PTR (and Live) request for Madexx. ATTN: Dev/lurker

[Pent]

I haven't been able to even get onto the PTR because of the missing realms when I try to logon, so I am going to ask favors to those of you who can get on. (My PTR and Cataclysm beta are both listed as WoW1, and it seems that for some people there is a bug that the PTR client looks for the beta realms.)

Any of these can be used as suggestions to the devs, and I urge you to suggest things for Madexx as much as possible considering how hard he is to camp in his current location (quest area, farming route, and dig site area). (You make suggestions by clicking Ctrl-right clicking or something on the mob... it will tell you the right keys when you mouse over them and can be done on dead mobs too)

Request/Suggestion #1: Is it possible to try and see if Madexx's spawn time has been set to a lower timeframe. For example, instead of his 6-24hr spawn has it been lowered to 3hr-6hr or 4hr-8hr, etc... Also... is (or make) his spawn time more consistent? Like instead of spawning one time at the 6hr mark and then the next spawn is 24hrs later.

Request/Suggestion #2: Make Madexx harder to solo for one person. Give him some skill (kinda like Nerf Bat) and more health so it will make it much harder for some people to solo him, so if someone does attack him they will actually have to fight for their lives.

Request/Suggestion #3: I know this one will upset some people, but in the end it actually might be better for everyone... Make the non-rare Madexx-skin mobs one color and not color changers, while making Madexx NOT spawn in that one color any longer, and the people who have tamed him already in that color would either get a new color (or highlights/markings), or get one of the other 4 colors at random. I would suggest that the bronze/brown one be made into the normal mob since that is a more realistic scorpion color. (And before I get called out for this... I have the brown Madexx and I don't have a problem with this.)

Request/Suggestion #4: Make the non-rare Madexx-skin mobs a totally new color, but make the actual Madexx camp somehow less stressful (see suggestion #1, #2, and #5).

Request/Suggestion #5: Suggest that Madexx should be made into a spawned/phased quest-related mob that will spawn after an item is used and depending on the item used (five different items could be used... one for each color) Madexx would spawn in a specific color. Easy tame and quest could be completed once, but hunters could easily not turn in the quest and have the ability to go and get whichever color they want at any given time... while other classes would still get rewarded for doing the quest.

Request/Suggestion #6: This is a kind of a silly suggestion.... Either make a Madexx barbershop where his color can be changed for a modest fee... like 500g, OR a quest where it can get dyed to one of the other colors.


I encourage everyone on the PTR to make any of the above suggestions. You can make the Madexx suggestions even if you don't see Madexx by submitting the suggestion(s) by clicking on the non-rare Madexx skinned mobs and doing it there. It doesn't have to be suggested onto the actual mob, it just has to be suggested so the devs can see it.

If any of you have other suggestions that are Madexx related please feel free to post them here. I am going to keep trying to get onto the PTR and when/if I do I am going to come back here and see what I typed and what others typed. This thread will be like a notepad for suggestions.


My reasoning behind this thread:
(This Thread is for Madexx related PTR suggestions. I feel the need to suggest these because I feel that Madexx is probably the hardest camp to endure as a hunter. I camped Aotona for 7 weeks (about 1.5 years ago) and I never felt like I was not going to ever see Aotona... Aotona spawns in a heavily farmed area and I still felt like I had a chance. I feel completely different with the Madexx camp... it might just be my server, but I really don't feel like me or anyone else will ever tame Madexx (again... to get the specific color I/they want) without him spawning right in front of the hunter, because one loop around his spawn points and missing him means he'll be dead by the time you get back around.... even at 2am. The Madexx camp has way too much RNG going for it and going against us hunters... hence the reason why I am only doing this for Madexx and not the other new Cataclysm [hunter tameable] rares.)

[Impulse]

One of hardest, especially if you are going for a specific color.
Isn't this why worth so much more for pet collectors?

[Shade]

Request/Suggestion #3: I know this one will upset some people, but in the end it actually might be better for everyone... Make the non-rare Madexx-skin mobs one color and not color changers, while making Madexx NOT spawn in that one color any longer, and the people who have tamed him already in that color would either get a new color (or highlights/markings), or get one of the other 4 colors at random. I would suggest that the bronze/brown one be made into the normal mob since that is a more realistic scorpion color. (And before I get called out for this... I have the brown Madexx and I don't have a problem with this.)

