Leaving...Again.

[cowmuflage]

They get pretty drama filled when it's a topic like rares and stuff Gorman. Thye can get pretty nasty.

[Sasrei]

*sigh*

Petopia has changed, and that will happen with more and more people coming on. People have different views and as long as they are TASTEFULLY expressed and not just a verbal attack against each other then its called life, you see something you dont like you have two choices
1. fuel the fire and continue on and on about it, until everything either blows up posts get locked/deleted, people banned or everyone just disagrees and moves on with life (like adults)
2. ignore it, leave it alone and move on

People have opinions and you know what alot of people have been dealing with a ton of griefing some by people they thought were nice and others just an ignorant community who goes out of their way to make others lives miserable. If you look at the forums there are more posts about rants usually then something good happening so it has put alot of people on edge and quite defensive over things especially killing other rares just because they lost out on the rare they really wanted.

Should you be able to quest with what pet you want? Of course but all most people are asking that you dont use a specific rare at the spawn point area. All that is is a small area that maybe you use something else for a bit just to prevent someones else heart ache. I personally dont have any of the new rares up on npcscanner cause well if I am camping something I stay at the screen to watch, very few times did I use it because of the amount of people in that area you move an inch and it gets set off.

Getting chewed out for naming your pet after a rare? Hmm I must have missed that one. The only time it sucks is when people name the rare that way for the specific reason to pull it out at the spawn point for "lol"s. People of the oppossite faction all they will see is a red dot with a name of something they are camping thats the main reason why it can bug certain people which I fully understand.

Insulting slang.. or even foul language, heres the thing yes there are alot of adults but there are some younger forum members and young forum lurkers. You can get your point across without having to use it, its just called mutual respect for other people who probably still understand your frustration but swearing or using any word that offends people especially makes alot of people respect you less. Just because some swear like a sailor in real life doesnt mean we want to read it every few sentences.

Dante.. chitter, its in game humor such a p.dawg. P.dawg was the gopher who stuck around during early camp years. Chitter the mysterious little spider and Dante the lone scorpion near kirix that was named while being bored on the ptr basically. My question is. why does it even effect you so much? It doesnt you just wanted to get a rise out of certain people. I could go to mount hyjal and name a critter butterfly there charlotte, some people may find it funny and go along and said critter would be known among those people a charlotte the butterfly. Maybe there will be a post about it, or alot of posts about it why should it affect you in any way whatsoever what I call a certain mob.

And that Chitter thing *clap clap* thats really adult like.

Leaving is one thing, leaving and insulting everyone with pretty much a middle finger at the end of the post is classy.

And about Saturo there was much more going on, months and months of it. Thats all im going to say, good luck on whatever it is you are doing.

[Azunara]

On the point of language:

I'm not sure what young forum members you've been exposed to, but everyone of my peers, everyone of my brother's peers usually foul language quite frequently. He's 13, I'm 16. That's roughly the youngest you should see on these forums or WoW. If there's younger, it's not the fault of the forum, it's the fault of the parents. So keep in mind, the whole younger forum goer, while makes sense on paper, rarely works in RL in my experience. Just so you know.

[Sukurachi]

Azu, while 13 seems "younger" to you - being 16 - don't forget that there are far more OLDER people around.
Is Petopia only for people under the age of 18?
Is it to be closed to anyone over 30? over 40?

If I recall correctly, the majority of World of Warcraft players are over 20. A very large portion of that is people over 30 and 40.

I don't get the "drama". I don't get the OP's whole point in posting that tirade. It has a certain element of "naming & shaming", which I find distasteful. I'm certain I am not the only one.

If there are things on this forum you don't like, and it is enough to push you to leave and never return, then... really, is there a need for a melodramatic outburst and a "goodbye cruel life" thread? That probably sounds really sarcastic, and I guess in a way it is. But reading the OP all I see is "I'm leaving because of ..." followed by EXACTLY what the OP is accusing people here of doing in return.

[Kalliope]

Azu, while 13 seems "younger" to you - being 16 - don't forget that there are far more OLDER people around.
Is Petopia only for people under the age of 18?
Is it to be closed to anyone over 30? over 40?

If I recall correctly, the majority of World of Warcraft players are over 20. A very large portion of that is people over 30 and 40.

Azu's point is that profanity should be acceptable, regardless of the age; if the posters are younger, then it's their parents' fault for letting them be exposed to it.

