Selling Rares

[Sasrei]

Whats your view on this? I know a hunter who will get the rare to low health, then will wait to sell it. Has done it alot apparently, just getting them to a low enough health that people cant pull agro off him and then will sell it to the highest bidder.

To me its wrong just because hey you saw it first but if you have no intentions of taming it why not leave it for someone else? But I camp rares for alot of people so idk.. He also plans on selling rares he did get for a profit cause well he "camped" it so he can do what he wants with it.

Just a friendly debate on what you guys think? If you tag it is yours to do whatever by right or is it wrong to sell something if someone wasnt there fast enough to tag it first or in the area?

[Kurenio]

Personally I think it wrong to ransom a rare spawn like that. It not fair to other hunters who truly do want the pet and not a quick buck. On the topic though I see nothing wrong with a hunter putting a bounty on the head of a pet... you know paying for anyone to tell him when it spawns, and protect it till he get their to tame it.

[Arrol]

i'd either kill the pet myself so that the guy can't sell it and will eventually give up without a sale and move on. its cruel but only way to make him stop. Other then that just have nobody place bids and let the pet die from him after he gives up trying to sell it. Again. he cant sell it he'll give up. let hunters who want it not HAVE to go through this guy to get a tame. make the guy have to go through hunters to get a sale

[Yaone]

I hate to admit this, but when someone did this on my server, I did kill it. Only took once, he didn't do it again.

[Novikova]

I would probably kill it and tell them to knock the crap off. But I'm kinda pugnacious. :3

I think it's wrong to put a 'bounty' or ransom on a pet. It's one thing if someone OFFERS, it's another to go 'Give me X or I'll punch your kitty in the face. TO DEATH'.

[Kurenio]

I would probably kill it and tell them to knock the crap off. But I'm kinda pugnacious. :3

I think it's wrong to put a 'bounty' or ransom on a pet. It's one thing if someone OFFERS, it's another to go 'Give me X or I'll punch your kitty in the face. TO DEATH'.

Well a bounty is offering someone gold to help you get a pet :O I is confused

[Nubhorns]

I like how it's okay to kill a tagged and trapped rare if the person is trying to sell it, but it's a horrible wrong to kill one just wandering around because it's rare. :P

What someone does to a rare when they have it tagged and are holding it is none of my business. If someone is stupid enough to shell out gold for a mob who will respawn later on, more power to them - and send those people to my server, damn it.

[Shade]

If I saw someone with a rare that they were trying to sell? I would honestly kill the rare and then report the person to Blizzard. If that is not against the rules it damned well should be. That is just beyond ridiculous.

Edit: let me clarify-I think once you tag a rare you are fine to kill it or tame it or hold it for a buddy.

But to take that rare and start taking bids on who gets it sounds like an exploit to me and I would honestly be mad enough if I saw that to kill the rare myself.

[Gumballs]

I like how it's okay to kill a tagged and trapped rare if the person is trying to sell it, but it's a horrible wrong to kill one just wandering around because it's rare.

What someone does to a rare when they have it tagged and are holding it is none of my business. If someone is stupid enough to shell out gold for a mob who will respawn later on, more power to them - and send those people to my server, damn it.

This. ^

[Azunara]

I like how it's okay to kill a tagged and trapped rare if the person is trying to sell it, but it's a horrible wrong to kill one just wandering around because it's rare.

What someone does to a rare when they have it tagged and are holding it is none of my business. If someone is stupid enough to shell out gold for a mob who will respawn later on, more power to them - and send those people to my server, damn it.

This. ^

What these people said. Silly morals is silly.

I bolded and italicized the best part and most important part.

[Nubhorns]

If I saw someone with a rare that they were trying to sell? I would honestly kill the rare and then report the person to Blizzard. If that is not against the rules it damned well should be. That is just beyond ridiculous.

We'd have to get a GM's opinion on that. I know that selling art for gold is 'technically' against the rules but not heavily policed in the least, so this might be a similar situation.

Edit: Best not to come off like I'm trying to start something. xD

[bluddy]

Back when i was camping madexx and after abut thrtee weeks of asking in general someone replies with *i found him , brown (back then it was still rare) 2K or he dies. i said no and he killed it and kept harassing me with the crystral for an hour or two until i decided to log off (mind i put him on ignore four times..)* Whoever comes first gets to do with the rare what he wants and it aint illegal to be a (insert swearing word) when obviously knowing someone is looking for him.

[Kalliope]

This is worse than just outright killing a rare, IMO. And it IS against the ToS, afaik.

[Yaone]

I like how it's okay to kill a tagged and trapped rare if the person is trying to sell it, but it's a horrible wrong to kill one just wandering around because it's rare.

What someone does to a rare when they have it tagged and are holding it is none of my business. If someone is stupid enough to shell out gold for a mob who will respawn later on, more power to them - and send those people to my server, damn it.

I haven't said this myself, but I don't kill rares when I see em out in the open. Just incase

[Yoruko]

My feelings here are similar to other such cases; the one selling isn't stupid. The one buying is. They empower the person to do more of it which leads to more competition eventually. (Gold sellers, ring any bells? If no-one bought it, no-one would sell. Less accounts robbed empty.) Though, I'm not saying that such "extortion" is morally acceptable but hey.. if he got to it first, none of my business. If someone tells me "2k or the rare dies" I'll just /laugh and move on with my business. Maybe they'll realize later on how silly it is doing such a thing in a video game where the monster will eventually spawn again.

Oh and yeah, it does sound borderline against ToS to me too. Not sure though so I aint' gonna argument anything from that perspective.

[Novikova]

I like how it's okay to kill a tagged and trapped rare if the person is trying to sell it, but it's a horrible wrong to kill one just wandering around because it's rare.

