Exotic to tame...........!?!?!?!?!?!

[Rozetta]

Maybe it takes into consideration your secondary spec. To fully test this as a "bug" you'll need to make sure you have no secondary spec as BM. MM and SV or just one of them with no dual spec or the other blank.

[Cialbi]

Taluwen, I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. This NPC being tamable by non-BM hunters is a bug, yes. However, said NPC is still considered a core hound, and will despawn if the controlling player does not have the 31-point BM talent. The despawn happens too fast for the pet to be of any use whatsoever. Hence, it's pretty much impossible to exploit this bug, since there is no potential benefit to be had from this bug.

Anyways, I recommend that a similar thread to this one be started in the Bug Report forum, so that it gets fixed. I doubt it will be much of a challenge to designate a single NPC as Tamable (Exotic) instead of Tamable.

[ummeiko]

I'm assuming it's only the ones in Hyjal? Recall that they are a) phased out about halfway though questing in the zone, and b) were made tameable VERY late in beta - the last or second to last big pet patch. Given that, I'm assuming it was an oversight.

To throw my 2 cents in to the debate - I'm sorry... if you're not prepared to tame a rare exotic, IE correctly specced at the time, then in my opinion, you're out of luck. Regardless of whether or not you can use it or it has to sit in your stables. If you think you might want Karoma/GC/Skoll/Jadefang/whatever, then you should probably be in BM spec when you're flying around Twilight Highlands/Vashjir/Storm Peaks/Deepholm/etc. Giving the 31 point BM talent partially away (recall, it says allows you to TAME EXOTIC pets, not simply USE or CALL exotic pets), is a pretty poor cop out to someone who wasn't prepared when they saw whatever rare exotic they missed out in the 5-10 seconds it took them to switch specs and tame.

[Lisaara]

Taluwen, I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. This NPC being tamable by non-BM hunters is a bug, yes. However, said NPC is still considered a core hound, and will despawn if the controlling player does not have the 31-point BM talent. The despawn happens too fast for the pet to be of any use whatsoever. Hence, it's pretty much impossible to exploit this bug, since there is no potential benefit to be had from this bug.

Anyways, I recommend that a similar thread to this one be started in the Bug Report forum, so that it gets fixed. I doubt it will be much of a challenge to designate a single NPC as Tamable (Exotic) instead of Tamable.

But I'm not. It's a big deal and as someone who plays in the BM spec, it ticks me off. If you want an exotic, you go into BM spec. End of story. The talent itself, as ummeiko said, says its not just to call out/summon exotics, it's also to be able to tame them. So overall, if you're not in BM spec, exotics are not yours to tame.

[Victorelle]

LOL! thats really epic fail Blizzard

[Rhyela]

I'm sure it's just a small mistake/oversight and in the grand scheme of things, not that big of a deal. The people can't use the pet unless they spec BM again, it's only one beast from what I understand in a phased quest. I mean, yeah, it should be fixed, but this is by no means a game-breaker.

Thanks for reporting this, OP.

[Cialbi]

It seems my previous statement was misread, and probably misleading. Do I think this bug should be fixed? Absolutely. My point merely is that I don't see the point about making a big deal about this. Report it on the Bug Report forum, and forget about it. If non-BM hunters were actually able to use exotic pets, then that's another matter entirely. Fortunately, pets from exotic pet families will quickly despawn if summoned by a hunter lacking the 31-point BM talent.

Taming one of these 'special' core hounds is more trouble than it's worth if your hunter isn't specced BM. Inevitably, the NPC in question will get tagged as exotic as it should have been in the first place. Any non-BM hunters who tamed the core hound when it wasn't exotic will have to buy a respec just so that they can abandon said core hound, and then buy another respec to get back into the spec they want. Or, they simply clog a stable slot with a pet that they cannot use. In other words, they will be in the same situation as someone who respecced out of BM but didn't first abandon an exotic pet in their stables.

I have a hard time seeing Blizzard getting riled up about non-BM hunters taming these core hounds. They will fix the problem, and move on to other matters. I fail to see why we, on the other hand, are getting so agitated about this issue.

