Crappy Groups

[Sarayana]

Yeah, I roll abolish poison on those pulls in HoL. Saves me a lot of stress.

Sonata, If you feel you can't heal through the lightning nova, just tell the group ahead of time. Since most people overgear the old heroics now, most groups assume you can heal through it.



I had a huntard in ramps last night... He had a scorpid, zoning in. He turned off growl, and the pet wasn't taunting, but went down like whoa! I tossed a LHW on it and it did nothing (which tells me the pet had quite a bit of HP) but it just took 3 hits and died. I don't know how he specced it, but a tenacity pet... you'd think it'd be a tad more resilient.

Then he says "doesn't matter, pet sucked anyway." O.O So I pipe up that perhaps a tenacity pet isn't great for groups, and he replies "yeah it's my pvp pet." Now I get that you don't have Called Stabled Pet until what, 80? But if you're queueing for dungeons? Heck, I don't care, any pet is better than a dead pet, for any spec of hunter!

Anyway, this pet-less hunter (bear in mind that he's 60) suddenly exclaims "Damnit, I'm almost out of arrows!" I've done the same, it sucks, but I ask the group for a minute to zone out and grab some. If I was in the middle of nowhere when the dungeon popped, I'll hearth and then zone back in. And really, Ramps isn't long enough for the run from the door to be a problem... Well no. This guy proceeds to melee the mobs, cause he's "saving the 60 arrows for the bosses." AUGH! Urge. to. kill. rising. D: STOP GIVING MY CLASS A BAD NAME DAMMIT! D: D: D:

Fun fact: I tossed an Earth Shock on a mob to make his attacks slow for a bit... on that trash pull, my dps was higher than the meleeing hunter's. ONE EARTH SHOCK! ONE!

[Saturo]

Fun fact: I tossed an Earth Shock on a mob to make his attacks slow for a bit... on that trash pull, my dps was higher than the meleeing hunter's. ONE EARTH SHOCK! ONE!

EARTH SHOCK IS OP! I KNEW IT!

[Sarayana]

Fun fact: I tossed an Earth Shock on a mob to make his attacks slow for a bit... on that trash pull, my dps was higher than the meleeing hunter's. ONE EARTH SHOCK! ONE!

EARTH SHOCK IS OP! I KNEW IT!

/innocent

[VelkynKarma]

Man...I had ALMOST the same arrow issue the other day...only it was that my gun broke after one wipe on some trash (incidentally nobody's fault, just a mistake). For some reason I didn't get the little yellow-bow icon before I went into the instance saying that I needed to repair.

Fortunately the group was nice enough to let me hearth, fix my gear, and come back, since we'd just started. Otherwise I woulda just left...hunter should not melee mobs X_X

~VelkynKarma

[Saturo]

So, I'm in a PuG on Saturo, to Ulduar 25.

Basically, the raid leader doesn't know what an offtank is, and why we would need a raidhealer. Basically, we had thought that a shadow priest was tank healer and a Druid raid healer. Turns out not. Anyhow, we miracolously manage to down leviathan before we realize that "theres no ot". "and the priest is dps lol?..."

That moron got me saved. Worse yet...
The guilds b-squad decided to do uld25 tomorrow. Those guys are fun, if a bit undergeared. I just lost out on what could possibly be the most fun this week! /facepalm.

[Sharilar]

Man...I had ALMOST the same arrow issue the other day...only it was that my gun broke after one wipe on some trash (incidentally nobody's fault, just a mistake). For some reason I didn't get the little yellow-bow icon before I went into the instance saying that I needed to repair.

Fortunately the group was nice enough to let me hearth, fix my gear, and come back, since we'd just started. Otherwise I woulda just left...hunter should not melee mobs X_X

~VelkynKarma

I had that happen to me once, on Deathbringer in ICC10 of all places. And the weapon broke midfight, so I ran in and started meleeing and trap dropping. Funniest part was we still almost killed him too that attempt!

