And you thought the rare pet griefers on your server suck

[Novikova]

Eeeh, I dunno. I got one guy a few hours of suspension because he was doing something similar (parking with his pet out and killing the rare). If he's doing it constantly, just file tickets and have your friends do so.

Griefing is at least a warning and you can move up that penalty volcano pretty fast. :> Granted, I only got a warning for telling someone to 'f off' after he made several alts and kept deleting them to harass me.

[Royi]

The sad thing is though that he spent all that time making strat to make it easier for OTHERS to tame it but wont let anyone tame it on the server? That is.. extremely sad. I know about the no naming/shaming but if this guy is doing it alot AND is a "petopian" I think his name should be out there.

Its really.. sad that the rares have brought out the really bad evil side in people.

I think if its a actual petopian who yes did post a strategy to help people tame it, then acts like this, or whatever should be named and flamed. Petopians shouldn't stand for other petopians doing this.

[Royi]

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[Ijomi]

/facepalm And now the people commenting break it too.

Folks, there is a lovely site for that, though I question the logic of schoolyard namecalling somehow making you look better. It's called WoWJackass.com. Look it up, use it. But even it has rules on the wording of the complaint.

As for Petopia, there. Is. A. Rule. Against. Naming. And. Shaming. If you do not respect the rules of this forum, perhaps another would be to your taste, as awful as a pit of flame wars that place would surely be.

[Azunara]

The sad thing is though that he spent all that time making strat to make it easier for OTHERS to tame it but wont let anyone tame it on the server? That is.. extremely sad. I know about the no naming/shaming but if this guy is doing it alot AND is a "petopian" I think his name should be out there.

Its really.. sad that the rares have brought out the really bad evil side in people.

I think if its a actual petopian who yes did post a strategy to help people tame it, then acts like this, Lethonix or whatever should be named and flamed. Petopians shouldn't stand for other petopians doing this.

No, no, no, and more no.

Despite the fact this whole thread has been reported already, (I would've if it hadn't been yet.) the rules state no naming and shaming.

http://forums.wow-petopia.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2

Seriously. When you name and shame, you know who's breaking forum rules? You are. Not that guy, you. Looking at the forum rules, nowhere does it say a guy can't hoard rares or prevent other people from getting them. That is a Blizzard matter. When you name and shame, you break the forum rules and are just as likely to be punished. Simple. Deal with the guy in game, but not here, because that's not our job. If the mods want to take action against the hunter the OP speaks about (which, technically, they don't have to,) that is their job. Otherwise, no. Just drop it.

[Aeladrine]

The sad thing is though that he spent all that time making strat to make it easier for OTHERS to tame it but wont let anyone tame it on the server? That is.. extremely sad. I know about the no naming/shaming but if this guy is doing it alot AND is a "petopian" I think his name should be out there.

Its really.. sad that the rares have brought out the really bad evil side in people.

I think if its a actual petopian who yes did post a strategy to help people tame it, then acts like this, the hunter or whatever should be named and flamed. Petopians shouldn't stand for other petopians doing this.

It's still very much against the rules. You should probably edit out his name in your own post, as I have done here as I've quoted you.

No matter what the person has done, rules are still rules. They have the same rights as everyone else. Whether they are arrogant, a jackass, or just plain stupid, they still do not deserve to be named and shamed.

Post it on wowjackass.com. Not. Here.

[Dr. Rockso]

a little Update on this apparently his guild helps him with this griefing and thinks its funny....

that's just sad

[Ijomi]

Another post to report. I'm also personally amused how anyone is to believe this without evidence of any kind.

[Worba]

When you name and shame, you know who's breaking forum rules? You are. Not that guy, you. Looking at the forum rules, nowhere does it say a guy can't hoard rares or prevent other people from getting them. That is a Blizzard matter. When you name and shame, you break the forum rules and are just as likely to be punished. Simple. Deal with the guy in game, but not here, because that's not our job. If the mods want to take action against the hunter the OP speaks about (which, technically, they don't have to,) that is their job. Otherwise, no. Just drop it.

I basically agree... basically. I think the OP should have, as everyone else has said, omitted the other hunter's name - but PM'ed Mania with the name and details.

"But Mania isn't a Blizzard GM!!"

No, but she has been very clear that one of the most important (if not the most important) rule here is treating other Petopians with Respect.

And this raises an interesting question - is that respect purely confined to what happens here at the forums? I would assume mostly but not entirely, else Petopians could stalk eachother in-game, and come back here to brag about it. I would regard this therefore as a gray area inasmuch as I can't recall a previous instance where in-game behavior that was clearly 200% against our basic site ethics was alleged against another Petopian.

So I hope Mania will look into this offline. What action if any she takes is (obviously) entirely her call, but if true, this is a very serious matter and I don't think we should just kick the can down the road without at least giving some serious thought to the whole "what happens in wow stays in wow" thing.