Of course, that completely ignores that plenty of us older forumgoers are perfectly fine with the general "less swearing" policy that these forums do have (check rule #3) because it's part of what makes this forum different from the official WoW forums or the MMO forums or Wowhead or most other WoW sites. It's not because "oh noes, swear words are bad!" It's an attitude, a choice to be slightly more mature in how we interact with each other.

[AdamSavage]

As for the Insulting slang thing...come on people. We are all Different, so we use our words Differently. You can't change something a person has been doing for Years over the course of a short time. Unless you hypnotize them but, really, when will that ever happen?

I like this post, however I'm trying to change. I've caught myself a couple times, and I had to correct myself. For pet naming.. Who cares ? It's YOUR pet, you name YOUR pet as YOU please. It's not up to everyone to decide what you should or should not name your pet. Sure, there is plenty of thing in wow that people do and what not, that I either don't get or I don't agree with. However, I keep it to myself.

[Aeladrine]

There are plenty of valid points on each end of this argument, regardless of hostility. Though some may not have noticed, there has been a lot of drama, out-right hostility, and even passive aggressive crap being tossed around these forums. I can easily find an example of each of these in this very thread. I'm sure all of you can as well.

I myself have gotten fed up and left before, but there are a few places I still enjoy going to here on the forums. Yes, I get irritated with all of the repeat topics. I'm even a little irritated with the fact that, at the home page or whatever you want to call it, we can't see the topic names anymore. I get even more irritated by all the arguments and the hostility.

Actually, that's what makes me upset the most. All the freaking arguing. I don't know about you guys, but I'm sick of it!

You know what we should all do? We should get Moderator to make a giant topic in which we all discuss how to make the forums a better place again. It's no longer the place I joined, and it hasn't changed in a good way. We have more members, yes. But no one's integrating the new members. No one is welcoming them, no one is helping them learn things. Instead there's hostility. Always with the hostility.

I'm almost tempted to start PMing people who are being passive aggressive and make sure they know they're doing it and, if they do, ask them to stop. I don't think I will, because I feel like that would be taking action over things I'm not responsible for, but it's an appetizing idea.

Honestly, I miss the days of having actual mods, not just Moderator. Yes, I understand why it was stopped. But I still think it was better. At least then, if a mod messed up, we could hold them accountable for it. We knew who was doing their job well and who wasn't. Things got dealt with faster and fewer things that shouldn't have been messed with were. I know that it was changed for many reasons and I know that some people felt like the mods didn't want to take action against people they routinely talked to for fear of that person not talking to them anymore, but, honestly, I think that's just silly. No one is going to judge a mod for doing their job, and a good mod isn't going to favour their friends. If someone stops being friends with a mod because the mod did their job, that person wasn't a very good friend anyway.

At the least, I think the benefits of have that sort of mod far outweighs that of having a single Moderator account.

Long, rambly post. If it's tl;dr for you, whoops I don't care.

[cowmuflage]

There has been a few threads on how to "make the forums a better place" If I remmber right they all got locked for the same reasons. There was too much fighting in them! XD

[Aeladrine]

Which is why it should be made by Moderator, with an eye kept on the thread to keep drama down. People can be told to take it to PMs (something I only see happening very rarely now) and part of the first post should probably state the this is simply for our discussing opinions on how to make the forums better, not arguing about it. There is a difference.

The only thing it really requires is for people to act appropriately. I don't know if I should have faith that we all can, but I do. I say it's worth a shot and, should it not work out, no big deal. Drama is easily dealt with, so it should be easy to keep the topic under control.

Instead of locking it, warning and whatnot would have to be given. Locking discussion threads like that seems to do nothing but cause more problems.

[cowmuflage]

Well no they nearly all where made by Mainia and she did warn people to stop it if I remmber. Not like anyone listerns to her most of the time :/ They all where about discussing opinions too so I don't have high hopes. The one about adult stuff didnt end well.

[Aeladrine]

Well then we should just have a poll for it or something. That way people can't talk. :1

[cowmuflage]

That proberly would be the best Sadly.

[Kaswryn]

*slinks in cautiously*

There's still this discussion thread that wasn't locked (just ended peacefully), if anyone's interested -> http://forums.wow-petopia.com/viewtopic ... 80#p251010
(link leads to the last post on the last page)

Worth a shot?

[Aeladrine]

Thanks, Akz! Definitely worth a shot!

[Kaswryn]

Thanks, Akz! Definitely worth a shot!

