loque killed/stolen on zul'jin

[Vetiver]

tonight on zul'jin, my boyfriend found loque in sholazar and was *so* excited. i immediately engineer ported to the basin and flew to where she was, taunted, and held her as he ran to get his hunter as fast as he could.

along comes an orc hunter. at first i thought he wasn't going to be trouble because he just hovered in the air watching me tank her. then he landed, still just watching. i thought maybe he was just curious. i emoted /sorry at him, to let him know that i know he wants to tame it, and i'm sorry but he can't have it.

so he dismounts, stares for another little bit, and then puts his pet away. THEN i knew he was spoiling for a fight, and i was just hoping that my boyfriend would get here in time for the guy to know that a hunter had already claimed it.

apparently he is the world's worst hunter, or just not too bright in general, because without distracting shotting to get it off me, he tried to start a tame. since that didn't work, he arcane shot it until it died. just like that. if you are reading this, mr. terrible orc hunter in your bad guild, i hope you at least figure out that you have to "distracting shot" a mob in order to steal it from someone. idiot.

i know we can't name and shame, and his name is obscured by mine in this shot. my boyfriend was really let down, as he worked a 10 hour shift today with only one 15 min break, and came home to finding his first spirit beast on his own, only to have this happen. (i homed a gondria with him months ago)



when my bf logged over to ask the guy why the hell he thought that was an ok thing to do? his big answer was "ur alliance, im horde" to which my bf responded "i'm waiting for a reason" and he says "that is a reason"...........are you kidding me? if you care that much about the factions then go roll on a pvp server.

sorry just had to vent. mouthbreathers like this really make me just want to walk away from the game sometimes.

[Redith]

Gah..effen hunters should know better. Whatever it pisses me off. The only good thing is Loque is fairly small and unless you have NPC scan most people just miss him so he is fairly easy to camp. You just need time

[Araela]

While that absolutely sucks, I have to comment that if your boyfriend was specifically looking for spirit beasts he should have been on his hunter. From your post, I'm not sure if he was just leveling another toon or looking for spirit beasts on another toon. Regardless, I hope Loq will respawn for him soon!!

Also, in response to this:

when my bf logged over to ask the guy why the hell he thought that was an ok thing to do? his big answer was "ur alliance, im horde" to which my bf responded "i'm waiting for a reason" and he says "that is a reason"...........are you kidding me? if you care that much about the factions then go roll on a pvp server.

sorry just had to vent. mouthbreathers like this really make me just want to walk away from the game sometimes.

PVP or PVE, Horde or Alliance (I play both), that is how a lot of people play. Many people are not as giving as others in terms of trying to make sure that people who are there first/trying to tame get the pet. I have seen many hunters on both sides steal tames or kill tames because they are playing on opposite factions. While my main is a BE Hunter on a PVP realm, I played alliance exclusively for nearly 3 years on a PVE realm. It did not stop me from pissing off the opposite faction.

[Kerriele]

I hate that, I had someone kill me while I was taming King Krush Missed him, I was ever so p*ssed.

[Teevo]

I ran into horde griefing me for Jadefang. Was a terrible experience, so I know how you feel. This horde hunter you describe acted like a child and I'm sorry for your encounter. Keep at it and let us know the happy ending.

[Worba]

Sorry, I understand you and your boyfriend were feeling frustrated, but I don't subscribe to the idea that anyone gets to "claim" a tame - I mean okay, you get to it first, and start taming it, then yeah I do consider that to be "yours" - that's what "first come / first served" is all about, however tagging a mob and then sitting there next to it while a friend comes to tame it does not equal ownership... rather it's a gamble.

[Tulune]

Sorry, I understand you and your boyfriend were feeling frustrated, but I don't subscribe to the idea that anyone gets to "claim" a tame - I mean okay, you get to it first, and start taming it, then yeah I do consider that to be "yours" - that's what "first come / first served" is all about, however tagging a mob and then sitting there next to it while a friend comes to tame it does not equal ownership... rather it's a gamble.

Yeah, I agree with this.

[Araela]

Sorry, I understand you and your boyfriend were feeling frustrated, but I don't subscribe to the idea that anyone gets to "claim" a tame - I mean okay, you get to it first, and start taming it, then yeah I do consider that to be "yours" - that's what "first come / first served" is all about, however tagging a mob and then sitting there next to it while a friend comes to tame it does not equal ownership... rather it's a gamble.

Yeah, I agree with this.

I agree with this too. I would not say he was stolen unless you or your boyfriend were already casting tame and the guy started killing him or trying to distracting shot/steal him from you.

