Quick question [PTR]

[Pent]

Drama, there is too much.

Yeah, like 1-3 days ago....

Not so much now.

Now it is a waiting game.

I might be reading too much into what we know, and what we don't know because someone could not tell us everything... but I am very good at waiting.

Whatever happens I have to live with it, and I am not the type of person to call my congressman/woman over something like this, but I am sure there are a few others who are.

Blizzard can not make it fair for everyone... it's impossible to make the majority happy most of the time, but they certainly can make the minority upset the rest of the time. The minority changes day to day, so you can never pinpoint who is in the bubble and who is out of the bubble on any given day.

[Ziarre]

I do agree that brown should be taken out of the spawn table, because I'm not one for redundancy. Madexx is already a RNG game as it is, why keep a common color in the mix? If it was just one mob (and one color), I'd say sure, leave it be. Maybe it's unique in some other way, such as Slaverjaw now being the lowest-level red hyena. Maybe it's not...but either way, it harms nobody. When you're talking four or five potential colors on a shared timer? Then keeping the common color in just seems silly when it can be difficult enough to find the color you want.

No bitterness talking here...I found mine a little less than twelve hours after finding one in my least favorite color. I just feel bad for those that keep searching, hour after day after week. I don't think they'll shorten the timer on a Cataclysm rare, but removing a color they're making common...maybe.

[Kalliope]

Were these comments really necessary? You could have made your argument easily without making snubs are other Petopians like this.

If you can name one person I was intentionally talking about here on the forums I will change my post.

All you have to do is look at other message boards and you see the exact same thing... but we are nicer about it here.

That doesn't justify taking your frustrations out on the collective community. Tone it down, please.

[Cialbi]

^ Kalliope has the gist of what I was saying.

Anyways, I didn't actually address the content of your post. I don't see a compelling reason for Madexx to spawn in brown myself, and thus agree with you there. I don't expect there to be hardly anyone bothering to camp Madexx anymore if all they ever wanted was a brown Madexx. Heck, I bet there will be brown Madexx spawns that wind up getting killed for no other reason than that no one wants the brown Madexx, and the hunters camping for other colors just want to have a time of death and take a four hour break from camping. This isn't the TLPD and Vyragosa, in which case there was some interest and incentive in killing Vyragosa other than trying to hasten a TLPD spawn, small though it may be. You and Ryai get enough snubs form other players that you don't need to deal with the frustration of a spawn being wasted on a brown Madexx. I say wasted because what are the chances of there being a hunter who wants the brown Madexx that's in the area and hasn't already tamed the common scorpid? That, and there isn't a second Vyragosa flying around the Storm Peaks on a short respawn timer, with the same loot table and achievements.

[Wain]

I suspect the reason that most people are posting and replying less is that it's all been said, many times over, and yet a few are still posting aggressively, voluminously and frequently in a way that tends to dominate all discussion. Most people just tire of reading this, see no point in arguing further and leave the thread behind.

[Pent]

Were these comments really necessary? You could have made your argument easily without making snubs are other Petopians like this.

If you can name one person I was intentionally talking about here on the forums I will change my post.

All you have to do is look at other message boards and you see the exact same thing... but we are nicer about it here.

That doesn't justify taking your frustrations out on the collective community. Tone it down, please.

So it's better to take my frustrations out on individual people who disagree with me? I am not that type of person.

Making blanket statements harms no one unless people know that they are that way, and then it is their fault if they think I am talking about them.

Everyone has their opinions. I know opinions can differ, but saying statements that was brought about by already getting what they want and forgetting what it felt like before they had what they wanted.. is just selfish.

We should stick together and even when you got that elusive pet (whatever it may be) keep in mind what you were feeling before you were able to acquire it, and not think that since your hunt is over then no one else's hunt matters.

I apologize if my above thread hurt anyone's feelings, or if you thought I was talking directly to you when I said "selfishness". It was a blanket statement meant for anyone and everyone out in WoW (not just hunters) that think they are the only one that matters.

I am sorry.

[Pent]

I suspect the reason that most people are posting and replying less is that it's all been said, many times over, and yet a few are still posting aggressively, voluminously and frequently in a way that tends to dominate all discussion. Most people just tire of reading this, see no point in arguing further and leave the thread behind.

