A Serious Matter (Read it.)

[Ryno]

It has been brought to my attention that there are people getting overzealous with helping others tame things. An example is a large group of about eight hunters "helping" Ikutai tame King Krush. Turns out the "helping" killed him before he could be tamed. I'm not going to list names. I shouldn't have to.

This kind of thing is just disgraceful. Ok, you want to help someone tame a rare. Ok, you want to tag it. But really. You don't keep attacking it. And if you do screw it up, it is NOT ok. It is NOT an "oh well. lol" moment.

A little upset? Yes, I am. That people I'd have trusted to help with a difficult tame are the same ones to fudge it up. Was everyone there out to kill him on purpose to be a jerk? Heavens no. I'm sure it was an accident, with varying degrees of guilt all around.

I'm making this post because I don't want it to happen again. Ever. If you are tagging something, and you continue attacking, you spam the Esc key to stop. Anytime you're autorunning and can't stop autoshot, you spam the Esc key. It's that easy.

Again, noone's getting punished. More than likely I will have a little sit-down and chat with a few of the people responsible for things like this. But if I hear about this again I will take action.

Edit: Now it's come to my attention that people can't even respect who was there first for camping a rare. Someone's been there for a long time, camping it before you? Don't move in there and expect to tame it. It's common courtesy. "Common courtesy in WoW? lol" I expect common courtesy in my guild from my guildies. I hope this is clear and I see improvement on this.

Edit: Leaving that up for the sake of it being there. Bottom line: if you're helping someone tame a rare, or tagging it, just be careful that you don't hurt it too bad. I understand this can be hard.

If you're camping a rare, or if you come across a rare you or someone you know would like to tame, ask the guild if they know of anyone camping it or interested. Communication will help resolve most of these mix-ups.

[Sasrei]

Well Ryno.. none of us killed KK. All of us didnt attack him at all, I just used MD once then stopped all together.. was also punted.. like a gnome!
Unfortunately IK kept attacking and someone else didnt get run far enough to drop agro off of him. It was just bad all together So KK ended up getting killed, didnt hear of anyone else getting their rare killed. It was just really an unfortunate accident.

And about those who are camping longer for a rare, I would think normally it would be passed to the one who is camping longest, I understand if maybe you dont know that someone else is looking for that rare and just tame it and I can also understand "omgosh rare that I wanted or would love to have! tame it!" then realize after saying something in chat that someone was looking for it (that happened with me and Karoma, didnt know my guildie was looking for him otherwise I would have passed) but most of us are nice enough to pass to our guildies who have been looking longer.

[Siliverin]

TACO BELL!!

Srs i edited my post xD cause i could xD

[Ryno]

Let me emphasize, for those that are upset.

There is no blame being put out here. I'm not pointing fingers. It was an unfortunate accident that happened. You of course can tag rare spawns for guildies before they get there. I'm just saying be careful, and if someone is already there to tag it, stand by and just watch maybe. Yes, I do know some of you did do this.

As for the rare camping, I'm not sure what to add to what I've said. How do you measure someone who's camped a rare for several weeks to someone who's camped for 12 hours straight? You really can't. I understand getting upset over it. But there is no arbitrary view about it, sadly.

I made the original post based on the facts given to me. Some people are upset about it, feeling it's unfair. Just be aware I didn't have all the facts at the time, and was asked to take action about it. Hence the above post.

Again, it's not aimed at anyone or made to make them feel bad. It's there to create awareness of what behavior is expected in the guild.

[Sasrei]

I understand Ryno, and thank you for clarify but if someone has a problem with me, come to me not go behind my back and get you involved when its not fair to you.

As for a rare, if I see if I usually tag it and keep it trapped for a guildie, if noone wants it I look for another hunter to tame it and just jot down the time for my guildie. I am sorry but I will not spend 20 mins waiting for a guildie to log on when someone else wants to tame it, nor do I appreciate getting blamed for something when I wasnt even on at the time. Reality is first come, first serve, if a friend is camping in Uldum and Madexx pops and he finds it, he has every right to it. My friend was camping Madexx there for a long time, am I suppossed to tell him to go screw off because my guildie who has been camping for 12 hours straight wants to tame it? Is that really how this guild is becoming? Especially when if it was a red or black he was going to tell my guildies, and at the time I dont even think Loc was on..

