I think I'm entirely done with the Alliance...

[TygerDarkstorm]

The sniffing is pretty god damn horrible. I've always played with my sounds on because I react better that way, but if I actually play my fem worgen hunter, I think I may have to play her with the sounds off. I can't think of any other race that emotes out loud when it's idle and I'd prefer if they took the disgusting noise away from worgen too.

As to the female model itself...it's wonky. I can't get over their bedroom eyes (not sure how they have time to apply make-up in a split second shift), or even the fact that their eyes don't match the male worgen whatsoever. They tried to go too human with their heads and ended up with a Chihuahua like look; the males have a much more werewolf-like head. I can live with the hair.

I hate their big square butts and prego bellies and I'm not entirely sure why Blizzard can't see that glaring flaw, but eh. Like I said before, I'll still play one off and on because I have a storyline rolled out for one, but I'll be damn glad that the only thing I'll see of it is its backside most of the time because I grimace every time I see their face and that impossible "snarl."

[Rhyela]

I think the biggest problem I have is that there aren't any options. I know there are people who like it, but there are also (a lot of) people who don't. If they had let people who like the giant humanoid doe eyes choose to have them, fine. If we had been able to keep or lose the "snarl" (if that's what they're calling it), fine. If they had had a couple of face options where the eyes were smaller and glowy like the males, fine. But they didn't give us any options whatsoever. What we see is what we get. THAT is the main problem, I think. We got a billion different face patterns, but it's the facial structure that people have vastly differing opinions on. Goblins can choose to have giant ears, small ears, big noses, little noses, piercings here or piercings there. Even the male worgen got different facial features to an extent. They all look snarling, but the wrinkles are different and the eyes are different, etc. The females have one facial feature option with a few different colors. That's it. And that, my friends, is what bothers me the most. If nothing else, I think everyone could at least agree that we deserve to be able to choose whether we want our female snarling or not, or have big doe eyes or not. If we want sexy, we should be able to choose sexy. If we want feral and visceral, we should be able to choose. But trying to combine all three (cute, sexy, vicious) just didn't work out so well for most people.

Let us, your paying customers, decide!

Edit: And yeah, I wholly agree on the body model itself. Well, the whole model, actually. It has a very beta-esque look to it. Incomplete, if you will, and the fact that we are stuck with essentially one option makes it even worse.

[TygerDarkstorm]

I think the biggest problem I have is that there aren't any options. I know there are people who like it, but there are also (a lot of) people who don't. If they had let people who like the giant humanoid doe eyes choose to have them, fine. If we had been able to keep or lose the "snarl" (if that's what they're calling it), fine. If they had had a couple of face options where the eyes were smaller and glowy like the males, fine. But they didn't give us any options whatsoever. What we see is what we get. THAT is the main problem, I think. We got a billion different face patterns, but it's the facial structure that people have vastly differing opinions on. Goblins can choose to have giant ears, small ears, big noses, little noses, piercings here or piercings there. Even the male worgen got different facial features to an extent. They all look snarling, but the wrinkles are different and the eyes are different, etc. The females have one facial feature option with a few different colors. That's it. And that, my friends, is what bothers me the most. If nothing else, I think everyone could at least agree that we deserve to be able to choose whether we want our female snarling or not, or have big doe eyes or not. If we want sexy, we should be able to choose sexy. If we want feral and visceral, we should be able to choose. But trying to combine all three (cute, sexy, vicious) just didn't work out so well for most people.

Let us, your paying customers, decide!

Edit: And yeah, I wholly agree on the body model itself. Well, the whole model, actually. It has a very beta-esque look to it. Incomplete, if you will, and the fact that we are stuck with essentially one option makes it even worse.

Agreed with you fully Rhyela.
My biggest complaint is the lack of options. Hell, I'd love it if I could customize my human separately from my worgen like they originally said, but that, unfortunately, didn't happen. Oh well. I could live with the human and worgen customization being tied together if they just gave us more options on the worgen in the first place. Actual, worgen-esque ears would be nice (not goblin ones), and the choice between faces and eyes.

[SgtMakkie]

Welcome to dark side!!! <muahh>

People are free to voice their views and opinions, if you don't agree with them fine. But the only person who can tell someone to not view their opinion on this forum is Mania! So please take a good look at your nick, if it don't say Mania … well you're all a smart bunch xD

[Royi]

Welcome to dark side!!! <muahh>

People are free to voice their views and opinions

I agree. Goblins are just so much cuter! Anyways if you are comparing the two new races

[Umbriel of Halaa]

I think I'd dislike female worgen less if I didn't know they were a playable model, were a Cataclysm race, or were supposed to be worgen.

