Discussion of Inappropriate Content

[TygerDarkstorm]

That was a good read, thank you for that link.
I think my boyfriend has a stock of the gentlemen's magazines or something like that on his rogue.

But yeah, I think that's a good idea of what would be considered acceptable.

http://www.wowhead.com/item=29571 goes a little bit further as well as http://www.wowhead.com/item=37467 for more ideas of what might be considered acceptable.

[Makoes]

I dont think that things like racism/hatecrimes/slander, rape, or Real-life pornography should be on site (not that I have anything against porn, but its next to impossible to know if the people within the photo have consented to having thier picture posted here.) Exsessive use of course language. Theres to many better word in any language to use curses as the bulk of your post.

What should be allowed:
Mature discusions of physical issues/concerns (pretty much like the ones already here), Drawn nudity (there is nothing wrong with natural anatomy, EVERYONE has it to some degree), rp wise...so long as its done well, and not overboard every single detail, it should be fine.

For the most part though, its not really what should/should't be (I've yet to find something on the forums that has gone to the extreme) I think its more of WHERE the content is. Like all things there's a time and a place for it. If the original poster has not placed an age disclaimer on the thread, then the thread should be kept clean and neat for ALL age groups. People need to take thier que's from the original post on what lv of discussion is appropriat.
The only exception That I could see to that is RP wise, as those types of threads tend to get a life of thier own. I am not sure how RP's are monitered.

[Acherontia]

Going to throw my 2 cents in here. I'm not a prude and I've absolutely no issue with nudity, sex, discussion of everything from techniques to experiences. Not a problem.

1. Porn+: That said, Petopia is a site dedicated to a game oriented toward the whole family, and in particular young folks. Yes, there are a few sexual jokes/references in WoW (THRALL'S BALLS! etc ;D ) but on the whole, I don't expect to find that sort of thing on this site's forum, and I imagine that most casual visitors also wouldn't. I think (and expect) that anything directly pornographic or 18+ should not be on the Petopia forums at all.

2. Mature: Anything regarding sexual health, discussion of the natural behaviors of pets in the Pet Discussion forum, tasteful art that doesn't explicitly show nudity and so forth (half-clothed Amazons or whatever)--I think that's all fine here. However, all of it (bar the discussion of the feces/mating of real animals from a scientific/husbandry point of view, which is fine on all fronts imo) should have a Mature Content warning.

If people DO okay erotic stories and whatnot (which I really don't think belong here) for posting, they should be in a subforum, imo.


+ What I include along with Porn: (not necessarily a definition)

* Erotic images (and by this I go by the old description, i.e. no nude breasts, rumps or groins, OR strongly sexually suggestive posing, i.e. clothed but dripping wet Draenei female soaping her shirt >.>)
* Descriptive erotic roleplay ("the two retire to the bedroom to make good on their bet" isn't descriptive)
* Photographs showing anything gory or, again, pornographic


TLDR: Things seen as specifically erotic or gory have no place here in my eyes. Things of a sexual nature but not erotic are fine, although some of it should have warnings. Oh, and the latter should have *links* and never directly embedded images.

[Nubhorns]

I'm on the fence with ERP. There's nothing inherently wrong with it, and I've pulled off tome tasteful stuff that was far more entertaining than going into graphic detail - I think it depends on the character, really. Using words and descriptions from your character's point of view can turn anything into something completely innocent-sounding or the exact opposite.

But I digress. 99% of roleplaying forums - as in actual sites dedicated to RP rather than just having a subforum for it - have the long-standing rule of 'if it goes beyond kissing, take it to PMs'. As much as I'd love to share my stories of how Veeka pet her adorable bat with a toothbrush and so on, there really isn't much of a point, so I agree that a rule similar to that one should probably be enforced. Brushiebrushiebrushie...

I haven't posted anything nude artwise lately(I think I had one picture with obligatory nipples but cropped it for the sake of Petopia), but I agree that that sort of thing should be allowed - then again, possibly in link form or, heck, even a thumbnail of a headshot and a 'Click the thumbnail to see the full version' or some sort of warning would do. Some people just don't consider nude drawings and/or pin-ups art.

I'm not sure what to say about feces and sex on a whole besides 'use common sense'. If you wouldn't talk with your friends or parents about it, it's probably best to tone it down for the forums. I know it's the Internet and all, but decency is pretty awesome.

Edited for clarity and baby bats.

[Mania says: For more on brushing baby bats, please see the split topic: http://forums.wow-petopia.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=10575]

[SgtMakkie]

Really like what people are writing here and I find nothing i'd alter from the general consensus of what has been written. However there is one thing I'd like to add.

The poster/creator or however you decide to view the bringer of content to the forum. Needs to accept responsibility for what they post and ensure it meets all the necessary credentials detailed eventually by Mania. It came across pretty clear that many people in this community believe the reader is 100% responsible for what they read and click.