Request/Suggestion #4: Make the non-rare Madexx-skin mobs a totally new color

Those are my fave of your suggestions, and one or the other would seem a lot more fair to those people who spent so much time on a hard camp like this. Its upsetting to spend so much time and then turn around and see what you have spent all that time on just walking around all over the place. I've never been one for a pet just because of it's name. If I have a common mob and a rare of the same skin that I want, I'll go for the common. Now with Madexx I wasn't sure on him-not a huge scorpion fan to start-but I spent a lot of time trying to get a blue. If I can go get a common one of him, it seems like I spent all that time for nothing. Not to start an argument but just to express my feeling on the matter.

Love your suggestions, hopefully some of them will take! Like #4 or #3.

[Kirrandria]

I agree with a lot of this. Originally I wanted the black Madexx, but after spending over 40 hours without any sight of him, I gave up on trying to continue my hunter's dark pets theme and just went with taming the first one I saw- which turned out to be the brown. Thankfully that one was in the middle ( I wanted black most, would have gladly taken red, then brown, didn't want blue, and wouldn't have even considered green ), but I was still disappointed that my scorpid failed to match all of my other pets. Skip ahead a few weeks, and I decided to fly by on a whim. Somehow, I managed to snag the blue ( Ugh X_x but she -does- match my troll really well. Just not her theme. ) by pure luck. Just as I finished taming, I saw a mage fly overhead, stop, and swoop down at me.... before flying off. Makes me think if I had been a second late, or decided to pass Madexx to another hunter, he would have died.

Originally, when I saw the two skins I had tamed were getting put on common mobs, I was a bit mad. All that work, I didn't get the color I wanted, and now they're going to be -common-? But then I realized that it gave me the room to clear out a stable slot, that a color changing pet actually fit my troll's theme really well, and that it saved a lot of other hunters the trouble of having to camp over 40 hours, like me, for a scorpid. I've seen a lot of various hunters on my server camping for Madexx. A -lot-. However, I've seen very few with him, which makes me think people are simply giving up the hunt. Sometimes, spending a lot of time looking for one particular skin, especially on mob so random as Madexx, just isn't something people can do. They have work, school, and friends and family they need to spend time with. Just because they have a life doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to get a particular cool pet!

Honestly, I think Madexx should be put on a shorter timer, like Pent said. Not only him, but other rare mobs as well. Humar was a painful camp, and his timer is only 8-12 hours, a much shorter window than 6-24. Not only that, but he spawns in multiple spots in a questing area. Why not just make him spawn in one spot and one spot only? A place like the northwestern area he sometimes spawns would be a great pick, as its far enough away from the questing zone that no one might accidentally kill it thinknig its one of the other scorpids. Another thing I thought of is to make ALL Madexx skins avaliable on common mobs, and have them all be non color changers. Make Madexx himself the color changer. That way, if someone wants a specific skin, they don't have to dump hours of their life into trying to get it, but people would still have incentive to camp Madexx. After all, on my server color changing pets are really popular. Way back in the original WoW, everyone had the color changing worg out of Blackrock. When BC came out, the color changing ravager became very popular. When I raided in Wrath, everyone had the color changing saber worg from Icecrown. Compared to that, very few people had the demon wolf, the armored worg, or the ghost wolf. I'd go as far to say that the color changer was the most popular non-BM pet on my server ( Oh god, the Loques... ). And to any person who only wanted Madexx for a specific color, the color would still be easily avaliable, so you could still have your non color changer!

[Aeliel]

In my opinion - all these suggestions are fair enough, as long as already-tamed Madexxes don't get changed. (Really easy to do by making new!Madexx a whole new mob, with a different and brand new NPC ID.)

I'm attached to my Madexx because he's Madexx. Because I found him in my favorite color (blue) when I decided to go check on him after having Karoma killed as I was taming her. I would hate having him turn into a color changer, or having him turn into another color. He wouldn't be the same - and he wouldn't be the same if I had to go retame him to keep him looking the same.

Do whatever you want to the wild Madexxes, but leave the tamed ones well enough alone.

[Celi]

I really like the shorter and more set respawn timer.... And less possible spawn spots. There's only a couple of us that I've noticed on BR who are hunting. Most of the Madexx spawns are being killed though.