What someone does to a rare when they have it tagged and are holding it is none of my business. If someone is stupid enough to shell out gold for a mob who will respawn later on, more power to them - and send those people to my server, damn it.

This. ^

What these people said. Silly morals is silly.

I bolded and italicized the best part and most important part.

I think dismissing people altogether for being frustrated with something is ... truly the silly view. People come here to vent as much as anything. And most of us think this kind of thing sucks. If you wanna kill it, go for it. Griefing people sucks though.

If he gets paid gold for it, odds are the jerkoff is going to keep doing that if he can. Nothing says fun like having some wanker and his buddies sitting on you during a rare camp because they discovered they can force people to pay a toll.

It's one thing to kill a rare roving around because it's ingrained into people. That happens. I wish they'd put a tag on it that says 'tamable' or whatever. It is another to be an utter asshole about it.

Yes, frustration passes, mobs respawn. But dang yo. That's harsh. And I would imagine this kind of 'ransoming' would count as griefing. Fortunately, I've only run into this twice on FM.

Edited to Add: Yes, I would think long and hard before I kill that rare because frankly, I hate it when people kill tamables that don't respawn on old world timers (IE: Really fast). I really feel bad for anyone who wants Terrorpene about now. Again, I would only THINK about it if they were going lololol 2k or the cat dies lolol. Or I might just report 'em for being wankers.

But I stand by the fact I may be more forceful sounding than I mean to be. >_> I'm blunt like a rhino with a 2x4. Trying to be ... gentler.

And I'm failing miserably. God I'm so mean. I'm sorry. I'll get this right yet...

[Nubhorns]

Not mean at all Novi. Quite pleasant actually, if you ask me. :)

It is harsh, yeah. I wouldn't go so far as to mock the morals of someone who thinks it's wrong, but I still reserve the right to think that people who 'buy' the pets to 'save' them are just making the problem worse. I don't deny that it hurts to lose something you want oh-so-badly, but it is a game, and mobs do respawn, no matter how many times they get killed. I think it's obvious that I'm not really pro-camping in the first place, but I'm not going to get weepy over someone holding Loque hostage because I still consider the basics of hunter etiquette to be in place: they got it first. Log the time and try again later.

I don't take issue with people being upset about it or wanting to do something to stop it. Certainly not! What I do take issue with is the cherry-picking when it comes to deciding when it's okay to follow the unspoken 'rules' of hunterdom. It's absolutely silly and unfair to try and make people feel bad about killing a rare in the wild when it's apparently perfectly acceptable to kill something that is tagged and being held because you(general you here) think what the person is doing with it is "wrong". No one has any right to deny another hunter a pet if they got there first, no matter what they do with it. By killing the tagged rare you are being just as bad as the jerk who kills a pet mid-tame that we all titter angrily about, because they are exactly the same thing, the only justification behind your actions is 'well I don't like what they were doing'.

I'm not supporting the people who sell the pets in any way, but I also believe that if you're going to make up etiquette for a class you need to actually follow your own rules so to speak.

This is another problem that is best addressed by not doing anything about it. Don't buy it, don't kill it, because that just shows that you have an active interest in it and they're getting a reaction out of you. Report it, log the time, maybe have a sniffle or two and move on.

[Shadowkaizen]

I think its wrong personally...I also don't think we should encourage this behavior as it will lead to other classes hunting our rares too and deciding to open a new market at our expense.

[Shade]

I don't take issue with people being upset about it or wanting to do something to stop it. Certainly not! What I do take issue with is the cherry-picking when it comes to deciding when it's okay to follow the unspoken 'rules' of hunterdom. It's absolutely silly and unfair to try and make people feel bad about killing a rare in the wild when it's apparently perfectly acceptable to kill something that is tagged and being held because you(general you here) think what the person is doing with it is "wrong". No one has any right to deny another hunter a pet if they got there first, no matter what they do with it. By killing the tagged rare you are being just as bad as the jerk who kills a pet mid-tame that we all titter angrily about, because they are exactly the same thing, the only justification behind your actions is 'well I don't like what they were doing'.

I'm not supporting the people who sell the pets in any way, but I also believe that if you're going to make up etiquette for a class you need to actually follow your own rules so to speak.

This is another problem that is best addressed by not doing anything about it. Don't buy it, don't kill it, because that just shows that you have an active interest in it and they're getting a reaction out of you. Report it, log the time, maybe have a sniffle or two and move on.

However, if it is allowed for someone to tag a rare spawn and the auction it off to the highest bidders-that is not right, and I can hardly believe that is is within the rules of the game. If one person gets away with it, others are going to be doing it. I can see it now, the newest rares, getting sold for thousands-and we all know there are people who would pay and people who would start hunting those rares just to auction them off. THAT is wrong and shouldn't be allowed. If I see someone doing that, yeah I would kill the pet and report that person to Blizzard. I don't see that as being the same as me coming up, seeing someone taming a beast and in a fit I kill it because I'm mad that they got there first. Those are two very different situations. I would never condone killing a pet that someone is holding-either to tame for someone else or to kill themselves.

But auctioning it? That sets a bad precedence that could and likely would ruin the game for any hunter who wants to tame a rare ever again.

And I am highly certain that this would be something against the rules, somewhere, surely.

[Monica Gems]

i'd either kill the pet myself so that the guy can't sell it and will eventually give up without a sale and move on. its cruel but only way to make him stop. Other then that just have nobody place bids and let the pet die from him after he gives up trying to sell it. Again. he cant sell it he'll give up. let hunters who want it not HAVE to go through this guy to get a tame. make the guy have to go through hunters to get a sale

I would too.