It's great to see the discussion of the other thread has turned into a basis for guild-lines that people are seemingly willing to work with.

[GormanGhaste]

The poster/creator or however you decide to view the bringer of content to the forum. Needs to accept responsibility for what they post and ensure it meets all the necessary credentials detailed eventually by Mania. It came across pretty clear that many people in this community believe the reader is 100% responsible for what they read and click.

I don't think anyone here wants to violate forum policy. But the fact of the matter is that different people have different ideas of what is appropriate, and I don't think something should be banned just because a minority of people dislike it. So if you find yourself in the minority, then yes, you probably will be offended if you read indiscriminately.

[Cialbi]

The poster/creator or however you decide to view the bringer of content to the forum. Needs to accept responsibility for what they post and ensure it meets all the necessary credentials detailed eventually by Mania. It came across pretty clear that many people in this community believe the reader is 100% responsible for what they read and click.

I don't think anyone here wants to violate forum policy. But the fact of the matter is that different people have different ideas of what is appropriate, and I don't think something should be banned just because a minority of people dislike it. So if you find yourself in the minority, then yes, you probably will be offended if you read indiscriminately.

Those of us who are LGBT, pretty much anything but straight heterosexuals, are in the minority. Those of us who have had someone extremely close to them killed violently are in the minority. Heck, those of use who are male are in the minority. Does that mean that describing heterosexual sex, violent murder, or the ins and outs of female anatomy (without warning) on these forums is somehow more acceptable than describing homosexual sex or the ins and outs of male anatomy (without warning)? The majority does have more sway than the minority, but that doesn't mean that they have the right to completely tyrannize the minority.

As much as I'd love to share my stories of how Veeka pet her adorable bat with a toothbrush and so on, there really isn't much of a point, so I agree that a rule similar to that one should probably be enforced. Brushiebrushiebrushie...

Edited for clarity and baby bats.

Oh ... my ...

[GormanGhaste]

I don't think anyone here wants to violate forum policy. But the fact of the matter is that different people have different ideas of what is appropriate, and I don't think something should be banned just because a minority of people dislike it. So if you find yourself in the minority, then yes, you probably will be offended if you read indiscriminately.

Those of us who are LGBT, pretty much anything but straight heterosexuals, are in the minority. Those of us who have had someone extremely close to them killed violently are in the minority. Heck, those of use who are male are in the minority. Does that mean that describing heterosexual sex, violent murder, or the ins and outs of female anatomy (without warning) on these forums is somehow more acceptable than describing homosexual sex or the ins and outs of male anatomy (without warning)? The majority does have more sway than the minority, but that doesn't mean that they have the right to completely tyrannize the minority.

I think I worded that badly. Please understand that the minority I was referring to in my post was people that think a large number of things are inappropriate, not the minority groups you mentioned. As I think most people here do not believe in discriminating against minority groups, I don't think the tyranny of the majority would apply to the situations you listed. The point I was trying to make was against the tyranny of the minority trying to suppress anything that didn't agree with their views.

[cowmuflage]

I don't think nudety should be not aloud here if its not sexual acts then it should be fine. My stuff alot of it is topless females and I think thats fine I have put warnings up and they are all in links so if you don't want to see them you can't just "stumble" into them you have to click on the link.

[Worba]

Imo...

Stuff that doesn't need a warning of any kind...

==> Things you would feel comfortable sharing with someone sitting next to you on the train or bus, e.g. someone you barely know but who seems worth having a chat with aka stuff you could post on the blizzard forums without fear of angering the mods...

Stuff that does need a warning (that I can see when deciding if I want to click on it or not, obv)*...

==> Things you would only feel comfortable sharing with a casual friend or distant relative aka stuff that may be a bit raunchy / dark, but not "in your face"

Stuff that shouldn't be housed on the petopia server - e.g. ok to link to it here, as long as it's physically stored somewhere else on the web*

==> Things you would only feel comfortable sharing with a very close umm... acquaintance. Stuff that's risque but not horribly offensive like nudity and/or "softcore" sexual

Stuff that shouldn't be housed or linked to at petopia

==> hardcore porn, or the "usual suspects" e.g. the "-isms" we've all been taught not to toss around (even erring on the side of permissiveness)

Again, just my opinion...

[Cialbi]

I don't think nudety should be not aloud here if its not sexual acts then it should be fine. My stuff alot of it is topless females and I think thats fine I have put warnings up and they are all in links so if you don't want to see them you can't just "stumble" into them you have to click on the link.

Well, I for one was making a big distinction between drawings/artwork involving nudity, and photographs of nude people. Sure, the latter can be artistic, but I don't think that Petopia is the place to discuss the artistic qualities of a Playboy centerfold. If the nudity is limited to drawn artwork, then I won't object.