So I am at the point where I just dont care. Ive helped alot of people get there rares, camped out with a lot of people and for this to happen Im just at the point where Ill say something in chat and just go about my day.

[Royi]

As for a rare, if I see if I usually tag it and keep it trapped for a guildie, if noone wants it I look for another hunter to tame it and just jot down the time for my guildie. I am sorry but I will not spend 20 mins waiting for a guildie to log on when someone else wants to tame it, nor do I appreciate getting blamed for something when I wasnt even on at the time. Reality is first come, first serve, if a friend is camping in Uldum and Madexx pops and he finds it, he has every right to it. My friend was camping Madexx there for a long time, am I suppossed to tell him to go screw off because my guildie who has been camping for 12 hours straight wants to tame it? Is that really how this guild is becoming? Especially when if it was a red or black he was going to tell my guildies, and at the time I dont even think Loc was on..

/stands with Sasrei

[Thrum]

I'll post my point of view, since I was there (partially) for both incidents and have had my own. I was the one that found KK, and held him tagged for almost 20 minutes while Iku logged on and came out to the basin. Not once did he get below 75% for those 20 minutes while others circled. Iku is a RL friend of mine and I've held KK 3 times for upwards of 30 minutes each time hoping he'd get my messages or see a forum post. What happened was purely accidental and I've received whispers from people asking why I killed him or if I did or what happened and I'd like it to stop or at least for the incident to be dropped and moved on from. There's always a tomorrow and another rare spawn, and I'll probably camp again for KK so iku will finally get him Just bad timing when I do find him >.>

As for the camping, I'm gonna be blunt. I camped loque'nahak for almost 70 hours this weekend and up to last night, with 2 times camping 15-20 hours straight yet lost him several times to hunters just flying in on a moment's notice. This is the nature of an MMO. Other people play the game. I don't have rights to Loque just because I've been there longer. I finally got him last night and was never happier. I believe whoever tags it first has the right to kill or tame it. You can debate morals or techniques all you want, but this is how the game is set up. Work within its limits. Not outside of it. Then again, I don't typically rage over video games, so that's my opinion and I respect all others.

Happy Hunting

[Royi]

I believe whoever tags it first has the right to kill or tame it. You can debate morals or techniques all you want, but this is how the game is set up. Work within its limits. Not outside of it.

Yeah I like that idea. I still dont understand what actually happened here and why there were people upset at it (besides having KK die obviously)

I'm happy you finally got you're loque, I know it "pained" you I think to leave the Basin to come grab that Red Madexx that one time (if i remember correct)

[Thrum]

I believe whoever tags it first has the right to kill or tame it. You can debate morals or techniques all you want, but this is how the game is set up. Work within its limits. Not outside of it.

Yeah I like that idea. I still dont understand what actually happened here and why there were people upset at it (besides having KK die obviously)

I'm happy you finally got you're loque, I know it "pained" you I think to leave the Basin to come grab that Red Madexx that one time (if i remember correct)

Part of it was a misunderstanding on how I got involved and I won't go into details, but its silly drama that needs to end.

And yea, I had to be pried away from the basin for both red and brown. Normal hunters drop everything and go. I guess I'm not normal

[zedxrgal]

I believe whoever tags it first has the right to kill or tame it. You can debate morals or techniques all you want, but this is how the game is set up. Work within its limits. Not outside of it. Then again, I don't typically rage over video games, so that's my opinion and I respect all others.

Happy Hunting

To me the whole, whoever tags it first is a bit of a catch 22. Especially when it's between guildies. If it's known that a certain person wants a rare spawn and they start camping it, days go by or even weeks and they're still camping it, how fair is it if a guidie comes along who may have been there an hour, tags it and makes the tame fully knowing someone else wanted it and was looking for it. Tell me how fair that would be. Tell me you wouldn't be pissed. I am not saying this has happened or that's what happened in this particular case but it very easily could happen. I've been camping a rare and have had guildies camping the same rare in another area. So that's where this thought comes to mind. I've also had many many rares completely stolen out from under me, mid tame even and some were after months of camping.

