Common Courtesy?

[Seiryu]

I was curious to see what peoples opinions on this are.

I've been camping Deth'tilac from about 8am to now almost 4pm.

Do you think people that just come in for the occasional check or camp for 10-30mins are just as entitled to getting the first shot at it than the person who spent many hours camping?

I personally feel, if you see someone else at a spawn spot. Go ahead and camp with them. But at least give them the first shot. If they die or fail, you then are able to get a shot in.

I've been talking to a lot of hunters on my server that I see "fly" by. And they are basically saying that if it spawns they are going to fight til the end for it. I would say close to 10 hunters have said this, with 1 or 2 saying they would give the original camper a shot first.

So far, the last 2 Deth's I've seen have been stolen. First was to me, and the 2nd time was I came and checked. He was up but 2 hunters were already going at it. The one who started the encounter about a minute before the other eventually lost aggro.

This scares me because my hunter isn't in the best gear. I know "supposedly" they are going to make it so you can only tame a target that you have tagged. But I am doubtful about it.

[Huntard]

I had that same issue with Skarr. I got frustrated to the point I started employing people via realid with alliance alts to come gank them until they left. Asshole on my part, I know but after camping for 10 hours straight after having 2 killed during my tame, one by a hunter trying to steal, I was at wits end, especially when the one who kept coming back every 2 hours or so made it obvious they would try and steal tame. (she actually laughed about the idea of taking him from me):D She gave up on messing with me however after three alliance rolled up and made it very obvious whose side they were on.

[Seiryu]

Ya. I have a shammy friend with me. Been here with me for 3 hours or so, maybe 2. Hoping I can have him spawn when no other hunters are nearby for the first minute or 2.

Probably just going to burn him down with dps for the first bit and then eventually send in the pets.

There's another hunter here that has said good luck to me and logs in and out and said he wasnt going to steal it. But not sure. Can never really trust anyone tbh.

[Lisaara]

Personally I've always felt the hardcore camper gets dibs til they screw up and die.

[Monica Gems]

I actually will not camp if I arrive and someone else is there. First come first serve.

[Aleu]

To me, it's whoever gets off the tame first. You spent hours there and screwed up? Next person who gets it off, gets their chance. I've beaten long hour campers to rares before, mostly due to dumb luck. My example being Sambas. One guy had spent hours there. I showed up, circled for an hour and found him before the other Hunter did. He was unfortunate not be waiting at the point Sambas popped at. He went off on me too.

I usually will let the longer camper take a shot first. They die? My turn... Less someone else beats me to it. =/

[Nimae]

I, too, will give the long-term camper first dibs on the tame. I usually am the long-term camper but if I arrive and someone else was already there, I'll whisper the hunter and start up some dialogue. If I see the same hunter a couple of days in a row, I'll usually end up leaving the area and adding the hunter to my friends list. By that time, we've talked enough and they'll whisper when they're successful.

I like to lend a hand, too, and have had a few whisper me for help with the tames. I've noticed the same Ally hunter (I'm Horde) camping, and although the first couple of tames were kinda messy (including PvP between his crew and some other Horde hunters in the area), I've made it clear that when I see him camping, I'm just there to watch the show.

So, long story short: if someone's already there, they get first dibs in my book. In cases where I've chatted with some hunters for a couple of days or more, I've given them two or three shots before I try. That way, it's clear that I wasn't just swooping in. Otherwise, they get first try; once they die, fair game for whomever can successfully tame!

[zedxrgal]

I think the issue is .................... a fly by hunter doesn't know you've been there for hours, days or weeks. They only know they came around and saw you. IF they see you. And most hunters (at least the bad ones) can be fibbers so they may not even believe you if you ask for the courtesy of first attempt because you been there X amount of time and they just got there.

Yes the animal should be yours if you tag it first. However if you don't complete then next in line. I personally would leave or respectfully ask the other camper if they minded if I stayed. If they say no it won't break my heart. But be mindful that way to many hunters are rude pricks who don't care how long you've been there, may not believe you and will take the first shot.

But ...................... yes. Courtesy should always comes first but sadly with some it doesn't.

Hope you get your pet.

[Quiv]

When I got Skarr, I had actually let 4+ hunters go before me... probably more since his AOE killed me and I had to slow ghost run back... and while running, I know of at least 2 other hunters with "quick and the dead" run past me.

I let them try, I sat, ate, waited for them. When they failed, I stepped up, did it correctly, and got him (why they don't research this, I dont know).

Yet I still got whispers. "Ninja!" "You should have let me have it!" "I have been camping all day." etc. I tried to be helpful, let them know the general strat, but still.

Edit: I wont camp if someone is already there, though. I just happened on Skarr while camping Kirix, and took a shot.