With your /sorry emote at him, which you specifically said was a "I acknowledge your presence here, but you can't have him," you basically told him that you were going to take him no matter what. Was your boyfriend even there when he was killed? If not, the guy could not have really known whether or not you were just really bad at killing things for your Frostbitten achievement, or whether you were holding it for someone. When you boyfriend went over and yelled at him, that confirmed the latter. Regardless, he probably figured, "Well, if I can't tame him, and that person is holding it for someone, I'm not going to let their friend tame it either."

Again, I don't mean any offense to this, nor do I mean this to be harsh, but this is not just a horde side thing. It's easy to blame the opposite faction for griefing regardless of what faction you play, but remember that Alliance has just as many griefers as Horde does. It just happens to be a trend that Alliance will mention it more than Horde, which is why you probably hear about it more as Alliance. Again- I do play both factions, so I'm not trying to be biased here; just a friendly reminder that both sides can be rude.

Also, if this is a recurring problem for you, perhaps you should roll on a PVP server so you can defend yourself. Personally, I prefer my PVP server over my PVE server - it makes the game much more interesting!

[Royi]

Heck, NAME AND SHAME AWAY

I don't think theres a policy against it. This situation sucks, but there are things to prevent it... If you're BF really wants Loque, he should be parked in the Basin at all times while leveling there...

Say if I had a mid 70s alt and wanted to level in the basin, I would first move my hunter to the general area, and then i would go level with the alt. That way it would only take 20 seconds of logout time for me to get on my hunter in the Basin.

I used to do this when I would come across Titanium Nodes... I would move my miner into the general vacinity (because they used to net 50-60g a piece of mats)

[erwil]

Quite the same happened to a friend of mine a little while ago. Me and my friend were hunting rares in Northrend, and Loque was one of the Frostbitten ones we needed. But we had promised that we would try to find a hunter to tame him first instead of killing him on sight.

Loque spawned at the westernmost spawn point near the bones of Nozronn, and we whispered a hunter who we had hunted rare pets for before. While he was flying to the spot, we had Loque tagged in case someone would decide they'd want to kill him before our friend got there (if some other hunter would've got to him first, I would've handed the cat over to them to tame. First come, first serve). The hunter flew through Wintergrasp to get to us quickly, which unfortunately enabled his pvp flag... When he landed and started the tame, an alliance druid landed and one shotted him in mid tame. The wee hunter corpse ran and tried again. The druid killed him again. Our wee hunter friend then decided he'd just jump in a heroic and let me and my friend just get the kill for Loque and try again some other time.

The impression I got, was that the druid was there just to grief the poor hunter, he didn't even get a HK for it because of the honorless target buff. I really don't understand how people can get any kind of kicks from something like that.

[Raydex-of-the-dawn]

Sorry, I understand you and your boyfriend were feeling frustrated, but I don't subscribe to the idea that anyone gets to "claim" a tame - I mean okay, you get to it first, and start taming it, then yeah I do consider that to be "yours" - that's what "first come / first served" is all about, however tagging a mob and then sitting there next to it while a friend comes to tame it does not equal ownership... rather it's a gamble.

Yeah, I agree with this.

I agree with this too. I would not say he was stolen unless you or your boyfriend were already casting tame and the guy started killing him or trying to distracting shot/steal him from you.

With your /sorry emote at him, which you specifically said was a "I acknowledge your presence here, but you can't have him," you basically told him that you were going to take him no matter what. Was your boyfriend even there when he was killed? If not, the guy could not have really known whether or not you were just really bad at killing things for your Frostbitten achievement, or whether you were holding it for someone. When you boyfriend went over and yelled at him, that confirmed the latter. Regardless, he probably figured, "Well, if I can't tame him, and that person is holding it for someone, I'm not going to let their friend tame it either."

Again, I don't mean any offense to this, nor do I mean this to be harsh, but this is not just a horde side thing. It's easy to blame the opposite faction for griefing regardless of what faction you play, but remember that Alliance has just as many griefers as Horde does. It just happens to be a trend that Alliance will mention it more than Horde, which is why you probably hear about it more as Alliance. Again- I do play both factions, so I'm not trying to be biased here; just a friendly reminder that both sides can be rude.

Also, if this is a recurring problem for you, perhaps you should roll on a PVP server so you can defend yourself. Personally, I prefer my PVP server over my PVE server - it makes the game much more interesting!