Making him like Ghostcrawler and hard to kill, yes please.

[Ryai]

tbh the only thing I'd really put money into blizz doing would be making the new scorpids non color changers, IE stable brown and blue and suggesting Madexx only spawn in Red, Black and Green, which honestly would be MUCH saner than 5 colors. Or put them on IDIVIDUAL RESPAWN timers. Meaning Madexx Red, Black, Blue, Green, Brown could be up at the same time, and viola everyone is happy... ish.


Or make all Madexx skins available and give the Madexx mob special runes on his shell like those special marked Cata crabs have, I can live without the special markings aslong as I can get Blue Madexx ffff.

Because really honestly as you said it, Madexx isn't worth getting sick over, losing sleep over or ruining your life over, people have lives, school, jobs, they can't camp for Madexx like he needs to be camped and it can easily become obsessive to the point of sickness as I've even seen some petopians show worring signs sometimes for just Terrorpene.

I mean even I fell victim to being 'over saturated' by sitting at the comp once for way. way to long and oh lord it terrified me, it basically made me think I was gonna go blind.

So yeah, shorter respawns, some more stable mobs, and something to make Madexx still shiny and worth while to those who want a rare shiny, as personally, not everyone has insane luck to be in the right spot at the right time. And honestly, the people who absolutely positively want the pet will have it, and those that don't, won't. And no worries of LOL GANKERS .-.

[Rhyela]

I do feel that for a rare that's been plopped into an area so heavily patrolled by archaeologists/miners/herbers/questers/etc., he really should be on a shorter spawn time. In fact, most if not all rares should in my opinion be 12 hours or less. Let's face it, WoW is a LOT more populated than it once was, back in the days of rares with 36-hour respawn timers. Nowadays, a rare is up for about 37.2 seconds before being smushed or tamed. There's just so many people everywhere you go that it can become tiresome and tedious to "camp" something, especially when it has a wildly varying timer. Six to 24 hours is just...brutal. Bleh. Or, make it to where he's more like Ghostcrawler in that he has a ridiculous amount of HP. But, to do that, and to be fair, they'd probably have to put him somewhere further away from quest mobs so that some poor innocent sap doesn't get pwned by him.

I'm not fond of the idea of them changing existing Madexxes. I gave up on my "dream" green because I fell in love with my black one. To suddenly have my baby changed to another color, even if it was green, would make me sad. It wouldn't be the same. I love THIS scorpid, so having him changed to something else probably wouldn't make me too happy. So yeah, maybe retire the existing IDs and create new IDs for other colors/color-changers/etc. But leave the ones that are already tamed alone.

Honestly, it surprises me that blue ended up being put on a common mob. I figured that bronze would be (I predicted this model would become common at some point, most likely in bronze), but I thought that maybe black would be the other one since they're more "muted" colors. Then I figured that the green/red/blue would be the rares. So yeah, not surprising that the model is common, but very surprising that the blue is common.

Anyhoo, I think that shortening the spawn timer and maybe reducing the amount of colors that Madexx could spawn in would help out quite a bit for those people still looking for him.

Just please, DON'T change the Madexxes we already have!

[Wain]

Request/Suggestion #3: I know this one will upset some people, but in the end it actually might be better for everyone... Make the non-rare Madexx-skin mobs one color and not color changers, while making Madexx NOT spawn in that one color any longer, and the people who have tamed him already in that color would either get a new color (or highlights/markings), or get one of the other 4 colors at random. I would suggest that the bronze/brown one be made into the normal mob since that is a more realistic scorpion color. (And before I get called out for this... I have the brown Madexx and I don't have a problem with this.)

Not only do I agree with this, I just mailed a suggestion in this regard a few minutes before reading your post. I'd even suggested it be the brown skin (since it's the least spectacular). So sorry, I copied your suggestion before I realized I hope it happens, though!

EDIT: I didn't suggest the bit about changing colours of Maddexes that people had already tamed, just the rest

Request/Suggestion #4: Make the non-rare Madexx-skin mobs a totally new color

Unfortunately I don't see this happening in a hurry. There are no more Madexx skins hidden in the database. To do this, our "Noah" dev. lurker would have to convince the probably already over-taxed art department to produce a new one for him

[Rhyela]

Request/Suggestion #3: I know this one will upset some people, but in the end it actually might be better for everyone... Make the non-rare Madexx-skin mobs one color and not color changers, while making Madexx NOT spawn in that one color any longer, and the people who have tamed him already in that color would either get a new color (or highlights/markings), or get one of the other 4 colors at random. I would suggest that the bronze/brown one be made into the normal mob since that is a more realistic scorpion color. (And before I get called out for this... I have the brown Madexx and I don't have a problem with this.)