Yeah, I understand completely.

But who really loses when people forget?

I sense this thread isn't over yet... I am anxiously awaiting 4.0.6 on live.

[Cialbi]

So it's better to take my frustrations out on individual people who disagree with me? I am not that type of person.

Find something in the game to take it out on, something that doesn't care and won't cost you. Your options for venting frustration are not limited to people.

[ummeiko]

Gonna throw out a side perspective. Come 4.0.6, not including Madexx, there will be (subject to change as ptr goes on and more things get discovered/changed, obviously):

3 bats
7 silithids
8 spiders
3 wind serpents
2 carrion birds
5 cats
1 devilsaur
4 hyenas
4 raptors
2 tallstriders
2 wasps
7 wolves
6 bears
1 boar
1 crab
4 crocolisks
1 gorilla
4 scorpids
5 turtles

that are RARE, but have the same skin as a non-rare creature, or in most cases, many creatures. There have been, since the start of PTR, many threads of "Yay, this rarespawn is back!" and none of them were met with "Lol, why didn't you just tame genericmob123 instead of newlyfoundrare?"

I'm sorry, I don't see why Madexx has to be different. The summoning is unusual, yes, and not ideal, but most of us saw that coming. Let him spawn brown. Would I rather have a brown Madexx than a brown common? Of course, and I would act on it (which makes me sad that some people in one thread go *OMGSOMEONEKILLEDMYRAREBANTHEMREPORTTHEMWHATJERKS* have said or thought about outright killing a brown Madexx without a second thought as to whether someone would like to tame it.) I would rather have brown madexx than brown common. I would rather have Broken Tooth than flatland cougar. I don't think I'm the only one who feels this way in all of WoW either. Look at the reaction on this board to returns such as Chatter, Azzere, and Timber.

[Pwncess]

Is it really the color that everyone is complaining about?
So it's brown and more common than blue/green/red/purple/crap yellow/whatever
But it's the Horde-mount look that I thought was special.
=/ I could be wrong.
I'm probably the only person who doesn't want Madexx so I don't have any opinion to place here
Just curious.

[Kalliope]

Making blanket statements harms no one unless people know that they are that way, and then it is their fault if they think I am talking about them.

It harms the tone of the community and it's completely unnecessary.

The whole subject has been argued into the ground. If others have nothing further to say on the subject, you berating the community at large to comment is not going to change that. It's very unproductive behavior.

[Cialbi]

I'm sorry, I don't see why Madexx has to be different. The summoning is unusual, yes, and not ideal, but most of us saw that coming. Let him spawn brown. Would I rather have a brown Madexx than a brown common? Of course, and I would act on it (which makes me sad that some people in one thread go *OMGSOMEONEKILLEDMYRAREBANTHEMREPORTTHEMWHATJERKS* have said or thought about outright killing a brown Madexx without a second thought as to whether someone would like to tame it.) I would rather have brown madexx than brown common. I would rather have Broken Tooth than flatland cougar. I don't think I'm the only one who feels this way in all of WoW either. Look at the reaction on this board to returns such as Chatter, Azzere, and Timber.

I never said that bronze Madexx should be kill on sight; rather, that it will now be quite likely that no one in Uldum will want to tame a bronze Madexx if it spawns. Out of those that want a bronze Madexx, only some will abandon a normal scorpid for a bronze Madexx if the opportunity presents itself, and out of those people, how many are likely to be in the zone, hear about bronze Madexx having spawned, and beat any griefers to the brown Madexx with enough time to pull off a tame? I'll just assume it will be a small percentage of the bronze Madexx spawns that will occur. In other words, I was merely pointing out that keeping bronze Madexx on the spawn table only gives a small chance of making someone happy. Compare that to the number of people who would much rather see a red, green, blue, or black Madexx spawn instead, and would happily tame one of them.

Anyways, Madexx is a completely different case, because out of all those other rares that you listed, none of them will come as a disappointment if they spawn since none of them have a linked spawn timer with unique tamable rares. There aren't angry groans at any of the other rares with common skins spawning.