[Felidire]

Mainly the females are hideous. the males are awkward and lurky and "ugly", reminds me of older troll models.

The horde faction mostly consists of individuals who either have:
A) Green skin,
B) two toes,
C) keratin sticking out of their face,
D) Rotting flesh, or
E) a combination of the four.
You can't exactly call Alliance "ugly" when you play one of those.

Actually.. every single female on the alliance side seems to be /made/ to look good. (and when I say "good" - I mean dolled up to the extent of looking just plain wrong - in the case of female worgens.) Wish I could share your enthusiasm, but doubt I could ever make the transition over to horde, I don't like their motives and/or personalities. The only orc that I like is Thrall, who comes off more as a human (probably because he was raised by humans.)

Goblins = Money-driven & greedy by nature.
Undead = Selfish, deletirious, destructive (and moldy!) D:
Blood elves = Selfish, destructive, obsessive meth magic addicts
Orcs = Aggressive, destructive, hateful, warmongering. (destroying ashenvale.)
Tauren = Good, they don't belong with the horde.
Troll = Same as tauren.

The latter two are only there because the orcs happened to be in the area to help them out, and the trolls practically got kicked out anyways.. Tauren, Night elves, Trolls and Worgen all belong together in their own faction. Not saying that it's a good idea, but they all have the same mentality and share very similar motives, half are animals, half keep to themselves, and the majority of them respect nature to some degree. (The worgen are already sharing Teldrassil, with the only other seclusive race that exists in the game; who are also the least likely playable race to invite outsiders into their community.)

[Ryai]

Mainly the females are hideous. the males are awkward and lurky and "ugly", reminds me of older troll models.

The horde faction mostly consists of individuals who either have:
A) Green skin,
B) two toes,
C) keratin sticking out of their face,
D) Rotting flesh, or
E) a combination of the four.
You can't exactly call Alliance "ugly" when you play one of those.

I beg to differ. Applecore, my Undead priest looks Drop dead gorgeous in her heirloom set. And Rashika makes anything look good, and for an Orc that takes skill!

There's also the fact that you know they can actually walk with a decent gate, even undead males can actually take two steps forward without tossing their arms exageratedly to and fro like some kind of mr Hyde/Gorilla impersonator.

Actually.. every single female on the alliance side seems to be /made/ to look good. (and when I say "good" - I mean dolled up to the extent of looking just plain wrong - in the case of female worgens.) Wish I could share your enthusiasm, but doubt I could ever make the transition over to horde, I don't like their motives and/or personalities. The only orc that I like is Thrall, who comes off more as a human (probably because he was raised by humans.)

You mean you don't like cows? How can you like cows! Tauren are win!

You make cows sad. *points at sad cows*

Goblins = Money-driven & greedy by nature.
Undead = Selfish, deletirious, destructive (and moldy!) D:
Blood elves = Selfish, destructive, obsessive meth magic addicts
Orcs = Aggressive, destructive, hateful, warmongering. (destroying ashenvale.)
Tauren = Good, they don't belong with the horde.
Troll = Same as tauren.

I could go around and make a list;

Gnomes: Materialist and Egotisitical to the extreme. Have a rampant disregard for surroundings/others or dangers.
Dwarves: Get drunk. Fall over.- Actually, honestly, Dwarves aren't so bad. They don't belong with the alliance
Night Elves: Tend to be egotistical, higher than thou and extreme hippies who also believe their goddess got it on with a white stag. They also screwed the rules when they made Teldrassil. And most seem to be having troubles with Xenophobia.
Humans: Are descended from Vykrul if I remember right. Vykrul are evil so humans are evil too.
Draenei: Space goats who should be hated by the entire world for being related to eradar/looking like eradar but being space goats everyone loved them. Because it was either that or have them crash into Azeroth again.
Worgen: Rabid Hairy Vykrul humans.

The latter two are only there because the orcs happened to be in the area to help them out, and the trolls practically got kicked out anyways..

Yes and you know there's more of a reason to this than you aknowledge. Thrall and his few men basically SAVED THE ENTIRE TAUREN RACE. Do you think Cairne would be all bitch plz and drop the horde? No. That's why he's dead. Because he didn't agree with what Garrosh was doing to the horde and bleeping Magatha used it to her advantage.

The trolls are also loyal to Thrall/love Thrall because basically HE DID THE SAME FOR THEM. Don't you ever hear the screeching the sea witch does? Thrall was evidently keeping them safe and with him gone and the Darkspear back to the isles, she thought she could take them down.