Not only do I agree with this, I just mailed a suggestion in this regard a few minutes before reading your post. I'd even suggested it be the brown skin (since it's the least spectacular). So sorry, I copied your suggestion before I realized I hope it happens, though!

Please, no.....I think the people who have him already are happy or at least content with the ones they have. Please don't go into our stables and change the pets we've already bonded with!

[Wain]

Just please, DON'T change the Madexxes we already have!

I don't think you'd need to worry about this. The dev. who created Madexx (who I suspect was our lurker dev.) had the foresight to add 4 NPCs, each a different colour. So if they "removed" a colour from circulation it would just be a matter of stopping that particular NPC # from spawning. Anyone who already had it would still get the same colour it always had.

And oops, sorry, I didn't agree or suggest the bit about changing colours already in the stable. I forgot to edit that bit out of the quote! Plus I don't see it ever happening!

[Pent]

I was able to get onto the PTR by making a trial account... but there is no "suggestion" button/key.

Color me sad.

Wain, how/where did you email your suggestion?


Oh... and this guy in the following picture scared the crap out of me... I thought I found something new...



It took a lot of double glances and finally me coming to Petopia to make 100% sure to see that he wasn't new.

[Rhyela]

Just please, DON'T change the Madexxes we already have!

I don't think you'd need to worry about this. The dev. who created Madexx (who I suspect was our lurker dev.) had the foresight to add 4 NPCs, each a different colour. So if they "removed" a colour from circulation it would just be a matter of stopping that particular NPC # from spawning. Anyone who already had it would still get the same colour it always had.

And oops, sorry, I didn't agree or suggest the bit about changing colours already in the stable. I forgot to edit that bit out of the quote! Plus I don't see it ever happening!

Oh, okay.....whew! You all were starting to really worry me!

Thanks for easing my concern.

[Wain]

I mailed our lurker dev.

I'm glad you got onto the ptr. I can create new toons there, but I can't copy over any of mine or copy over premades. The status says they copied, but they still haven't shown up after 5 days :/

[Pent]

Is the whole poof of smoke and light rays around your pet when it disappears/reappears new?

I noticed it while mounting up and dismounting.

Edit... Oh.. hmm... it isn't from the pet but the summoning of the flying mount... oh well... it looks different to me.

[Comett]

I've been dismissed and raged at for my opinions on this matter before but if any of these suggestions were to be implemented, I think suggestion 4 is the fairest. He is definitely one of the harder to get rares because he is in such a populated area... giving him a shorter spawn would, imo, be reasonable. I would think either make the common skins brand new colours or keep them as colour changers.

The other suggestions I'm not so fond of, personally, but I know how valued my opinion is on these forums hahaha. So I'll leave it at that.

[Seraphinia]

Hello fellow Petopians! First post!

Since becoming hooked on rare pet collecting (if it's not rare/unique it's not worth having!). I've mostly enjoyed the thrill of waiting for a rare to spawn so you have an exclusive pet.

I've tamed all the spirit beasts currently in the game (hope the spirit owl becomes tameable also) as well as all the cata rare spawns (including Chromaggus) and I have to say that Madexx is just a little bit too much work the way he currently is.

He was the last cata rare I set out to tame, I knew he would be the most work as I had my heart set on the red spawn. I heavy camped him for a few days and saw 3 spawns (the only spawns i've seen). First he spawned as green which i tamed, so at least I have him! But it wasn't the colour I wanted so I came back and checked regularly around the time I tamed him. Sure enough 10 hours later he spawned as brown. I preferred my green so gave a shout out to any hunters who wanted to tame him, at which point a pala came and killed him 12 hours later he spawned as brown again. I haven't seen him since.

It suddenly occurred to me that any other rare spawn and I would own them now and be on my way, but not Madexx. It also occurred to me that I could be here months and never even see the colour I'm after, let alone tame it!! You can wait all day and not even see him, and even if you are lucky enough to see him, the chances of it being the one you want are very slim!