[Nubhorns]

I don't like the "I was there longer" argument because there's never enough conversation between the two hunters for anyone to know, or, hell, for anyone to care at all. Hunter B doesn't know that Hunter A has been inhaling espresso and playing Bejeweled in front of Skarr's spawn point for three days now unless he's been out there for the same amount of time, and Hunter A immediately thinks 'This sodding jerk is trying to move in on my pet after I sat out here for three days!' while Hunter B might be thinking something completely different. It plays on the stress of long term camps, and there's generally a lot of assumption going around - X is trying to steal Y by sitting there, X doesn't deserve it - the only time length of camp comes into play is when the pet pops up and everyone goes for it, or you miss it, and by then it's a plaintive stab at making the tamer feel guilty. Everyone sitting out there in hardcore campsites just wants to get their bleedin' pet and go afk in Stormwind while sleeping face-first on the keyboard, and there's understandably a lot of animosity flying around. I try not to assume the worst about anyone in any case.

But I digress. More on the topic of the OP's post, I don't usually have a 'take turns' issue. If someone is there already, I leave. If someone else shows up, I'll wait for a bit to see if they take off, but I really can't be assed to risk fighting over some pixels with an Internet jerkwad, so I tend to just leave and come back later. I am as casual a camper as you can get - I live off of fly-bys, and I've gotten essentially everything I've wanted that way. While I'm in no hurry to get the newest stuff, I do believe that if more than one hunter is sitting there(for some bizarre reason, since I thought the law of camping was not to pile on one campsite) they're all entitled to a stab at the pet when it spawns. First to tag gets to go first, in the sense that a quick reaction time is a more solid 'excuse' than someone's claims that they've been sitting there for days. Hunter A is no more entitled than Hunter B because he's skipped sleep and food and social interaction for days to get a cat - he's just slightly more insane.

[Rynbi]

I actually will not camp if I arrive and someone else is there. First come first serve.

I was going to say the same thing.

Sometimes I'll stay if an Alliance is there, but I'm not going to fight over it with another Hordie. I'd rather tame a rare when I don't have to fight over it or worry that someone is going to get mad and kill it.

[Thwip]

And you also have variables to consider when Hunter B stumbles over Hunter A who has AFK'd or hasn't moved in five minutes and you're now staring at a rare you would like to tame.

This kinda situation is aaalways touchy. I really don't want to camp for any of the new rares and I've gotten mine by the Nubhorn method above. My Ban'th popped for me right when I logged in to do my fourth check for the evening while I had been playing another toon in the meantime. I pulled my long hours in Wrath and really don't want to do it again. >.< I got other things and other toons to be on while my hunter is waiting.

Sure, if I log in and someone is there, then I'll log out or leave, but then you got the whole afk thing to mix in with that. I also hate spot stacking with a passion. While, I do usually go for the first come, first serve method....to me that kinda goes out the window when Hunter A goes or is in afk mode. I know that seems a little douchey, but if I sit there and stare at you for five minutes with a rare in our grill and you go afk....And I've been making 'OMG DUDE' hand signs at the computer the whole time. *shrugs* That's just something that falls under a very thin line of 'Is this ok or not?' and everyone is gonna have their own opinion on it.

[Worba]

No, camper B has no idea how long camper A has been there, but having arrived to find A already there, one thing is immediately, inescapably obvious - camper A was there first. At that point, it's common courtesy that B either leaves, or at least lets A know they will let them have first shot before they stack.

It's by no means mandatory obviously, but to do otherwise is to ignore common courtesy.

That being said, common courtesy is a two way street - if someone is going to camp, I'm only going to take their "claim" as seriously as they do - at least remain near your PC and plan to run over to it if you hear the NPCSCAN horn going off.

[Seiryu]

Thanks for the responses.

I do agree that the other hunter's sometimes have no idea how long you've been there. In my case. I was there from 8am until almost 8pm. And these hunters that were saying they were going to try and nab it regardless checked multiple times throughout the day (talking like 7+ times in a 12 hour window). So in my case at least, every time they logged in, I was there. I would hope they could put 2 and 2 together and think "Wow, this guy's still here, I don't think he's ever logged off".

Deth did finally spawn and I did get him though! Was my second longest camp to Arcturis. At least this time I didn't have Deth stolen mid fight like last time. 15 seconds after I pulled, another hunter showed up and started sending his pet in. Which scared me a little because any other hunter could easily kill Deth sending his pet in once he reaches 20% and then kill himself too.

The other hunter there, that was giving me the most trouble. Was basically saying even if I tagged it first, he was going to try his best to try and win aggro.

As far as if a rare pet is up and you see the hunter that has been there a while still afk. That's fair game in my books. If they are really actively camping it, they should be able to get back to their pc within a minute or 2 easily. Other things can happen that could prevent it, but still.

[Acherontia]

I think it's rude to come and sit on someone who's already camping, period. Spread out and pick different spawnpoints. As much as I dislike the way Ponderance comes across sometimes (the guy who did the TLPD guide & site), I do agree with his main point: do not crowd spawnpoints. If you go away for one minute, and come back to find someone sitting in your spot, you've lost it, even if you were there for hours or days. Go to a different one.