Is it really the color that everyone is complaining about?
So it's brown and more common than blue/green/red/purple/crap yellow/whatever
But it's the Horde-mount look that I thought was special.
=/ I could be wrong.
I'm probably the only person who doesn't want Madexx so I don't have any opinion to place here
Just curious.

If someone doesn't care about color or novelty but wants the model, they just tame the common scorpid.
But, for those that want a certain color, I bet that very few would complain about bronze Madexx being removed from the spawn timer.

[Pwncess]

By model, I meant this look:

Regardless of color.
I thought people were talking about the color being the issue
but I am really out of it today and could just be confused...

Maybe I should stop posting...but I can't T_T


Edit: So, let me see if I'm on the right page here.
There are 5 different colors for Madexx, but he's the only model that looks like the Horde guild mount.
And brown is the most common spawn, so people want that spawn removed
so that the other "more rare" colors can be more easily camped?

I'm not seeing anywhere where it says that brown is shared with a common.
It's not just the color, it's the look/model. There are no other common scorpids that look like Madexx's model besides the mount. This is where I'm seriously confused but I also haven't had time to read the entire thread as I'm currently posting between Magmaw wipes...

[Pent]

*snip*

I'm sorry, I don't see why Madexx has to be different. The summoning is unusual, yes, and not ideal, but most of us saw that coming. Let him spawn brown. Would I rather have a brown Madexx than a brown common? Of course, and I would act on it (which makes me sad that some people in one thread go *OMGSOMEONEKILLEDMYRAREBANTHEMREPORTTHEMWHATJERKS* have said or thought about outright killing a brown Madexx without a second thought as to whether someone would like to tame it.) I would rather have brown madexx than brown common. I would rather have Broken Tooth than flatland cougar. I don't think I'm the only one who feels this way in all of WoW either. Look at the reaction on this board to returns such as Chatter, Azzere, and Timber.

Heh, I think most of us would rather have a rare spawn over a common spawn with the same color... that isn't why some of us are upset though.

How many of the rares you listed in your thread has spawn times of 6hr-24hrs and has the option to spawn in one out of five different colors within that 6-24hr time frame?

Here is a scenario... let's take Broken Tooth and put him in Madexx's spawn area, give him 4 more colors to spawn in, and then make his spawn time 6-24hrs... same as Madexx right? I wouldn't sit and camp Broken Tooth for almost a month...
Why not, you ask? Because even though he is a rare and is one of five colors that can spawn... he shares his skin with other cats... therefore not like Madexx.

Madexx is different because you can only get that skin by taming him (any color within a 6-24hr timeframe) or by waiting for 4.0.6 and getting the one common one.

Also, take note on what Blizzard is saying about all of the new tameable rares coming back... shorter spawn times.

I apologize if I started rambling on about the Madexx/Broken Tooth thing... I was trying to figure out a way to show how Madexx is different than the rares you listed... I might have failed.


Everyone needs to read what I am getting ready to type here...

I apologize if I seem to be kicking a dead horse, or if I have a one-track mind, or I seem to be typing to see myself type... none of these are the case.
I like having conversations about what could or couldn't happen with certain things, and I try to be open-minded with other people and what they think, and maybe I have not portrayed that very well here, but who can honestly say I was given the same courtesy?
I'll have to live with whatever Blizzard does and even though I said I was going to give up the hunt (did I really say that?) I will not quit til I at least have some other color than the one I have now, and then at that point I will decide if I need to keep going or to end the camp. Time will tell.
I appreciate all of the people who are wishing me and Ryai luck on getting the color(s) we want, and I'll get the Madexx I want sooner or later.

My wife has even offered to learn how to play my hunter up to the point of knowing how to tame Madexx... I thought that was nice of her... but I would hate for her to get killed when I am not around and her not know what to do then, heh. I can just imagine that phone call... Her: "I THINK I'M DEAD, I SEE AN ANGEL... WHAT DO I DO?!?!" Me: "Oooh... try to tame it. I have to get back to work." Her: "but... but... ::dial tone::". I would feel pretty bad if that happened.

[Pent]

Making blanket statements harms no one unless people know that they are that way, and then it is their fault if they think I am talking about them.

It harms the tone of the community and it's completely unnecessary.