[FlightofthePhoenix]

I've ran out of arrows, sure. The only time that's driven me to melee is when I was level 58 and soloing Wailing Caverns. Ran out of arrows, put on Aspect of the Beast, and went for it. That dungeon was so long and I couldn't get handily teleported back in or out. Even better, I was without a pet for part of it because I was there to tame a pet. Still not a problem. A level 70 pally ended up joining me and we had fun killing random things. But in a group? Never.

[Ryai]

Man...I had ALMOST the same arrow issue the other day...only it was that my gun broke after one wipe on some trash (incidentally nobody's fault, just a mistake). For some reason I didn't get the little yellow-bow icon before I went into the instance saying that I needed to repair.

Fortunately the group was nice enough to let me hearth, fix my gear, and come back, since we'd just started. Otherwise I woulda just left...hunter should not melee mobs X_X

~VelkynKarma

I had that happen to me once, on Deathbringer in ICC10 of all places. And the weapon broke midfight, so I ran in and started meleeing and trap dropping. Funniest part was we still almost killed him too that attempt!

Worst place this happened to me is running outta ammo in WSG on any lowbie. Tho for an instance? I had my BOW break in BFD on my nelf hunter [Ryai the second], and I asked Hey, do you mind waiting a second so I can go fix my bow? Please? Got told by the crappy leader NO with a threat of kicking basically.

So I'm forced to melee and melee and melee....

Finally the crappy leader leaves and I ask again- get a sure mate, and they wait for me.



And this isn't exactly crappy BUT while I was on my pally in Dal some people were looking for help with Omen.

Seeing as Yas had to wait like 3 hours before alliance downed him [and they weren't twits either trying to go pvp and trip me up like ALOT of horde/allies did the first day], I ask if they need help and drag Tailcoy, telling him to go Resto so he can get practice.

Tail, Aria [who joined later] and Caim were lv 80.

The three we helped were... well lets say they were closer to 70. I inwardly groan but I offered to help, figure, aslong as I stay alive, this will get done.

It took THIRTY MINUTES. SO CRAPPY. .. but not the group really. Huurg. Wish more people would offer help downing Omen, it doesn't take that long tbh mean 5-8 people can do it aslong as there's a healer and a tank decently geared.

[Moonlost]

Oh I love being an engineer. I keep a few stacks of arrows in my bank (When I go farming mats for ammo, I make up a whole bunch and just withdraw what I need at the time). If for some straneg reason I run out of ammo during a fight I can just drop Jeeves, grab whan I need, then plug away.

As for bad runs, well a few of my guild members have just come out of a horrible PuG Onyxia. I was saved so I couldn't witness the suck that happened there myself. They killed her at least... after 8 or so tries and a replacement tank so that's something. The raid was pretty much carried by my guild mates.
This alone wasn't the bad part... In fact I'm pretty responsible for this. XD

So, after one of the many attempts in there, My GL once again mentions how fail this group is. So, to make her smile a bit I type:
"HOW TO LAG UP AN ONYXIA RAID: A Huntard Guide.
Step 1 - Put on Aspect of the Cheetah/Pack
Step 2 - Run into the Whelp pit
Step 3 - Go though the Whelp pit to the other side, not stopping
Step 4 - Circle back to the enterance you started and and repeat until you have many whelps
Optional Step - Once you have amassed a good number of whelps, Feign death in the middle of the raid. Laugh."

Apparently my guildies likes this idea so much that after the looting they did just this. Hillarious fun for them, nightmare for the rest of the group. I think my GL offered to pay repair bills though.

[Ungoro]

I got invited into a group, it was from my mate so i accepted and he simply said "CoS hc?" and seeing as i was in the group i didn't want to just abondon my friend (It was a failing pug) so i said back "CoS is s**t" the tank jumps in and calls me s**t...i facepalmed IRL and saw this guy was gonna be an ass. For that exact reason i stuck with the group and trolled them, well, mainly trolled the tank. I get summoned, run in and mount up and waiting for millenia for everyone to show up where the fighting actually happens. We run in and wait for some other guy, i run in and misdirect on the healer (my mate) and fire three shots at the elites. He's dead in a few and i instantly Feign Death and they wipe. I was actually surprised the tank didn't nerd rage at me until i mentioned something about his aggro holding, but he stuck with us. Unfortuantly my mate put the lootng on need for greed, so i couldn't need the healing mace i'm able to use at level 81...I went through the group, trying to misdirect on other group members and wipe, but as it was the indoor part there wasn't really enough room and the DK tank used his red floor attack.

