Crappy Groups

[Vespias]

And yes, two posts on that cause nothing yanks my chain more than the de-evolution this game has gone through!

[Kastarakovski]

It's funny shit when you get those people so hung up on gearscore and dps in a 5-man that they honestly forget that you are playing the game to have FUN...and that Misdirection is a dangerous tool in the arsenal of a ticked-off hunter.

So, went into a 5-man about ten minutes ago, which I left after MD'ing the healer during the wave encounter in that all-too-painful Icecrown instance that I dislike so very, very much on both my toons. Trouble is, healer deserved it for being a rude little bastich. In fact, I'm stunned I honestly took crap from this entire group, but hubby is ill tonight and my tolerance for f-word spewing jackasses seems to be high lately.

I normally do the meet n' greet and just focus on doing my job. Seems meet n' greet was an issue for these bastards, same guild, Mug'Thol. One name stood out that I recognised from WoWJackass.com - Feardread. I personally thought "Oh $h!7...this could get interesting." And it did. Bastich got impatient because I was lagging slightly. Stopped healing me. Let me die quite a number of times on trash just to prove his point. He's acting allll smug in party chat to his guild buddies. I'm sitting there thinking, "you know you little shit, I am still a hunter, I am still in command of MD, and I WILL F your shit up if you continue this crap..."

So, we get to the all-important wave encounter where Jaina, Uther and Arthas have that lovely little reunion thing. I don't MD the tank just to be safe, after the healer's let me die so many times, I'm saving that spell for someone deserving of it. Feardread's screaming in party that I'm not getting one of the stray mobs off of him. I ignore his pleas until he's almost dead, then I send Drach to deal with the mob. Of his health, Drach saves his butt with around 650HP remaining. He goes off at me in party, calling me F this and F that and F your F'ing Mother F'er, and he's so busy showing off his swearing skills to his laughing buddies none of them are paying any attention that the next wave has started...

And that little angelic voice of conscience is saying to me: "I agree with the devil, MD his @$$!"

Priest gets the MD, and every mob turns on him, he cops a crit to the face, and dies. Tank struggles to pick everything up, warlock's screaming his void's F'd, mage is dead in two hits. I feigned death after MD'ing the priest. Stunned silence in party chat. They were not expecting me to FD. They had said earlier that they believed I didn't even know what FD was and were laughing the entire time in Party Chat. Big effing surprise to these jerkoffs =D

So my words before I left were "Thanks for not noticing you were MD'd, Feardread. What gets me is that, even as a priest, you can right-click that shit off and yet you didn't. Too busy parading your dick as if it counted as your answer for everything. Well, I'm alive, and you guys are dead. This "Huntard" just got the last laugh, fuckers!" And I left party.

Normally I just right-click and ignore...but after reading about this prick and knowing what he was capable of doing? It'll probably never happen again, but that was so sweet.

So very, VERY sweet =D


EDIT:
LOL...Feardread just made a level 1 on Saurfang Horde just to cuss me out. The little sweetheart XD!

[Sharilar]

The bad groups seem to have tapered off in the mid 60s again(though I'm getting really sick of Auch!) though there's still exceptions. The only two that come to mind though was 1) a retadin who was queueing as ALL THREE roles to speed of queueing, and got selected as a tank. As soon as he announced he was gonna ret-tank the place, one DPS bailed, and in the requeue we at least got a real tank(and a good one too at that).

The second thankfully didn't last long. We were doing Sethekk, and the tank told the DPS to handle the MC totems. Well a few pulls in, I get MCed in the middle of throwing HoTs around, tank gets whacked before I get freed, we wipe. The tank's response? "Way to go." and bails. Then another plate DPS blames me for not healing him (when I was MCed at that point) before leaving. With how I've seen these BC instances treated, I'm almost afriad to see how the current WoW population would have handled stuff like H Shattered Halls at level, and in the appropriate gear.

And I've still only gotten to run that char as Boomkin maybe twice since hitting BC. ._.

[Ryai]

First BFD run on Ryai #3 ends up with a bloiting ninja tank druid leaving and destroying the run.

Second BFD run, another ninja, this time a warlock, and the naga boss is already dead. Say I'm to tired for this crap and leave group, log out.

Third run? ANOTHER ninja tank needing on ANYTHING and well I realize any hunter loot that drops, anything past the bow that I know of, would most likely be rolled for by this lovely wad of idiocy that can't understand healer is afk, healer is oom, get the bloiting mobs off the healer and dps!!!!! So I just say I'm not staying grouped with a ninja.

And leave.