So no it's not always the nature of the beast when someone just wants to be a dick and nudge in on a rare whether it be to tame or kill it. Again. I'm not saying this happened AT ALL in this incident just merely pointing out that simply first come first serve isn't right or fair a lot of the times. And you can sure as hell bet I'd raise cane with someone if I'd been camping for weeks /months, the rare spawns and they tag it first knowing I'd been waiting for it.

Again this is only meant on the sticky issue of fairness. Hope it makes sense.

[Thrum]

To me the whole, whoever tags it first is a bit of a catch 22. Especially when it's between guildies. If it's known that a certain person wants a rare spawn and they start camping it, days go by or even weeks and they're still camping it, how fair is it if a guidie comes along who may have been there an hour, tags it and makes the tame fully knowing someone else wanted it and was looking for it. Tell me how fair that would be. Tell me you wouldn't be pissed. I am not saying this has happened or that's what happened in this particular case but it very easily could happen. I've been camping a rare and have had guildies camping the same rare in another area. So that's where this thought comes to mind. I've also had many many rares completely stolen out from under me, mid tame even and some were after months of camping.

So no it's not always the nature of the beast when someone just wants to be a dick and nudge in on a rare whether it be to tame or kill it. Again. I'm not saying this happened AT ALL in this incident just merely pointing out that simply first come first serve isn't right or fair a lot of the times. And you can sure as hell bet I'd raise cane with someone if I'd been camping for weeks /months, the rare spawns and they tag it first knowing I'd been waiting for it.

Again this is only meant on the sticky issue of fairness. Hope it makes sense.

I completely understand. This is more of a guild issue then. I've been after Loque for almost 2 years and finally decided enough was enough and would not quit until I had him. I've seen him die probably 10 times right in front of me. Had a human DK kill him as I was taming him 4 days ago. My statement was mainly meant for outside the guild issues. If a guildie had tamed him while I was online and in the basin...yes I would probably have confronted them. I would *not* be upset if a guild member tamed Loque while I was offline and couldn't be reached. He's fair game as far as I'm concerned.

In my opinion, if you're not online and people have tried reaching you or you can't be reached, everything goes out the window. *Even if* said guild member has been camping him for 6 years and hes not online in 10-15 minutes and others are there waiting, you tame it. I believe that was the case here.

Edit: To be honest, this is a matter of semantics and purely a guild issue. Most non-guild members don't know how long you've been there. I agree if a guild member tamed a rare out from under you and they *knew* about it, that's a problem. What happened that Ryno is referring to can be traced back to my first statement. It's first come first serve if you aren't online. It's not their fault if you aren't online.

[Sasrei]

If you KNOW that someone has been camping for a rare for weeks, then I do agree it should be given to the person who has been camped for the longest. But If you see a rare up that you really want, and just hit tame because you wanted it badly and then after I hear that someone else was camping for that pet but wasnt in the same vicinity then that isnt that persons fault.

And the thing is even if the person has been doing casual flybys and some camping for weeks for that rare, is it that only the person who was camping that day for said amount of hours deserve it? I am sorry not everyone can spend hours staring at the same screen and talk to the local wildlife like others who can camp that long, whether it be work or sanity kicks in, is it that though ive been camping madexx for over 4 weeks now for green, but because I didnt camp 12 hours straight that it should go to the person who does? Alot of people just happen to fly over.. npcscanner freaks out and they quickly land and tame, but if they know you want it and you are online at the time it would be nice to give it to the person who has been out there the longest. I usually never look for a rare if I know someone else is looking, except Madexx cause we all figured out who wanted what color and were just happy for it to spawn after sitting.. in.. the.. desert..forever.

And to end it all.. this is me.. and deathwing! Signifiying the end of this misunderstandment, next time lets try not to let things blow up and talk about it without alot of anger or hurt invovled *group hug*

And I fully agree with all points

(as you can see.. Reika.. is reaching out to the deathwing.. either that or pointing up the middle finger)

[Royi]

but then Guildmembers cant simply have "dibs" on a rare.