I mean, the tank didn't actually offend me when he called me s**t. I mean, i know i'm not in the best gear, but when i'm playing seriously or in a raid i do quite well. But for him to randomly come out and call me that, when i didn't direct anything i stated when i first joined the group towards him in an offensive manner, he deserved to be trolled the entire instance i think...

To be honest you sir are offensive. You had the opportunity to just leave but instead you griefed them? Maybe possibly the reason he wanted CoS was because if you don't have someone trying to heckle, harass or force wipes it's an instance you can do in under 30 mins and for some get a mount?

I'm sorry but I don't see anything bad or crappy about the group you had- just YOUR actions and what YOU did.

Ah, it was already too late to get the mount. As i mentioned, the group had a few who disbanded, and when i joined and was waiting for everyone to get there, i looked at the time and it said 5-7 minutes, and they hadn't killed any of bosses at all. He may have been purely in it for the mount, but i highly doubt he was, as everyone in the group could see by the time they got new guys in the group and got ready, there was hardly any time to get to the mount and he would of just left instantly. But wait! he stayed! He was quite clearly just trying to get gear or achievements, which he did...And i wasn't gunna leave, i needed the emblems at the time. The group just started on a bad foot.

I mean, i could of dealt with the situation alot better. I could of left and missed out on the needed emblems, i could of just acted a bit more mature. But to be honest i've had enough of people calling people s**t, judging people by gear and what achieves you do and don't have. This guy had never even seen me play before, so him calling me s**t just because the instance we were doing wasn't exactly my favourite was uncalled for. Yes i can see i was somewhat in the wrong, but to be perfectly honest, he could of just vote kicked me, did he? no he didn't...

[Ryai]

Ah, it was already too late to get the mount. As i mentioned, the group had a few who disbanded, and when i joined and was waiting for everyone to get there, i looked at the time and it said 5-7 minutes, and they hadn't killed any of bosses at all.

This really excuses none of your behavior.

He may have been purely in it for the mount, but i highly doubt he was, as everyone in the group could see by the time they got new guys in the group and got ready, there was hardly any time to get to the mount and he would of just left instantly. But wait! he stayed! He was quite clearly just trying to get gear or achievements, which he did...And i wasn't gunna leave, i needed the emblems at the time. The group just started on a bad foot.

You mean before or after you caused the wipes you admit to? And I'm sorry but I needed emblems too for my Paladin but when I came across people treating me like a meat shield and the vote kicking failed, do you know what I did? I LEFT. And of course he stayed he probably wanted to finish the damn thing and was most likely being the more mature one of ignoring you.

I mean, i could of dealt with the situation alot better. I could of left and missed out on the needed emblems, i could of just acted a bit more mature. But to be honest i've had enough of people calling people s**t,

Yeah and you know what? I've had people mock and jeer at me. I've been treated as a meat shield for people who think I'm a mindless sod when on my pally and that I should just shut up and go smash my face into things. I get treated worse than you have been by just getting called crap by one little 12 yr old boy. I have had groups disband because healers insult the tanks health pools when they have more than enough.

YOU WANT A HARD TIME?! YOU WANT HARD? TRY A HEALER NOT HEALING. I almost died THREE TIMES on my paladin because the healer AFKED and NEVER SAID or would IDLE AND STOP HEALING.

2-4k hp/35k! I dipped down that low on TRASH. Ariamodasu had to heal me@! If it wasn't for her I'd have died those three times! And you want to complain about a group that would have mostly been fine?

The tank tanked, didn't he? The healer HEALED, didn't he, the DPS dps'd didn't he?