So I also propose some changes in line with what people have posted above.

A) Make Madexx a new npc id that is the first rare colour changer, that way anyone who alway has and wants to keep their Madexx won't be affected, and if you are lucky enough to find him you have all colours in one tame and don't need to play the lottery that you do now! Many people are after more than one colour so it would also save stable space!

B) If he is going to stay the same as he is now, i.e. a random colour then his respawn needs to be shorter to balance this out. I think 4-6 would still make him exclusive, but also mean that with a minimum of 4 spawns a day you are more likely to get the colour you want.

C) Change his spawn location! I think a great spawn location would be the vast desert area between the Ruins of Ammon and the Temple of Uldum. Whilst there are still quests there it seems to be a far less populated area, away from the main hub of the zone, Ramkahen. I understand the thinking of putting him where he is, with the other scorpions in the zone, but its too heavily populated. Rare spawns like this should be out the way, like Ghostcrawler, so he doesn't get killed so much. I have spent a lot of time in the Madexx spawn zone and there are no other hunters around except me. This means that when he spawns he is just getting killed, which probably explains why I never see anyone around with Madexx

Sorry the post is a bit long, but I think that he is a broken spawn at the moment and needs a bit of tinkering to get the most out of this great rare pet

[Elo]

I have seen Madexx 4 times and tamed him twice (black and blue). Always had poor results camping this fellow. Best results just doing random fly overs a few times a day.


The whole 20 hour camp/patrol thing doesn’t really work when it takes about 60 seconds to do a lap and he can be tamed by another and hearthed out in less than half that time.


As you might guess I am not a huge fan of giving his model to a common mob.


If it had to happen I guess the brown would be the best choice to be common

[Pent]

Just adding something else to thread just in case "Noah" happens to look at it.

I have been camping Madexx since Dec 18th.

I have seen it dead around 12-14 times.

I have known it to have been tamed about 6 times, and each time it spawned right where the hunter was right on top of it.

I have even offered 1000g as a finder's fee (Which I didn't want to do but I figured it would be incentive enough... I was wrong.) over the course of several days (til I gave up asking), and even that didn't keep people from killing it considering I saw it dead three times during the time I was there spamming the 1000g reward. I even told people that it only dropped a 25g vendor item, and directed them to WoWhead.com if they didn't believe me.

I finally "ran into" the brown Madexx right when it spawned and was able to tame him, but it was my last choice for colors... I couldn't NOT tame it though... So I am still out there camping for my green one.

The biggest three problems that face Madexx campers are location(s), random color spawn, and weird looonnnggggg respawn rates/times.
With the biggest one being the respawn rate/time, IMO.

I would be delighted (and so would many others) if the respawn rate/time was a lot faster (maybe a concrete 4-8hrs), and maybe a smaller spawn area... with a smaller area to cover and it spawning faster the random color problem would fix itself.

Optional:
Also... to make people who would constantly stay in the area to grief hunters think twice... make the Tear of Loyalty item worth nothing, and buff Madexx up so people can't easily kill him solo (think Ghostcrawler).

I REALLY like Uldum as a zone, but my Madexx camping has made me scared to even enter Uldum with another character because I am afraid that I am going to see Madexx up and before I can log onto my hunter some random guy will just kill it within 10sec.

"Noah"... please please please consider changing Madexx's routine to help out the hunters.


Last minute edit: While I was typing this the green Madexx spawned at a different spawn location than where I was stopped to type this... FML. I was alerted about his spawn by a hunter who decided to drop under me with his newly tamed green Madexx.

I will now go puke.

[Ryai]

Re-reading this thread I have to agree something needs to be bloody done about Madexx. Perhaps make all scorpids in Uldum, Madexx's model and all 5 colors up on stable models. Perhaps the red and green colors can be on elites that require a bit of finesse to tame or something while the blue, black and bronze/brown are wild scorpids wandering about Uldum. Ontop of this currently tamed Madexx's are retired in the way of their ID number model is retired but they aren't removed and a completely new Id Madexx is put into place as suggested, and randomly changes color between ALL the colors and has a shorter respawn.

Everything is fixed, no more sadness, no more pain.

No more needing the vomit bucket.

*offers to Pent*