All I want is the bloody bow from that naga in BFD. I don't want to pvp for upgrades :|

[Sarayana]

Ryai, I wouldn't worry so much about specific loot (though I 100% understand the desire for a better ranged weapon! xD) - I'd just take whatever exp I can from the run and get on with it. I only got queued into BRD for a few levels, most of them lower (that first lady boss on the right from the big round room at the entrance), and now I'm on to better loot.

Kas, I laughed out loud at

And that little angelic voice of conscience is saying to me: "I agree with the devil, MD his @$$!"

They sound like nasty pieces of work. I don't think I'd ever be able to make myself wipe the party, I'd rather throw out some weak insult (cause the good ones always come to me too late, dammit!) and leave party... but I've been sorely tempted at times. Your group there seems like a prime target.

[Kalliope]

@Vespias: Hardly anyone CCs anymore, due to Blizzard essentially dumbing things down to the point where everything is just AoE pulls. AoE pulls are much faster than using CC. If CC is used, either something's gone wrong or the tank is THAT undergeared to make it a necessity.

@Kasta: *sigh* That's the sort of experience that I worry about happening to people too many times, since I occasionally run with three friends and we have the last spot pugged. Not because my friends or I are rude, but because some people just won't run with that many people from the same guild/server due to prior bad experiences.

And lol. He was bitching at YOU for not getting a mob off him in HoR? He should have been yelling at his tank buddy. That is HILARIOUS! If anyone deserved to be intentionally wiped, it was that group. People think that just because they're a tank or healer, they're safe from retaliation....

@Shari: My undead shadow priest is level 70 and has done an instance as shadow maybe....twice. This was before the LFG system, to be sure, but meh. My feral druid was always stuck healing up until Outland, where I learned ramps and maybe BF, then swore it off until Northrend and level 71, where I tanked my way up. (How funny, my ret pally quested as ret and such up until around 70-71 as well....hadn't realized the parallel was so close.) All I can say is to only queue as dps if you want to dps; otherwise, you will pretty much always be thrown in as a healer.

@Ryai: Lowbie gear upgrades are overrated. Yes, the bow would be nice, but in a few levels, you'll have access to better ones.

[Ryai]

@Ryai: Lowbie gear upgrades are overrated. Yes, the bow would be nice, but in a few levels, you'll have access to better ones.

Actually I never really run into upgrades tbh. The only other one I know of to drop, keep forgetting to get atlas loot up on R #3, is another bow, but yeah outside that? Not much unless I run like Ulda and Mara, and those are guns not to sound standoffish or anything just, I've had to pvp so much on hunter alts just for a bow upgrade- or upgraded ranged of any sort really, and I'm sick of it.

And with how many ninjas I've run into for lowbie dungeons- including a paladin who rolled need and nearly cost my dorf a gun once, I just want to get one bow upgrade down.

[Kalliope]

@Ryai: Lowbie gear upgrades are overrated. Yes, the bow would be nice, but in a few levels, you'll have access to better ones.

Actually I never really run into upgrades tbh. The only other one I know of to drop, keep forgetting to get atlas loot up on R #3, is another bow, but yeah outside that? Not much unless I run like Ulda and Mara, and those are guns not to sound standoffish or anything just, I've had to pvp so much on hunter alts just for a bow upgrade- or upgraded ranged of any sort really, and I'm sick of it.

And with how many ninjas I've run into for lowbie dungeons- including a paladin who rolled need and nearly cost my dorf a gun once, I just want to get one bow upgrade down.

There's a bow in Uld, so long as you're not alliance. >_> There's a quest bow you can get from doing Mara.

There's also a bow in RFK, off the bat boss. He doesn't always spawn, but he's a possibility.

[Ryai]

yeah but I don't always count on rares to spawn [hate rfk too with a passion] and there's only one mara quest I've ever really found ... and even then I didn't manage to complete it


I don't mean to make this offtopic but could you link the quest please? or send a pm lol [and assume you mean the dorf trio in ulda concerning the other bow?]

[Kalliope]

Sure thing!

It's Corruption of Earth and Seed for both the alliance and the horde.

[Nick]

Just had a lovely full of fail group for Sethekk.

TL;DR:
Tank was a DK, SUCKED.
Mage pulled every damn thing before we were ready.
Healer was completely fine.
Warlock was as pushy as hell, yelling at us about how "un-pro" we were. Kept telling me to tank when my armor sucks AND keeps saying that "it's not about threat!" when I said I couldn't hold aggro worth crap. Wth, fine I won't hold threat and we'll see how long you fucking last. He was okay, for the most part but my god...
And then there was me, doing DPS just fine in my kitty form until all this started going downhill after the first boss.

:/

[Vespias]

@Vespias: Hardly anyone CCs anymore, due to Blizzard essentially dumbing things down to the point where everything is just AoE pulls. AoE pulls are much faster than using CC. If CC is used, either something's gone wrong or the tank is THAT undergeared to make it a necessity.