So what someone nerd rages you insulted a dungeon he likes. You do the mature thing. Ignore and don't be an ass or ignore and leave the group. I mean you're basically defending a bleeding fail tank I had to put up with who aggroed everything in BFD the other day, dragged it back to us, and LEFT the party to escape. Just because we laughed him off when he tried to insult us.

I'm sorry but as I said you were the one to cause the group to be horrible :|

No matter how mad I get at people I've NEVER done what you did on ANY of my toons. Because snapping at them verbally is one thing but continuously ruining a run just because of a bit of name calling? You've not had the grief I've had on my paladin, my hunter or my warlock so until you have, and I mean more than just people caught up in petty achievements and gear score, I suggest you look at your actions and idk, not repeat them. Please.

[Vephriel]

Ungoro, Ryai....I think you two need to calm down a bit.

We're supposed to be a community here, and though obviously we all won't agree on everything, I think it's best to leave the full-out arguments out of these threads as it really dampens the mood.

[Kalliope]

@Sara: That hunter with the scorpid may have been off soloing with his pet, hence the scorpid. HOWEVER, that's NO excuse for saying what he said. And SIGH at all of the ammo-related issues. Have seen that all... His melee weapons must have been godawful if you beat him with one earth shock.

@Ryai: Have been there, done that, with Omen. >_< God, it sucks, but at least it's doable.

AND I *HATE* WHEN HEALERS AFK ON ME AS A TANK. *seethe* That's the quickest way to get your butt booted from one of my groups. -_- Thankfully, I can judge light and heal myself, but I feel bad for tanks who can't.

And don't get me started on tanks who can't keep mobs off me as a healer...it's fine when I have the gear to offtank, but when I don't, woe betide you...

[Ryai]

I apologize for my outburst. It's just personal experiences with people who've acted like that bring out the worst in me when it's late and I've had a bad day. But again I am sorry for using this thread and Ungoro for that. But please Ungoro don't repeat what you have done :|

Kalliope: Oh god yeah mean it's really only cause Omen is like a tank n spank with no enrage meter. That's what I was fearing the most tbh. But hey was for a good cause.

The worst part Tho about the afk healer? I get to caught up in tanking, I just get tunnel vision and I'm so used to, even with a crappy and lazy healer, getting heals. [aka they go I'm bored I'm bored, I'm BOOOREEEED] But this guy .. I only realized when I noticed Caim was at half health. Alright he's waited to start healing until then...

Then looked again. 4000 HP. I actually squealed irl all eeee thinking I was gonna die and even if we didn't have voice chat I was crying out for Aria to heal me cause I didn't want to die on traaaash in UK of all places. Luckily she realized just in time too :|


Tbh I've never had problems with healers outgearing me. DPS yeah but healers? I mean if I can face smash my gear/way in Nexus and manage to mostly keep aggro of mobs with lv 76-80 pre heroic gear.. and these people have like basically lv 245 gear/219 gear.. But then again Caim is a paladin.

And let me explain the situation a bit better; see we were running BFD, but the tank decided to just leave the group. We queued for tank and the war decided to go and start tanking, and he was doing pretty good, for the most part. But on the boss my pet ofc gets aggro and I get asked Hunter does pet have growl on? and I made sure growl was off for the boss. I explained no, it's only on when a mob jumps me, you or that clothie over there. But he was still having aggro problems and then he complained to us.

I ofc laughed- knowing the real reason. Everyone else giggled too cause well it's BFD, not a heroic, as I tell the guy. And at first he goes Don't make me aggro the whole instance, basically. I roll my eyes. I mean he's a dps tanking, ofc he's going to experience aggro issues, he's not generating as much threat and I am pretty sure he is not in defensive stance. Even I was smart enough to switch to defensive when Rashika was forced to tank about 10 scarlets, a boss and about 8 hounds when we had a bad tank. But I digress.

So we get a new tank and we're going on, we pull a big group and healer's happy to have actually have a challenge to heal. We're just working on the last two nagas, everyone mostly oom, and all a sudden, the war is like OH WOULD YOU LIKE MORE. We go O_o and the healer goes no- but the war brings back a load of naga. About 8.

We all die as he leaves group.