Besides what would humans have done in Thrall's place!? Humans for the most part were keeping orcs as slaves and fighting them to the death because they weren't 'human' basically. What do you think they'd have done to trolls, let alone Tauren.

Tauren, Night elves, Trolls and Worgen all belong together in their own faction. Not saying that it's a good idea, but they all have the same mentality and share very similar motives, half are animals, half keep to themselves, and the majority of them respect nature to some degree. (The worgen are already sharing Teldrassil, with the only other seclusive race that exists in the game; who are also the least likely playable race to invite outsiders into their community.)

Trolls don't like Night Elves and Vice Versa for the most part afaik. Night Elves are also only doing this for the Worgen because of Retconned lore thanks to the Worgen Curse actually starting from crazy night elf druids who followed Lo'Gosh if I remember right and went all Wolfish for their forms and stayed that way. And then went insane. And rabid. And stuff. So the night elves are taking care of the worgen because well it's their mess what else are they gonna do with it.

And as much as Vol'jin hates Garrosh- he's not gonna abandon the horde. Not entirely. He won't betray Thrall like that; and Blaine won't either.

That and you know with the alliance having helped the Grimtotem, I doubt Blaine would even look in the general direction of the alliance without a snarl of disgust.

Tauren aren't Animals btw. And Worgen don't count as animals as they are just rabid Vykrul.

[Royi]

so what if i'm a necropheliac? i ain't judging...

Weren't trolls originally outcasted Elves?

[Felidire]

You mean you don't like cows? How can you like cows! Tauren are win!

You make cows sad. *points at sad cows*

I never said that, Tauren are one of the few that I actually do like.

I could go around and make a list;

I actually wanted someone to make a list, tbh. Dwarves definately belong in the alliance, right next to humans, that's why a lot of Dwarves and Human NPCs are friends and a lot of them drink. I don't think nightelves belong in there because they don't go well with gnomes (BEM where the nightelves kicked the gnomes out of their town); Dwarves tend to be too fun-loving, they drink, hunt beasts for the heck of it, and have the tendency to dig stuff up and disturb nature; when humans first came to Kalimdor the nightelves hated their guts. -- I don't really like Draenei, but I don't see why people should dislike them because for the most part they're a very spiritual, charitable, and kind race. Gnomes and goblins are very similar, just gnomes aren't money-obsessed and don't blow themselves up.. as frequently... (I always specialize my engineering characters as goblin, though. I love their explosives.)

Yes and you know there's more of a reason to this than you aknowledge. Thrall and his few men basically SAVED THE ENTIRE TAUREN RACE. Do you think Cairne would be all bitch plz and drop the horde? No. That's why he's dead. Because he didn't agree with what Garrosh was doing to the horde and bleeping Magatha used it to her advantage.

Well at least the alliance has good leaders who are left in charge. Bolvar was great! But unfortunately your undead went all renegade and suffocated him, then dragons incinerated him, then his altered remains were taken into ICC and tortured; after all of that he sacrificed what was left of himself in order to save everyone - including the horde - and demanded that no one know of his sacrifice. (I don't know any member of the horde who would have done that, I mean an orc gets left in charge and he ends up killing one of the greatest horde leaders that ever existed, and then he exiles the other.. Epic fail? If the orcs weren't racist then they wouldn't have had any problem with Vol'jin being in charge.)

Besides what would humans have done in Thrall's place!? Humans for the most part were keeping orcs as slaves and fighting them to the death because they weren't 'human' basically. What do you think they'd have done to trolls, let alone Tauren.

Historically, things like that happened all the time in real life, they're humans, unfortunately that's what humans do.. On the other hand, orcs did the same thing; they took two of my favourite characters captive ("Varian" and "Broll") and forced them to fight. Here's one of my favouritest quotes in the game:

"King Varian Wrynn says: I've waited a long time for this, Thrall. For every time I was thrown into one of your damned arenas... for every time I killed a green-skinned aberration like you... I could only think of one thing. What our world could be without you and your twisted Horde..."

(From my point of view the orcs don't even belong on that planet, they're very lucky to be there right now as opposed to being enslaved & corrupted; despite that fact, they're still bent on dominating and overturning stormwind. Perhaps if orcs weren't 90% responsible for ruining Varian's life, then the two factions would be neutral or even friendly right now!) =P

Night Elves are also only doing this for the Worgen because of Retconned lore thanks to the Worgen Curse actually starting from crazy night elf druids who followed Lo'Gosh if I remember right and went all Wolfish for their forms and stayed that way. And then went insane. And rabid. And stuff. So the night elves are taking care of the worgen because well it's their mess what else are they gonna do with it.

