around 6-8k in a dungoen depending on crits and long figts

[Naiaara]

I use cobra in BM, and then steady in MM. I haven't tried surv.

[Kalliope]

Survival is a more disciplined rotation than all that, so mashing buttons isn't going to yield high dps as surv. Cobra shot *is* what you should be using as survival.

[TygerDarkstorm]

Mashing buttons is more of a BM thing, in my opinion. Just make sure you mash KC on cooldown and AS and CoS as fillers in between while using CoS to keep SrS refreshed. If you're just mashing buttons as survival then, no offense, you're probably hurting your dps a little.

[Ryai]

8k dps is kinda.. low for Survival- I pulled 7/8k dps as BM with Worm's insane AoE. Granted I had the AoE but burrow most likely makes up for the fact MM and SV can both lay on the hurt with AoE when it's needed.

So yeah I have to say;

Button mash specc fior the most part is BM. Aslong as you keep Cobra Shot to keep SS up [tho part of me wonders if an initial 2 row steady for the MM talent of +haste would be worth it..?] and press Kill Command every time it is available- every time! OVER ARCANE SHOT as BM.. you can get away with hiccuping a little here and there and still turn out decent numbers.

MM: Is a bit forgiving, but not as much as MM. You have to weave a rotation too- especially with SS+[imp]Aimed Shot and Multishot

SV is the specc where ROTATION MATTERS. it is NOT a button smashing specc, I have to say, and it never was anymore once Wrath came out. You have to weave shots and cooldowns along with traps and procs to bring out the most of the specc. It's why Blizzard hurdurdled over boosting SV's dps initially.

Now I'm off to ARCHEOLOGY OUT.

[Ana]

i DO have bm as offspec.. but there i only pull around 4k Ill try taking cobra into my survial rotation.. last dungone with steady i did 9k in overall dps... i was the highest dps too.. Is 9k really that bad?

[Ryai]

well with the fact you could probably/should be pulling 10k [if your gear is some of the best endgame had to offer from wrath or better IE 5kGS min/6k GS lol gearscore], the lost 1k is probably due to you just button smashing and not doing a proper rotation.

[Ana]

well with the fact you could probably/should be pulling 10k [if your gear is some of the best endgame had to offer from wrath or better IE 5kGS min/6k GS lol gearscore], the lost 1k is probably due to you just button smashing and not doing a proper rotation.

never had the best gear endgame from wrath just look at my gear http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/d ... alk/simpleand lost of 1k dps meh :p im just happy i can do 9k without thinking about rotations

I always quest in bm and do dungeons in survival.. but use the same gear

[TygerDarkstorm]

BM and SV don't require different gearsets anymore like they did in Wrath, and even there you could get away with the same gear if you really wanted.

If you don't mind that you're potentially gimping your dps by just smashing buttons, then by all means go for it in dungeons if it makes you happy; that's what the game's about. However, if you ever look into serious/semi-serious raiding, you will need to learn a rotation for SV. Otherwise, just do what makes you happy.

[Minifig]

Can't you use both in the rotation or do they share a cooldown?

[Comett]

I'm not positive here, but I think steady gives more focus than cobra. I play MM/BM, and there's really no point in using cobra shot in MM as our main move (which we should use whenever possible) refreshes serpent sting. In BM, though, I find it very useful to cast a cobra and then steadies instead of straight steadies when my serpent sting has one quarter of the buff icon to go (if I don't have rapid fire popped etc etc so haste is low, but that's up to personal discretion).

So generally my BM ability preference would be
wrath -> kill command -> kill shot -> serpent sting -> arcane -> cobra -> steady

I've by no means affirmed this rotation or spec at all, nor have I really bothered dummy testing it yet (want to get all those pets tamed before the masses his 85!). My MM spec is similar though with Chimera shot instead of Kill Command and no cobra shot included.

As a note, I personally find MM a very precise spec to play - if you don't hit each button in the right order at the right time your dps can struggle - while BM, I find, is a very freelance, fun spec to work with as long as you spam Kill Command whenever you can.

[Kalliope]

Depending on your spec, you can talent to have steady/cobra return more focus to you. If this talent is present in one spec and not the other, you'll definitely see a difference.

[Mcnugget]

i got Bm spec and using steady shot coes with the talent in focus fire +improve steady shot you can keep up +30% attack speed

[Rikaku]

Cobra Shot is definitely something I use in the BM rotation and would recommend it likewise. I found BM kinda clunky until Cobra shot came into play

So generally my BM ability preference would be
wrath -> kill command -> kill shot -> serpent sting -> arcane -> cobra -> steady

Mines similar but would look more like this.
wrath -> kill command -> kill shot -> serpent sting -> arcane -> cobra

If you have Cobra shot, there is no real need (as a BM) for you to even touch Steady imho. Cobra shot regenerates Serp. Sting, which means if you keep up Cobra shot, you're regenning focus and refreshing serp. sting. I use the Glyph's of Kill Shot (2 KS's if the boss doesn't die from first KS) and Arcane Shot (+12% more dmg). So far I really can't justify Steady Shot because of the glyph ONLY because Steady Shot doesn't refresh Serp Sting, which is minor but heavily helps in having a not-so-clunky rotation.

And again, I dunno anything about SV/MM sorry. XD

[Ryno]

Elitist jerks, last time I read it, was saying

BM/SV = Corbra

MMS = Steady Shot

Mostly I think because some MMS talents boost steady shot.

[Ryai]

So far I really can't justify Steady Shot because of the glyph ONLY because Steady Shot doesn't refresh Serp Sting, which is minor but heavily helps in having a not-so-clunky rotation.

I am still wondering if Steady could be worth it- Cobra only refreshes SS back to a 21 sec duration. Meaning anything more is well a waste tbh.

So could do Cobra-steady-steady-cobra if you have the MM talent for steady to boost haste. But idk I've not tested it out for myself really.