This is what I'm talking about. Everything is AOE. My tiny guild thinks along the same lines as I do thankfully and the fight I was refering to is on what we call "Hamburger Hill" in PoS. The mob consists of 3 casters, one of which heals and 3 Melee types. Now, our group is generally my mage along with our warr tank, a druid healer, a rogue and if he's on a SP or Pally. Now in this fight, even though our tank is top notch, why should we do the AOE blast when it's just as easy to poly the healer and stun 1 of the other casters while the tank silences the third? Yes, we could just bull our way through and AOE everything, but why? Isn't it easier to knock out the 4 then turn and drop the other two one at a time? Maybe I'm just stuck in vanilla but I still like my fights to have a bit of finesse to them.

[Sarayana]

It always frustrates me how Blizz has made CC totally unnecessary and strengthened AoE to a point that people use it to see how high their dps can go, just to then introduce two new dungeons that do require some degree of CC in most cases. Yeah, you can do Pit and HoR without CC, but in most groups it's either necessary or will ease the run massively. Except that people forget they have it. I have been in runs with pallies (who shine in HoR!), rogues, druids, mages, hunters, etc. etc. etc. and not seen any CC!! Why? I can only assume it's cause it's not on their bars anymore...



Little known fact: you can tell I'm worked up about a topic when I put a lot of italics in my posts...

[Kalliope]

@Vespias: Hardly anyone CCs anymore, due to Blizzard essentially dumbing things down to the point where everything is just AoE pulls. AoE pulls are much faster than using CC. If CC is used, either something's gone wrong or the tank is THAT undergeared to make it a necessity.

This is what I'm talking about. Everything is AOE. My tiny guild thinks along the same lines as I do thankfully and the fight I was refering to is on what we call "Hamburger Hill" in PoS. The mob consists of 3 casters, one of which heals and 3 Melee types. Now, our group is generally my mage along with our warr tank, a druid healer, a rogue and if he's on a SP or Pally. Now in this fight, even though our tank is top notch, why should we do the AOE blast when it's just as easy to poly the healer and stun 1 of the other casters while the tank silences the third? Yes, we could just bull our way through and AOE everything, but why? Isn't it easier to knock out the 4 then turn and drop the other two one at a time? Maybe I'm just stuck in vanilla but I still like my fights to have a bit of finesse to them.

Err...she doesn't heal. She just casts empowered shadow bolts.

Regardless. Those two pulls are actually the rare sort of pull that could be CCed. At the very least, you should focus fire to get the flamecasters down first. Even with a geared group, it's easier that way. Usually we just have our ret pally repentance one of the flamecasters and burn the rest. That's assuming we have pugs and can't get the group to just ride up the hill as one, therefore bypassing both of those packs entirely....

I like the door strat in HoR; I can actually make use of freezing arrow!

[Sarayana]

I like the door strat in HoR; I can actually make use of freezing arrow!

I know! I love that!!! Focus firing, getting range, and CCing are always easier when you're not crammed into the alcove. Not to mention, you can actually see what's coming at you. Most pugs won't stay at the door, though.

[Kalliope]

I like the door strat in HoR; I can actually make use of freezing arrow!

I know! I love that!!! Focus firing, getting range, and CCing are always easier when you're not crammed into the alcove. Not to mention, you can actually see what's coming at you. Most pugs won't stay at the door, though.

ZOMG, WE HAVE TO LOS PULL! ZOMG, UR A NOOB TANKING AT THE DOOR!

...

What's this? We've one-shot everything? No one's died? THE WORLD OF WARCRAFT AS WE KNOW IT DIDN'T END?

Yeah, this is pretty much what happened the last time my pally tanked at the door....only with less commentary.

I probably wouldn't tank there on a bear, though. No silence to pull some of the casters together.

[Sarayana]

Worked well enough for my bear friend. If you distance-taunt while swiping the melee mobs (FFF is great for that too) you should be ok. I'd say it depends on the group make-up though. And it does require you to run out more, and then group up between waves.

[Kalliope]

Worked well enough for my bear friend. If you distance-taunt while swiping the melee mobs (FFF is great for that too) you should be ok. I'd say it depends on the group make-up though. And it does require you to run out more, and then group up between waves.

Oh sure, you can hold ranged aggro, but then you still have to take the loose ones down later. Which isn't that big a deal, but it's slightly less efficient.

[Sarayana]

I know, I'm just saying that if you have the group for it, you can do it even with a bear tank. (I'm supporting your point here! )

[Kalliope]

I know, I'm just saying that if you have the group for it, you can do it even with a bear tank. (I'm supporting your point here! )

Heehee, I know! xD

I'm just a crappy bear tank. >_> Not sure I could pull that off. xD