The whole subject has been argued into the ground. If others have nothing further to say on the subject, you berating the community at large to comment is not going to change that. It's very unproductive behavior.

I see what you are saying, but where were you earlier in the thread?

I am not sure if it actually happened this way or not, but I was happy... then sad... then frustrated... and I felt like whenever someone was talking about complainers they were talking about me and Ryai, so I started to snap back.

Like I said, anything pre-page 5 or 6 is a blur to me now, so I don't remember how it went down I just remember that all of the sudden me and Ryai were the bad guys... and when I kept saying how Blizzard could change stuff I felt like I was getting told by others to "suck it up".

Like I said, I will try to be more like old Pent and less moody... or at least try to be sarcastic funny moody without making anyone upset.

Sorry.

[Cialbi]

My wife has even offered to learn how to play my hunter up to the point of knowing how to tame Madexx... I thought that was nice of her... but I would hate for her to get killed when I am not around and her not know what to do then, heh. I can just imagine that phone call... Her: "I THINK I'M DEAD, I SEE AN ANGEL... WHAT DO I DO?!?!" Me: "Oooh... try to tame it. I have to get back to work." Her: "but... but... ::dial tone::". I would feel pretty bad if that happened.

Teach your wife how to recover a corpse, silly!

[Ziarre]

Gonna throw out a side perspective. Come 4.0.6, not including Madexx, there will be (subject to change as ptr goes on and more things get discovered/changed, obviously):

3 bats
7 silithids
8 spiders
3 wind serpents
2 carrion birds
5 cats
1 devilsaur
4 hyenas
4 raptors
2 tallstriders
2 wasps
7 wolves
6 bears
1 boar
1 crab
4 crocolisks
1 gorilla
4 scorpids
5 turtles

that are RARE, but have the same skin as a non-rare creature, or in most cases, many creatures. There have been, since the start of PTR, many threads of "Yay, this rarespawn is back!" and none of them were met with "Lol, why didn't you just tame genericmob123 instead of newlyfoundrare?"

That's because those rares that shared their skin with the corresponding common creature(s) didn't also have four other colors that WEREN'T common. That's the only reason why I think the brown color should be removed from Madexx lineup.

Edited because I r teh gud at grammar.

[Ryai]

This is where I'm seriously confused but I also haven't had time to read the entire thread as I'm currently posting between Magmaw wipes...[/b][/i]

Then be confused no longer!

There IS a new common Madexx skin on the PTR live right now. ATM it's a color changer. It's been confirmed the color changers are turning to, yeah you guessed it, Bronze! *jazz hands*

Would I rather have a brown Madexx than a brown common? Of course, and I would act on it (which makes me sad that some people in one thread go *OMGSOMEONEKILLEDMYRAREBANTHEMREPORTTHEMWHATJERKS* have said or thought about outright killing a brown Madexx without a second thought as to whether someone would like to tame it.)

Sorry, I can understand your desire to have a rare, but you need to understand my rage to beat the crap out of Madexx for daring to show his little face in a color I never desired nor would ever really want, and even at a stretch would I even consider taming the brown scorpion, but then again I can go out and tame a common brown one, /end story for that!

I was already contemplating what I'd have to do if a bronze/brown madexx ever spawned in my presence and wasn't tamed or killed when I saw him. I knew I would not tame him, and bothering to whisper people never gets me anyone willing to tame anything before a rare could die. Would I leave it? Would I kill it? So I'll just kill it and profit from the 'priceless tear'.

You act like we'd go out and gank it out from under a hunter. We're not- atleast I AM NOT saying that. I am saying I'd rather take my hatred and fury out on Madexx if I had the opportunity.

I have never before hated a tamable pet so much before, Blizzard, congratulations!

[Pent]

Well, I am not THAT mad.

If Madexx spawns again in front of me and is brown... again... I might get there.

[Pwncess]

This is where I'm seriously confused but I also haven't had time to read the entire thread as I'm currently posting between Magmaw wipes...[/b][/i]

Then be confused no longer!

There IS a new common Madexx skin on the PTR live right now. ATM it's a color changer. It's been confirmed the color changers are turning to, yeah you guessed it, Bronze! *jazz hands*

Heeh ^_^
Thank you for saving me from reading to catch up