Well I blame Arugal's for summoning 'em, after the night elves locked them away... (Although they seem to lock everything away.. Worgens.. Illidans... and their prisoners always become set loose and cause even more problems.)

Tauren aren't Animals btw. And Worgen don't count as animals as they are just rabid Vykrul.

We're all animals.. Humans are animals, and that means Taurens are definately animals! XD

[Andine]

so what if i'm a necropheliac? i ain't judging...

Er... ok, cool. Your mileage may vary, I guess.

Trolls aren't any closer to "good" than orcs. Trolls are savage dark magicians or crazy berserkers. They aren't any good either.
Of course, Orc or Troll can still be a good person... but if I lived on Azeroth, I would never make friends with an Orc. Not because of race - because he would deem me weak and stupid (stupid for not killing ones who should be my enemy), and even if I was in the same faction (so he wasn't trying to kill me on sight), the dude would still believe might makes right - so, say, rape victims are to be blamed for rape - because they weren't strong enough to defend themselves. Really, that's how Orcs usually think. Trolls just think if they can eat the stuff that's standing before them, so I, a vegetarian, won't make a friend with one either.

EDIT: And apparently forums censore the word for sexual assault (the one beginning with "r", you know which one) as "assault", for whatever reason.

[Mr. Perfect]

Tauren, Night elves, Trolls and Worgen all belong together in their own faction. Not saying that it's a good idea, but they all have the same mentality and share very similar motives, half are animals, half keep to themselves, and the majority of them respect nature to some degree. (The worgen are already sharing Teldrassil, with the only other seclusive race that exists in the game; who are also the least likely playable race to invite outsiders into their community.)

I support this initiative. Long live the Noble Treehugging Tophatted Marleys!

[Ryai]

I support this initiative. Long live the Noble Treehugging Tophatted Marleys!

You do know Worgen aren't hugging those trees... right?

We're all animals.. Humans are animals, and that means Taurens are definately animals! XD

No, no we're not. If we were animals we wouldn't be doing anything we are today. Humans just have a sense of right/wrong. They can choose based off of more than instincts and 'genetic memory'. You can argue that animals are smart and all that but when it comes down to it, Animals do alot of things that we would not. Which is why while humans may be 'animals' we are not 'animals'. Basically it's hard to explain and if I tried to describe it anymore not only would I be going so far off topic it would border nc-17 and well yeah.

Historically, things like that happened all the time in real life, they're humans, unfortunately that's what humans do.. On the other hand, orcs did the same thing; they took two of my favourite characters captive ("Varian" and "Broll") and forced them to fight. Here's one of my favouritest quotes in the game:

That's not the point. You completely missed my point. What would humans, in general, during the time that Thrall was off in kalimdor and all that saving trolls and tauren from burnination extinction, have done? I don't think most would have kindly gone up and helped them. They most likely would have seen monsters and demons and etc. And perhaps if it was an orc like Garrosh they'd have been doomed anyways.

It's BECAUSE SPECIFICALLY it was Thrall, that they are horde. If Thrall had been alliance instead of horde and had the same upbringing, perhaps instead tauren and troll would replace night elf and gnome for alliance, but, alas, Thrall was horde and the two races are pretty much indebted to him.

I actually wanted someone to make a list, tbh. Dwarves definately belong in the alliance, right next to humans, that's why a lot of Dwarves and Human NPCs are friends and a lot of them drink. I don't think nightelves belong in there because they don't go well with gnomes (BEM where the nightelves kicked the gnomes out of their town); Dwarves tend to be too fun-loving, they drink, hunt beasts for the heck of it, and have the tendency to dig stuff up and disturb nature; when humans first came to Kalimdor the nightelves hated their guts. -- I don't really like Draenei, but I don't see why people should dislike them because for the most part they're a very spiritual, charitable, and kind race. Gnomes and goblins are very similar, just gnomes aren't money-obsessed and don't blow themselves up.. as frequently... (I always specialize my engineering characters as goblin, though. I love their explosives.)

My list was basically the same as yours tbh, listing off most of the problems with the races- ergo nightelves seem to have an extreme xenophobia caused about by their extreme hippiness. They were also told not to create Teldrassil, but did so anyways. Humans are descended from Vykrul which are for the most part an excessively cruel and brutal race that make anything humans did to orcs mere childs-play. Draenei are related to Eradar/look like Eradar or however it's spelled. Meaning- most races that know of the burning legion should be TERRIFIED of them at first or NOT TRUSTING them as much as Azuremist/Bloodmyst was. Seriously. Go quest there. Hey friends, you look like demons but here you'll be friendly with us all!. Also did you see the ridiculous offshoot rep? Stormwind, Gnomer, Dwarf and Darn. Wow. You start up a blood elf and you actually have to prove yourself to the horde.