[Ijomi]

It's a rather tough case to try painting an entire guild of 147 members with the same brush. It would be Mania's call, but I do not believe that the rest of the forum has any need to hear details. So far, all this has been is a he-said/she-said at best, and now it's branching into a smear campaign against a guild....all without any form of proof whatsoever.

[Worba]

We at Petopia smear with a very broad brush every day - the one big difference here is that the person was named.

As I said, I trust Mania to handle it offline in a fair manner to all parties.

[Aeladrine]

I would agree with Worba. The OP is obviously just ignoring any and all help we try to give to keep him from getting in trouble. At this point, just let Mania deal with both the OP and who he is accusing. Both (if the accusations again the other hunter are even true) have been disrespectful to other members of the forum (if the accusation is true, they have in fact been disrespectful to each other).

I think this serves as a lesson to remind us exactly what the forums rules are and how we should be following them.

[Novikova]

I suspect it might be Big Guild Syndrome. If a guild's main goal is lots of members, well... not everyone is going to be good and nice.

Edit: I can see the the hunter in the OP griefing but a whole guild seems yeah.

[Aeladrine]

Or they could be a smaller guild full of perfectly nice people. There has been no proof provided for any of these accusations, only very a vague telling of what a Petopian supposedly did. There are no screenies, there is absolutely nothing other than the OP's word that anyone in the guild does this, and the OP has shown themself to be unwilling to listen to those trying to help.

I would take everything the OP says with a grain of salt at this point, until they can provide proof that what they say is true and stop the shame gaming.

[Royi]

Just because he didn't necessarily break any of the rules HERE, doesnt mean that his past actions (if true) about grieving others over "his" rare shouldn't be known by others.

Hey Mr. Fred, I know you have 7 DUI's and 3 2nd degree assault charges on your record, but since those were in the state of Wisconsin, sure you can drive a school bus full of children here in Minnesota, since well you were only breaking Wisconsin laws...

[Azunara]

Fine. Let them be known. I don't care. As long as it IS NOT HERE. Let me bold, and repeat, and italicize.

There is no naming and shaming. This matter if for Mania to deal with, should she chose to deal with it. It is not our place to proclaim his name across the boards and shame him.

Okay? Okay. So whatever argument you have, can't apply. Rules are rules are rules. Put it on the many number of sites you can post jerks on. But this isn't one of them. If you continue the whole, "Let's name and shame this guy! " attitude, you are just as likely going to get in trouble as the OP.

@Worba: I suppose you're right. I guess what I'm saying is that banning this guy would be an extreme punishment, though I could see a warning, just like the OP will likely get for continual breakage of the rules.

@The Whole Guild Accusation: I remember way back when I was learning about types of bias and whatnot, generalization was one of them. And our teacher always told us to be careful about these, because generalizations are nasty things. Accusing the entire guild is like saying all hunters must be stupid and don't know how to play. You have no evidence and are assuming everyone is either doing the act of griefing, or is a hunter and doesn't know how to play. Neither have a safe basis to stand upon.

[Worba]

@The Whole Guild Accusation: I remember way back when I was learning about types of bias and whatnot, generalization was one of them. And our teacher always told us to be careful about these, because generalizations are nasty things. Accusing the entire guild is like saying all hunters must be stupid and don't know how to play. You have no evidence and are assuming everyone is either doing the act of griefing, or is a hunter and doesn't know how to play. Neither have a safe basis to stand upon.

Yep generalizations suck - your teacher sounds like a wise person.

And I'm not condoning naming & shaming - as you say, the rules are the rules, and you can't name names. That shouldn't have happened.

My interest in this was mostly concerning the fact that this scenario highlights a gray area in the forum rules. I don't see it as a bad thing that there is a gray area - I see it as a case of rules evolving in response to RL events, and whatever the (offline) outcome, I hope it gets seriously looked at (both in terms of "is this true" and "either way, as a general matter, should members be 100% unaccountable for their in-game actions, even as we post thread after thread decrying the behavior of people in-game")*.

*I had a bit of paralegal training way back, hence why I find this stuff interesting.

[Shade]

I'm surprised this board is still getting responses from people. If it is truly against the rules, why not stop bumping it up and posting again and again to argue with someone who is obviously ignoring what everyone tells them?

And why has it not been deleted yet? Is Mania off-line or something?

[Worba]

Who is arguing?

[Azunara]

Eh, I admit I was arguing with Royi, but mainly I was hoping I can get it into people's heads the rules.

That said, it hasn't been deleted because Mania must have real life stuff on her hands and hasn't been around and frankly, if I've said this once, I'll say it again, the way moderation is taken care of these days wasn't much of an improvement of the old days, and if anything, moderation has gotten worse. Threads like these last much longer, gold spam posts last for a while, etc.

And I can understand that, Worba.