[Worba]

I don't think nudety should be not aloud here if its not sexual acts then it should be fine. My stuff alot of it is topless females and I think thats fine I have put warnings up and they are all in links so if you don't want to see them you can't just "stumble" into them you have to click on the link.

Well, I for one was making a big distinction between drawings/artwork involving nudity, and photographs of nude people. Sure, the latter can be artistic, but I don't think that Petopia is the place to discuss the artistic qualities of a Playboy centerfold. If the nudity is limited to drawn artwork, then I won't object.

I do not want to see drawings of males with their junk hanging out.

Just sayin.

[Nubhorns]

I don't think nudety should be not aloud here if its not sexual acts then it should be fine. My stuff alot of it is topless females and I think thats fine I have put warnings up and they are all in links so if you don't want to see them you can't just "stumble" into them you have to click on the link.

Well, I for one was making a big distinction between drawings/artwork involving nudity, and photographs of nude people. Sure, the latter can be artistic, but I don't think that Petopia is the place to discuss the artistic qualities of a Playboy centerfold. If the nudity is limited to drawn artwork, then I won't object.

I do not want to see drawings of males with their junk hanging out.

Just sayin.

Hey now, gotta be fair. If we won't see any naked dudes we won't be seeing and naked chicks either.

[Worba]

I do not want to see drawings of males with their junk hanging out.

Just sayin.

Hey now, gotta be fair. If we won't see any naked dudes we won't be seeing and naked chicks either.

I don't care what's behind a link - just as long as there is some warning!

[Cialbi]

Worba, I'm sure there would be a warning on a thread with art involving nude males, either put up by the author or a mod. Also, Nubhorns does raise a valid point. Say that she or someone else decided to draw a bathing scene involving a couple (heterosexual couple, for the sake of example). I'm not talking about a bathtub, but rather a natural spring, pool of water, or base of a waterfall. They are both getting out of the water. If you're going to insist that the male have his back turned, but don't object to seeing frontal nudity on the female, isn't that a double standard?

[Worba]

Worba, I'm sure there would be a warning on a thread with art involving nude males, either put up by the author or a mod. Also, Nubhorns does raise a valid point. Say that she or someone else decided to draw a bathing scene involving a couple (heterosexual couple, for the sake of example). I'm not talking about a bathtub, but rather a natural spring, pool of water, or base of a waterfall. They are both getting out of the water. If you're going to insist that the male have his back turned, but don't object to seeing frontal nudity on the female, isn't that a double standard?

That's why I said it should go behind a link.

EDIT: regardless of gender...

[Acherontia]

Yeah, I personally don't think nudity of any kind--even completely innocent, like the kind Cialbi just described--belongs here. There's too much wiggle room then as to what's tasteful and not, and tbh, I think there's plenty of places people can go to appreciate such artwork without dragging it into a family-oriented site (and by that I mean all age groups).

That, and it'll start hot debate on what constitutes double-standards. I mean, saying you can show a female's breasts but not male genitals may make people shout "sexism," but on the other hand, you can show a man's nipples without anyone batting an eye, but a female's are no-go--sure, one's a mammary gland and associated with sexual activity, or moreso than the male anyway, but still, it's an entire subject that just... doesn't mesh... with a site originally dedicated to WoW hunter pets

[Sukurachi]

In my opinion, this is a forum about hunters, hunter pets, and non-combat pets - as such, nothing that does not relate to that topic belongs here.

I feel the same way about the professional forums where I participate. There's no need to bring up discussion about topics unrelated to the focus of the forum.

Forum users have other avenues if they really need to discuss those issues.

It doesn't mean I have never participated in any off-topic discussions, I have. My preference is for forums to remain focused on their particular topic.

[SgtMakkie]

Thank you Acherontia You summed up the points that I've been trying to make very nicely.

If the nudity is limited to drawn artwork, then I won't object.

Why should drawn artwork be considered any cleaner than a photograph? Nudity is exactly that! The conversations that have already been started in the off-topic chat are wonderful examples of how things can be done correctly (from what I've read so far). Mature conversation about some adult topics.

I'm sorry Cow if you feel offended that you can't express yourself here in a certain way. What is wrong with posting it on your DA site and just linking the DA site (not the pictures directly in your sig - as so many people already do)...? I am not saying links should start appearing to other sites before anyone decides to get smart

--edited double post away, merged them (makkie).

[Cialbi]

In my opinion, this is a forum about hunters, hunter pets, and non-combat pets - as such, nothing that does not relate to that topic belongs here.

I feel the same way about the professional forums where I participate. There's no need to bring up discussion about topics unrelated to the focus of the forum.

Forum users have other avenues if they really need to discuss those issues.

So, throw away every single forum here that's categorized under Other, save the Support forum?

To be clear where I stand, I don't quite agree with Acherontia. My opinion would be more aligned with Cowmuflage's; leave allowances for decent artwork on the Fan Art & Creative Writing forum, so long as the artist posts appropriate warnings when needed.