No problem, hope it works

[Royi]

Azu, while 13 seems "younger" to you - being 16 - don't forget that there are far more OLDER people around.
Is Petopia only for people under the age of 18?
Is it to be closed to anyone over 30? over 40?

If I recall correctly, the majority of World of Warcraft players are over 20. A very large portion of that is people over 30 and 40.

Azu's point is that profanity should be acceptable, regardless of the age; if the posters are younger, then it's their parents' fault for letting them be exposed to it.

Of course, that completely ignores that plenty of us older forumgoers are perfectly fine with the general "less swearing" policy that these forums do have (check rule #3) because it's part of what makes this forum different from the official WoW forums or the MMO forums or Wowhead or most other WoW sites. It's not because "oh noes, swear words are bad!" It's an attitude, a choice to be slightly more mature in how we interact with each other.

The one thing with swearing on the forums, not only is it against the rules here (I think), it will always make the poster seem less intelligent and ignorant. Basically it's like the rule during a debate once someone starts swearing, they have lost.

[Sasrei]

I think people need to know and act on the golden rule "Do unto others as you would want done to yourself". Alot of people have different opinions and feelings can get hurt, people do get stressed out because maybe they had a horrible day and anyone would be upset if something they really wanted was killed infront of them or while they were taming it or stolen from them. People will have different opinions on things regarding rares "to kill or not to kill" but if everyone could just learn to agree to disagree, and never take it to a personal level it would be alot easier.

And I agree fully with Royi regarding the whole swearing thing, you can get your point across without demeaning your post.

[zedxrgal]

I was honestly not going to say anything and just leave it be but as of now I no longer feel like doing that.

Part of the issue here is that those who are upset with something they seemingly keep it to themselves until they pop and it turns into a fight or they try their best to state what they're feeling diplomatically and they're attacked for it.

I'm part of the "old guard" as I call it and have seen the forums degrade dramatically close to the pits of forum hell. Mostly over the last five months. Yes with more people does potentially come more problems. I'm in no way without fault on being rude to someone else for taking something personally. I won't lie. But most of the members here (flaming me for this all you want, if you want) have done the exact same thing whether they want to admit it or not. Even some of the nicest people have become down right cruel to others even when being politely requested to stop, they don't. It's kept on till there is a temporary ban set in place or the thread is locked. This forum IS NOT worth that. It's not. No offense to anyone here but the forum and being apart of it is not worth facing a potential verbal lashing because someone doesn't agree with whatever you've done and they want to make damn sure you know it. Repeatedly if necessary. Forum rules are in place but also do not seem to be to heavily enforced. After all if they were whole threads would be deleted and more temporary bans would be issued.

These problems are why I now tend to stay away. This place is NOTHING like it was. No one seems to have fun. No one seems to enjoy reading someone else's story. The true rare spawn of the forums is threads without a single negative post in them. That used to be the norm.

I sincerely hope that things can be fixed here. But without rules being truly enforced across the board and true moderators (not one Moderatorwho doesn't appear to be around much) I am not sure when that will happen or IF it will happen.

I still say there needs to be a 18+ section that is locked and only members who are 18+ and sign up for the section can view it.

Kudos to you Kira for speaking your mind. Sorry to see you go and

[Morven]

I'm pretty new around here, I'll admit, but "The true rare spawn of the forums is threads without a single negative post in them" strikes me as rather hyperbolic. I see lots and lots of threads in here without negativity. That doesn't make what there is good or not a problem, just that it's not quite that prevalent.

Insufficient moderator manpower can cause problems, because people naturally assume that unless bad behavior is being shut down very quickly, it is being tacitly permitted (rather than simply not seen). I'm a moderator on other forums, and that tends to be a rule.

I would, however, be strongly against that suggestion of a 18+ subforum. People of any age can act badly, and while being younger is associated with some degree of extra emotional volatility, that's not a hard and fast rule. Besides, unless we're going to ask for IDs, how do we know anyone's age except what they say it is?

[Sukurachi]

Tiny Edit: I'm expecting to be banned for this, or at the very least yelled at. Go ahead, I don't care. It'll just prove my point.

the hypocrisy of this last statement is glaring.
You complain about people being mean, starting arguments, and flaming others..
then turn and post just about the bitchiest thing I've ever seen on this forum.
Nice going.

If you get banned or yelled at for doing exactly what it is you are accusing others of doing, it proves NO point at all. It only proves that you are just as low as those you accuse.

THIS is typical passive/aggressive behaviour.