Hate to be the odd one out, but I disagree - if it's tapped, it's not yours. D: Both factions have griefers, and it's possible to be griefed by your own faction. My advice? Move to Dawnbringer We're cool. I've only met a few douches. One ended up in a group with me for Crucible of Carnage and I "accidentally" healed the wrong person. He didn't die anyways though because he was such a crappy tank that the rogue pulled aggro and tanked xD

[Araela]

Hate to be the odd one out, but I disagree - if it's tapped, it's not yours. D: Both factions have griefers, and it's possible to be griefed by your own faction. My advice? Move to Dawnbringer We're cool. I've only met a few douches. One ended up in a group with me for Crucible of Carnage and I "accidentally" healed the wrong person. He didn't die anyways though because he was such a crappy tank that the rogue pulled aggro and tanked xD

Sorry I was not entirely clear with that part of my agreement, and I thank you for replying to this specifically because I didn't realize that I was unclear. I agree that it's yours UP UNTIL someone else decides that it is theirs. Nothing is ever permanently yours until it is tamed, IMO.

[Ziarre]

That's pretty much exactly why when I started to kite Karoma from her spawn point to hold her for a friend and a horde hunter fell out of the sky, I simply told my friend 'too late' and let her have it. He was too far to make it in time, especially if she decided 'if I can't have it neither can you.' Yeah, it bites, but at least she got tamed instead of nuked.

[Royi]

That's pretty much exactly why when I started to kite Karoma from her spawn point to hold her for a friend and a horde hunter fell out of the sky, I simply told my friend 'too late' and let her have it. He was too far to make it in time, especially if she decided 'if I can't have it neither can you.' Yeah, it bites, but at least she got tamed instead of nuked.

percisely why every Rare-hunter should be a Engineer

Loques up? I'll use Wormhole
Skolls up? I'll use Wormhole
Too bad they haven't come out with a new Cata-Wormhole to port to any of the new zones.... I can hope right?

[Yaone]

percisely why every Rare-hunter should be a Engineer

Loques up? I'll use Wormhole
Skolls up? I'll use Wormhole
Too bad they haven't come out with a new Cata-Wormhole to port to any of the new zones.... I can hope right?

Even tho my hunter is not an engineer, that would be amazing if they made another one xD

(even if they don't. I am still considering making my hunter an engineer)

[Royi]

I at least have Gadgetzan port for moderate ease access to Uldum, and Toshley's Station port.... um... I don't really know the purpose for that one.

[Yaone]

Yep, unless you decided on a whim you wanted ... Nuramoc xD if you don't have him that is

[Vetiver]

thank you for the replies. my boyfriend's hunter would have been in the basin had he not gotten pogeyan before logging off the night before last.

i guess i just don't understand how someone can be so nasty? i seriously doubt the guy was so thick that he assumed the fully raid geared paladin with well over 100k health needed any help killing the 5 levels lower mob she had tagged...so he was doing it to be an ass.

what if i wasn't holding it for a hunter? what if i was holding it because 15 of my achievement hunter friends were on the way to kill it as a raid group thus taking 15 people out of the competition for loque? it doesn't matter, the fact of the matter is that it was MY tag, i was there way before him, and therefore i get to decide what i want to do with it. many of you have said that multiple times.

now, if he had emoted at me at all, /cry, /beg, /question etc, that might have been a different story. or even if he had distracting shot it and started a tame, i would not have killed it (side note, my hunter has spent most of her time in the basin over the last few weeks chasing aotona, and i have never seen this guy before so it's not like he was camping. if he had been a camper i would have given it to him no questions asked and in fact i told my bf that if a certain hunter showed up who i had see a lot that it was theirs). but no, without saying a single word, he switched specs, put his pet away, and started trying to tame it. the tame fizzled because it was not aggro'd to him, so he killed it. never even once distracting shot it. did not even put forth but a cursory effort at taming. how you get to 85 and don't figure out that something needs to be on you for you to tame it, i will never know.

[Lisaara]

I put people like this in WoWJackass.com......I think a few here are missing the fact the OP said he killed it because she was the opposing faction. He figured if he cant have it, the alliance person cant either. I had someone do that to me with my Arcturis on Lisaara. He killed Arcturis after twice he stole the tame and tried to tame for himself and I was there first and had him tagged. He tried to say I killed it when I saw the combat logs and it said HIS Arcane Shot killed it. One of his friends whispered me and apologized for what he did and said the real reason he killed it was because I was alliance.

I do go by the rule of "If it's tagged, it's yours.". If it's grey to you, then you have no business being there. Someone else has it, regardless of reason.

[Royi]

yeah, to go with Talu's post, I still am a firm believer that they should implement that a hunter also "tags" a mob by hitting Tame Beast.

So many times I've heard of a hunter forgetting to hit the mob once before taming (because of the rush/ NPCSCAN drums/ flash/ screen glowing crazyness that happens when a rare is spotted.

It would all be solved by having "Tame Beast" tagging the mob. I wouldn't think that it would be too hard to implement either.