[SgtMakkie]

Sigh, it seems I've stirred up a hornets nest again. I don't particularly like this either, yet I can see the logic behind it. It would not surprise me if Blizzard sneaked this change in without adding to the patch notes as I'm sure there has been lots of screaming "Arrrgghh I'm not BM and there's my dream pet!". You can't dismiss or do anything as non-BM, apart from call the Pet for 2 seconds before it disappears again.

To the people in this thread who feel so strongly that it is indeed a bug and shouldn't be allowed, go make a ticket and see what Blizzard say! I find it kinda pointless to shout 'BUG' when you do nothing to actually check either way what the developers actually have willingly or not changed for the hunter community!

Play nice people

[Lisaara]

It seems my previous statement was misread, and probably misleading. Do I think this bug should be fixed? Absolutely. My point merely is that I don't see the point about making a big deal about this. Report it on the Bug Report forum, and forget about it. If non-BM hunters were actually able to use exotic pets, then that's another matter entirely. Fortunately, pets from exotic pet families will quickly despawn if summoned by a hunter lacking the 31-point BM talent.

Taming one of these 'special' core hounds is more trouble than it's worth if your hunter isn't specced BM. Inevitably, the NPC in question will get tagged as exotic as it should have been in the first place. Any non-BM hunters who tamed the core hound when it wasn't exotic will have to buy a respec just so that they can abandon said core hound, and then buy another respec to get back into the spec they want. Or, they simply clog a stable slot with a pet that they cannot use. In other words, they will be in the same situation as someone who respecced out of BM but didn't first abandon an exotic pet in their stables.

I have a hard time seeing Blizzard getting riled up about non-BM hunters taming these core hounds. They will fix the problem, and move on to other matters. I fail to see why we, on the other hand, are getting so agitated about this issue.

I understand this but here lies the problem. Allow me to set up a situation.

Let's say I was camping....Karoma. I'm a dedicated BM. I took the time to dual-spec cause I wanted exotics and I may even play the BM spec more than SV or MM. Either way, I dual-specced and am camping as BM. Karoma spawns and I SS it and just as I'm about to hit tame, an MM hunters comes along and swipes it from me and tames it instead.

Thats where it becomes a big deal. Thats where my problem lies and how it will open up a huge can of griefing worms. We already have enough griefers as is. I'd like there not to be more.

Also for lore lovers, it's a big deal cause well....Beast Masters work hard to bond with their beasts....a lot moreso than a Survivalist or Ranger(Marksman). Corehounds are a tad out of their league. Corehound would rather roast them than be their buddy.

So all in all, it's not the end of the world, granted, but it's still a pretty big deal, especially since its game mechanic AND lore breaking.

[SgtMakkie]

Let's say I was camping....Karoma. I'm a dedicated BM. I took the time to dual-spec cause I wanted exotics and I may even play the BM spec more than SV or MM. Either way, I dual-specced and am camping as BM. Karoma spawns and I SS it and just as I'm about to hit tame, an MM hunters comes along and swipes it from me and tames it instead.

Then you'd be a fool not to simply use Concussive shot every time he hit tame to interrupt it. Having had this exact thing happen to me when I was about to tame Gondria, I know exactly how to deal with it. The hunter will eventually either FD to drop aggro or die! (hopefully not kill it but unlikely as he/she wants to tame it too!).

People will grief regardless of their spec! Does it make it easier for them? yes, but if you just roll over and let them take your tagged mob... more fool you tbh!

Corehounds are a tad out of their league. Corehound would rather roast them than be their buddy.

Of course you've gone up and asked a corehound their views on this matter I hope?

Like I've already said, if you don't like it, ticket it. I look forward to their reply!

[Lisaara]

Then you'd be a fool not to simply use Concussive shot every time he hit tame to interrupt it. Having had this exact thing happen to me when I was about to tame Gondria, I know exactly how to deal with it. The hunter will eventually either FD to drop aggro or die! (hopefully not kill it but unlikely as he/she wants to tame it too!).