If I had been after a certain rare for a long time, say "Madexx". I had been searching for a Green Madexx for weeks on end, and everyone and their mother in the guild knew about it because I had been mentioning my ventures in guildchat and on the guild forums about it.

Say one day later then, while I'm PVPing in Tol Barad. All of a sudden I see a Silverdragon Guild Notification that Saon (for instance) has spotted Madexx. And she says to herself "yes i found him after a few random flyovers this past week!" and proceeds to tame him.

I HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE PISSED OR MAD AT SAON FOR TAMING WHAT HE FOUND

She found it, I was doing something else at the time. Grats to Saon. End of story.

If you get mad at a guildie because they found the rare before you did while you were off doing something different. Thats RNG. RNG and nothing else is to blame. If you don't like that /gquit. Seriously


*edited to add Saon and her Madexx ventues instead of hypothetical Thrum version

[Thrum]

Thanks for messing up my browser window with your glorious achievement *angry face*

Jk, grats =)

[Kaleos]

Don't forget to check your mail, Saon!

[Thrum]

But I liked the Thrum scenario. MY SAMBAS IS GONE!!!! AHHHHHHHHHH!

[Sasrei]

I am sorry! I dont know why its so big! I was like.. why is it so big?

oh and thank you.. scared the **** at me lol. Just tabbed in after posting my first post on the forums, and then.. SPLAT.. I was like.. WTH!

Oh and.. ive kinda been searching for green for over a month and a half so I am trying to figure out if your start is a story or if your looking for green to or a Madexx? I am writing down a list of people who want him and what color cause.. he no like green lol.

In that time I have found 6 Red, 5 Black, 3 brown, 2 blue, and 1 green.

I tamed, 1 red, 1 black, 1 blue

Ive found dead or it was in the process of being dead

1 red, 1 black, 1 green, 1 brown

I have found homes for

4 red (2 guildies) , 3 black (1 guildie), 2 brown (1 guildie), 1 blue (1 guildie)

Each time I find any rare I ask my guildies if they want it if noone does I look for someone else to tame it. Rares do not stay up so long, plus bad things happen like.. i break my trap, or agro everything else

[Cialbi]

If you get mad at a guildie because they found the rare before you did while you were off doing something different. Thats RNG. RNG and nothing else is to blame. If you don't like that /gquit. Seriously

Yes, I understand that perfectly. If you posted that in response to what Ryno originally wrote, then I think you missed the point (If it wasn't a response to Ryno in particular, then disregard my post). I believe Ryno was saying that there shouldn't be two Petopians camping for the same rare at the same time, unless if there is a mutual agreement between them. If I'm interpreting this wrong, then I apologize.

[Royi]

But I liked the Thrum scenario. MY SAMBAS IS GONE!!!! AHHHHHHHHHH!

Ok here you go.

I am looking for Sambas. Thrum is too. Thrum tames Sambas, I send a electromagnetic shock through my mind onto Thrums compter that forces rickastleynevergonnagiveyouup.avi to consistantly play on Thrums computer without interruption.



~To Cialbi ~

AHH I wasn't responding to Ryno's original post, i still dont really know what happened.

If theres 2 guildies camping for said rare at the same time, whomever was there first should have dibs on the rare (is what I go with). If thats what happened with a couple guildies camping together and one simply swooped in to tame a rare without saying anything... thats uncalled for and shouldn't be allowed whatsoever



Heck, when I played Alliance as a hunter, I let a Orc nab Arcturis simply because he was at the spawn point before I was.

[Thrum]

~To Cialbi ~

AHH I wasn't responding to Ryno's original post, i still dont really know what happened.

If theres 2 guildies camping for said rare at the same time, whomever was there first should have dibs on the rare (is what I go with). If thats what happened with a couple guildies camping together and one simply swooped in to tame a rare without saying anything... thats uncalled for and shouldn't be allowed whatsoever

It actually wasn't that. I want to avoid airing dirty laundry in public channels, but long story short a guild member wanted a certain color of Madexx, said guild member was camping for 12 hours straight (I helped and so did several others). Said guild member logged off and a non-guild member tamed a different color Madexx spawn. That's what I've gathered. Correct me if I'm wrong.