If there's only one spawnpoint for a mob, and already several hunters, if you REALLY want the pet, then just join the crowd. You aren't being rude if there's already lots of competition, imo--but I wouldn't interrupt another hunter's tame, nor would I try and kill the beast, obviously. Once it's tagged, I'll feign and /gz whoever got it. And yeah, if six people die trying to tame it and I'm next in line, I will tame it if I've also been camping--even if I do feel bad, I don't think it's rude as such.

By the way, congrats on your Deth'tilac

[Hannibal]

If I arrive at a rare camp and another hunter is already there, I'm going to let them tame it first. I usually won't even stay. If I do stay, it's just so I'll see it spawn and know when it was last tamed, or because I think that person might leave before it spawns. I don't care if they've been there for one minute longer than me or 12 hours longer than me. If they were camping already, I'm going to respect that and let them have the tame.

I've often enough camped my own rares though, so maybe that's why I am inclined to afford others this courtesy. It seems about 50/50 that other hunters that I've met while camping feel this way. I honestly don't understand why someone would show up where people are already waiting and think that it's okay to jump to the front of the line. It shows a complete lack of respect for the other people playing the game.

Also, I wanted to add that this applies to the single spawn point camps. You can camp one of Sambas' spawn points, but if someone wants to camp the other ones they should be able to. Claiming to camp an entire zone is a little much. If they get to an unseen pet before you, then you just weren't in the right place at the right time.

[Lotusii]

If someone else is there I will move to another spawn point if it has multiples, if it does not I will continue to fly by in case you leave or go afk and it spawns. It doesn't seem fair to the person waiting if I take it because they went afk, but it's happened to me before and I sucked it up and kept on the hunt because you know what, it was my own fault for not paying attention/being there. I will give them a bit of time to see if they're actually there though because it can say "AFK" and they're actually at the computer reading a book or something and waiting for the npcScan/Silverdragon sound. I will NEVER try and take a tame away from someone unless they die when taming because that is just wrong. It will spawn again and if they fight for it and the beast dies, you know what? I'm gonna just have to compete with them all over again for it and they might take it from me next time.

[Royi]

I think it's rude to come and sit on someone who's already camping, period. Spread out and pick different spawnpoints. As much as I dislike the way Ponderance comes across sometimes (the guy who did the TLPD guide & site), I do agree with his main point: do not crowd spawnpoints. If you go away for one minute, and come back to find someone sitting in your spot, you've lost it, even if you were there for hours or days. Go to a different one.

If there's only one spawnpoint for a mob, and already several hunters, if you REALLY want the pet, then just join the crowd. You aren't being rude if there's already lots of competition, imo--but I wouldn't interrupt another hunter's tame, nor would I try and kill the beast, obviously. Once it's tagged, I'll feign and /gz whoever got it. And yeah, if six people die trying to tame it and I'm next in line, I will tame it if I've also been camping--even if I do feel bad, I don't think it's rude as such.

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If theres multiple spawn points, stake out a different one. I hated those annoying people who would try and take my TLPD spot over the frozen lake (i was there a good week) when I was already there. If i saw someone already staked there, I would generally go more down towards the waterfall until they would go away.

If theres only one spawn point you can be curteous and let whomever was there first, or you can go nab it yourself.
Back in WOTLK even though I was there first once for Arcturis, I let a hunter who show'd up about 30 minutes earlier grab the tame when he spawned just because I felt like being nice.

But if theres only one spawn point, its all about first tag really. You can never know who exactly has camped for the longest. Perhaps that guy who just showed up 10 minutes ago spent 8 hours yesterday camping.

Never interrupt a hunter's tame and never kill the beast. Hunter hits tame beast before you, its theres and you have one less competitor for the next spawn.

[Quiv]

I received an interesting message on my recent camps. I went from Ban'thalos to Magria, and when I got Ban, I immediately flew over to see if anyone was sitting at Mag. No one was, so I landed and commenced getting nekkid and got my camp on.

got a whisper a few minutes later, i dont remember the specifics, but it was basically saying that I was hogging all the rares. they said I got Ban, i should let another hunter sit for the cats. I told the hunter that no one was here (and for the longest while, no one showed up) at the spawn point, but it made me think.

is it discourteous to do that? I didnt think so, the spot being open, but this dude was sure upset about it.

[Nimae]

What you're doing is absolutely not discourteous. If you were filling up your 25 stable slots with, say, only Ban'thalos then yes, you'd be "hogging" that rare. But seriously, to me this guy just sounds like a short-sighted player. He doesn't realize that you're nabbing the next possible cat spawn, or some cat spawn in the near future, not every rare spawn--and that he now has one less competitor for the next Ban'thalos spawn! Childish and impatient, IMHO, for him to even think that way let alone message you about it. Keep on doing what you're doing, I'm sure he'll forget he even said that to you within the next week. Good luck and happy hunting!