People will grief regardless of their spec! Does it make it easier for them? yes, but if you just roll over and let them take your tagged mob... more fool you tbh!

Unfortunately, thats almost never the case. Most people will fight tooth and nail. So......
and it's pretty rude to say "if you LET them take it, you deserve to lose it and you're an idiot"....I didn't let them do anything. It was just a scenario. I had this problem with Arcturis. I tried the method you spoke of, when a griefing horde hunter was trying to steal my tagged Arcturis. I did take him back. Guess what happened? He tried again to take it from me. I took it back again. Then what happened? He killed it. I chewed him out when i hopped on my horde character. He told me it was HIS tame(despite I had tagged it and been there longer) and said I stole it and I killed him(despite I checked the combat log before I hopped and his Arcane Shot was the killing blow). Later on, one of his friends told me that the real reason he killed it was just because Lisaara was alliance.

Case in point: I'm not a moron because of someone elses actions and Blizzard's screw up.

Of course you've gone up and asked a corehound their views on this matter I hope?

Like I've already said, if you don't like it, ticket it. I look forward to their reply!

I have! They kinda roared and chased me but then I tamed it as a BM. Deadpool is....quite loving....when he feels like it....so is Belloc. Now if only they'd stop rolling over on me....

I did put a ticket in to ask about this, just an FYI. And since the servers went down just moments ago and now I have an update to install, it may have just been hotfixed.

[Rikaku]

I admit, I do wonder whether this was intentional. Sure you can't use the pet not being a BM, but it would help those people in their non-BM spec who just came across the OMG RARE OF A LIFETIME!

Probably not intentional, but it sure would be cool if it was.

I doubt it was intentional but I'm gonna join the group and say, with some fine tuning, this would be *so* helpful.

I think it should be allowed to tame exotics if you're currently a non-exotic BM spec SO LONG AS ONE OF YOUR TWO SPECS IS AN EXOTIC-BM SPEC.

I mean really, sure I don't really use any other spec other than BM. But I know some BM's who have different talent builds for say PvPing or Dungeon-running. I mean what if there was some really cool rare spawn exotic on your way to the dungeon or raid, and you wanna tame it. So you quickly fly down and-

"Oh crap gotta change spec!" so you change your spec but while you do- BAM! Your rare spawn is annihilated by a nearby miner who was flying over the spawn point at the time (*cough*loquenahak*cough*).

I mean in situations like that, the tamability of an exotic creature so long as the Hunter had at one spec with the Exotic BM talent even if they weren't BM at the time would be pretty sweet. Of course, they wouldnt be able to use said exotic until they change specs, but definitely has it's advantages for those Hunters "on the go".

And to add to my plan: if the beast is tagged, you can't cast 'tame beast' on it (though, I think this part should be implemented anyways if it already isn't). Though according to my plan, it'd just be a seperate change, regardless of the actual specs of the parties involved in the 'fight' to tame.

Now yes, I do acknowledge this is a bug and will probably get fixed (as it should be!). However, I can't help but dream of the possibilities due to such an interesting bug.

TL;DR
With some fine tuning, I think this brings up a really interesting idea for the dual-speccing BM Hunter users. But I am still pro-Only BM can use Exotics and pro-fixing this bug.

[Wain]

LOL! thats really epic fail Blizzard

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Er, it's a minor bug.

[Sarayana]

LOL! thats really epic fail Blizzard

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Er, it's a minor bug.

That's what I thought too... there are really a lot of high tempers in this thread right now for something that's, well... not a big deal in my opinion. (I know some people here think it's a major issue, but having read those arguments, I respectfully disagree with them on this.)

[Rhyela]

Seems like people are treating this like it's intentional. From what it sounds like, it's one pet family, on one mob, in one zone, and furthermore part of a phased quest. I very highly doubt Blizz meant to do this, so I don't get why it's being treated like BM is getting shafted again. It was just a mistake, a booboo they'll slap a bandaid on and send it on its merry way.

For the people who are looking at other possibilities (i.e. if it were in fact intentional), let them dream! It's not going to happen any time soon. Blizz has already established that exotics belong to BM only. This little bug is not their way of "sneaking" anything in.