Blizz needs to make it where you can't leave party while IC.

[Sarayana]

Blizz needs to make it where you can't leave party while IC.

It's kind of a difficult choice to make... I had a bear tank run into DTK in kitty form, wearing a level 40 robe, aggro the first trash mobs and bring them back... He never popped into bear, he never grabbed aggro, he let them beat on us. Once they were dead (thanks to me switching on Rafa's growl and the liberal use of aoe) he was already off grabbing the next set. He didn't leave party, he wiped with the rest of the party (I feigned and thanked heavens that I'm a hunter...). I've heard many similar stories, of people aggroing the instance to wipe the party. In those cases it's nice for people to be able to leave in combat and save the repair bill.

On the other hand, if he's wiping us I want him to be stuck with the repair bill too, so I get that. I just think changing the way we can drop party is a bandaid solution. There needs to be some kind of punishment for that kind of asshat behaviour.

An option will always be to open a ticket. Deliberately wiping the party is considered harassment, so a ticket might put the incident on their files, or whatever... if this is something a person does repeatedly, then Blizz would have the option of punishing the person with a 72 hour ban or something like that. If they're made aware of the behaviour, I mean.

[FlightofthePhoenix]

I still think some kind of rep system would be the best. If someone ninjas on stuff, or leaves party after wiping the group, or other asshole behaviors, they get a downmark per event. Enough times and they are either restricted from playing dungeons or have to play with each other. You can get positives form doing something kind or being especially good. No penalty for being neutral. Imagine if the jerks could only group with each other? /evil grin

[Ryai]

Yeah being able to leave IC with a bad tank like that would be good but, that still leaves people who aggro- drag, leave, unharmed/detered..

Maybe a change to the vote system like suggested, would help out? I mean there are going to be reasons put in. Or maybe you can ticket a mod, cause I know I got a GM reply when a person abused the /afk system on Ryai when me and others were calling him out as a nagging afker in the cave in AV.

He was insulting everyone that wasn't a mage and claiming he did imba dps and reporting everyone etc..

[FlightofthePhoenix]

/sigh
Another one.

It was the usual mishmash of elitists, flakes, whatever. Only lasted five minutes. The fun part was when the Blood Knight Breastplate of Agility dropped. I saw it was a good improvement, so I went to Need it. I'm sick and a bit spacey so I hit Greed instead. When I told them I meant to hit Need, one of them said sarcastically, "Yeah because hunters can totally use plate."

This one.

http://ptr.wowhead.com/?item=24864

/facepalm

Can we start up a PUG therapy group please?

[Sharilar]

I still think some kind of rep system would be the best. If someone ninjas on stuff, or leaves party after wiping the group, or other asshole behaviors, they get a downmark per event. Enough times and they are either restricted from playing dungeons or have to play with each other. You can get positives form doing something kind or being especially good. No penalty for being neutral. Imagine if the jerks could only group with each other? /evil grin

The problem there is rep systems can be gamed. Several years a go a game/program called Second Life had something like this with rep voting and both positive and negative rep. People would hold "rep parties" where everyone would show up and vote each other up, and some people even paid others for positive votes. The negative rep wasn't used right either, as you had griefers going around in groups dropping negative rep votes on the same person just to mess with them, regardless of if they deserved it or not. Eventually, SL just dumped the whole system.

if it was an automatic up/down repping, how would you train the filters for that sort of thing? Say someone else comes and wipes the group, the tank gets pissed and leaves, even though he didn't wipe it, he could get tagged by the criteria above. Or say someone forms a ToC25 group and states in the beginning that the DV is reserved if it drops(and people go for it). How would the system tell that from a ninja when it drops and he gives it to the guy without anyone rolling?

These kind of solutions look awesome on paper, but really are infeasible, sadly.

[FlightofthePhoenix]

I just wish there was something. Right now it seems like there's no deterrent for people to behave like jerks. It puts the good ones at a huge disadvantage and contributes to gold farming, too. Talking to a GM on my server isn't feasible because the wait is usually several hours. Also, they don't do anything about ninja-ing. Maybe more active GMs?