All races have bad qualities, as well as good. If you're gonna make a list you shouldn't turn a blind eye to the bad qualities. So what if blood elves for the most part are selfish. They have a right to be as they were nearly wiped off the face of the earth thanks to Arthas. They then are humiliated that they have to basically kiss ass to the horde to keep a place in there. There only true alliance to start off with is the forsaken which tbh should be made up of undead humans and belves but eh what can you do.

Besides you make it out that Tauren are basically the same as night elves when no they aren't, they aren't like Trolls either. afaik Tauren don't like what trolls do, with the darker magics, I'm a bit hazy on this as I've not really read-read it for a while. So Tauren and Troll would most likely never be buddy buddy, as Troll and Night elf would never be buddy buddy, As well you're being very selective about what you aknowledge about the trolls and it's not just all hippy shamanism and chilling with the world.

BUT.

TL;DR;

This thread was never about the whole entirety of the alliance, just the fact OP never felt any real love for the alliance races and only liked gnomes. And to be fair the comment about the worgen was mostly correct as the models are somewhat outlandish and just make me flinch and wince. Along with the sniffing. I'm not sure I'll be able to roll one.

The Op just doesn't like alliance. And to be fair- when I first started the game I never liked alliance either. My first toon was a cow. My second a belf, and my reliable third after the belves, was an orc. I was just horde 4 lief. Sure I have made ally toons but only after I learned how nice they are.

My only distaste is well how petty your list was and how you also over looked the darker sides of the races you tried to class as '110% all good'.

[Ana]

I really wanted a female goblin... until i saw their nose!! TO me that ruined the goblin... and the male goblin... shiver

and i agree with you regarding the female worgen form...

i wont be starting any of the new races this time

/wait for pandarans

[Saturo]

I really wanted a female goblin... until i saw their nose!! TO me that ruined the goblin... and the male goblin... shiver :P

and i agree with you regarding the female worgen form...

i wont be starting any of the new races this time

/wait for pandarans

Actually, there are several good noses for the goblins. Not all of them are hideous. :P

[Umbriel of Halaa]

Actually, there are several good noses for the goblins. Not all of them are hideous.

Yeah, this. The "ears" option changes the shape of the goblin's nose and chin as well, not to mention any piercings that she might have.

[TygerDarkstorm]

Actually, there are several good noses for the goblins. Not all of them are hideous.

Yeah, this. The "ears" option changes the shape of the goblin's nose and chin as well, not to mention any piercings that she might have.

I love the female goblin ear/nose/piercing customization thing. I was able to create a sort of punk-rockish looking priest on beta that I duplicated to live and I love it. And my goblin shaman will have the nose option with the bone sticking through it since that seems shaman-y.

[Rhyela]

Overall I'm a LOT more pleased with the customization available to the goblins than for the worgen. Even the worgen males really don't have a whole lot of customization going for them. They have what...five faces, and five skin colors? A few hairstyles. And what's with some of the facial hair being white, regardless of what your fur color is? Is that a glitch? It looks really weird. And the females...one face option with I believe I counted 14 patterns, and a few skin options. I dunno, it just seems like you can't customize worgen nearly as well as you can other races, or even as much as the goblins.

I wonder if maybe Blizz had so much on their plate with all the new content and class re-vamping and such that they couldn't dedicate as much time to the new races as they normally would have. I know it's a very long shot, but hopefully these two new races get re-visited in a future patch and more customization is given to bring them more in line with the other races.

[TygerDarkstorm]

This is going to sound kind of dumb, but I remember being incredibly disappointed finding out on beta that the worgen had no solid white fur color, but they have solid black and variations in between--even the tauren have an all white fur option. The reason I wanted an all white worgen was for the original idea of a hunter I had for one; a white worgen and all white pets (I know I could do it with a tauren instead, but I don't really want to play a tauren hunter and really wanted a worgen one).

I scrapped the little bit of story I had started for an all white worgen and decided to do an all black worgen with white pets and base her off a yin and yang theme. You still can't even technically have an all black worgen as every "face variation" has some form of white on it, and I believe there's a white patch on their chests regardless of skin color, but I settled anyways.

[Umbriel of Halaa]

The black worgen skin isn't even black. It's kind of smoky gray.