Chillax, folks!

[Manticora]

Corehounds are supposed to be exotic, so I doubt this is intentional. Just report it to the bug forums and let them deal with it.
It's not that big of a deal. It sounds like the corehound is just slightly broken and needs some fixing. It has nothing to do with the other spirit beasts or exotics, because you HAVE to be BM to tame those. They're not broken.


Thanks for sharing though. It's a funny bug. I tamed one a maybe a week ago, before I was phased out, and it worked just fine. (I was under BM spec.)

[Skyshot]

Then you'd be a fool not to simply use Concussive shot every time he hit tame to interrupt it. Having had this exact thing happen to me when I was about to tame Gondria, I know exactly how to deal with it. The hunter will eventually either FD to drop aggro or die! (hopefully not kill it but unlikely as he/she wants to tame it too!).

People will grief regardless of their spec! Does it make it easier for them? yes, but if you just roll over and let them take your tagged mob... more fool you tbh!

Unfortunately, thats almost never the case. Most people will fight tooth and nail. So......
and it's pretty rude to say "if you LET them take it, you deserve to lose it and you're an idiot"....I didn't let them do anything. It was just a scenario. I had this problem with Arcturis. I tried the method you spoke of, when a griefing horde hunter was trying to steal my tagged Arcturis. I did take him back. Guess what happened? He tried again to take it from me. I took it back again. Then what happened? He killed it. I chewed him out when i hopped on my horde character. He told me it was HIS tame(despite I had tagged it and been there longer) and said I stole it and I killed him(despite I checked the combat log before I hopped and his Arcane Shot was the killing blow). Later on, one of his friends told me that the real reason he killed it was just because Lisaara was alliance.

Case in point: I'm not a moron because of someone elses actions and Blizzard's screw up.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Sometimes you get nice people that will relent and let you take the mob back but, in most cases I've seen, they will keep trying to tame/kill it just to get their jollies.
I've had the exact same thing happen to myself and other hunters and friends that I've helped with tames in the past. In the end, you can't control how people will interact with you or others whether it's in real life or in game.
It doesn't make you a fool just because some jerk feels like stealing something out of the palm of your hand. ^^

[SgtMakkie]

OK OK OK ...................................!!!!!

News on this, me and Saffie have been looking into this and we've discovered the following:

1) It seems only the corehounds in Mount Hyjal are tamable as non-BM. We've looked at Chimera's and Silithid's; neither of which could be tamed as SV (even though the toon had a BM offspec) - This is the same as my initial check.

2) The special ability of the tamed corehound was actually usable while being in Survival spec. Even though the pet promptly disappeared, as it should of. The Ancient Hysteria buff stayed for the full duration of 40 seconds. Needless to say this is a MAJOR break of game mechanics.

Neither of us are sure why these particular Corehounds are bugged, or why it lets you proc the pets ability as Survival. Saffie is currently busy raising a ticket for this as neither of us consider it to be acceptable.

[Lisaara]

OK OK OK ...................................!!!!!

News on this, me and Saffie have been looking into this and we've discovered the following:

1) It seems only the corehounds in Mount Hyjal are tamable as non-BM. We've looked at Chimera's and Silithid's; neither of which could be tamed as SV (even though the toon had a BM offspec) - This is the same as my initial check.

2) The special ability of the tamed corehound was actually usable while being in Survival spec. Even though the pet promptly disappeared, as it should of. The Ancient Hysteria buff stayed for the full duration of 40 seconds. Needless to say this is a MAJOR break of game mechanics.

Neither of us are sure why these particular Corehounds are bugged, or why it lets you proc the pets ability as Survival. Saffie is currently busy raising a ticket for this as neither of us consider it to be acceptable.

So I wasnt making a mountain out of a molehill.

I did ticket about it as well. They said they are investigating the matter because it's definitely game breaking and needs to be fixed before it spreads. So yes...very big deal.

[Golden]

Some screenshots, including the ticket I just submitted.

Edit: And the ticket is being handled really quickly. A moment ago it was showing as "assigned", now it's "escalated".