Crappy Groups

[Vicario]

I do condone leaving the party or kicking the ninja over such matters, but I have realized that upon musing over the subject, the revenge method is a bit too needlessly sadistic. Basically, when the topic was brought up, I thought of the instances where people don't leave, but instead stay and refuse to heal all the sudden in combat or "go AFK" or something when they are needed (Fortunately, I've never seen the idea reach that point yet.) I mean, it punishes people that didn't even do anything. Sorry, but I don't wanna have to pay repair bills simply because someone else ninja'd and another someone else wants revenge. But then again, maybe it's the group's fault for advancing, or it's the group's fault for staying. I dunno.

Might as well stop arguing here. I keep editing since I can't piece together the right argument the first time around, nor can I create one based on actual experience.

[Kalliope]

I do condone leaving the party or kicking the ninja over such matters, but I have realized that upon musing over the subject, the revenge method is a bit too needlessly sadistic. Basically, when the topic was brought up, I thought of the instances where people don't leave, but instead stay and refuse to heal all the sudden in combat or "go AFK" or something when they are needed (Fortunately, I've never seen the idea reach that point yet.) I mean, it punishes people that didn't even do anything. Sorry, but I don't wanna have to pay repair bills simply because someone else ninja'd and another someone else wants revenge. But then again, maybe it's the group's fault for advancing, or it's the group's fault for staying. I dunno.

Might as well stop arguing here. I keep editing since I can't piece together the right argument the first time around, nor can I create one based on actual experience.

I don't think anyone's arguing; we're all on the same page. ^_^ Revenge is petty and stupid. If you feel strongly enough on the subject to stop doing your job because of that person, then you should feel strongly enough to leave - or kick them! Chances are, if you don't like a ninja, the rest of the group doesn't either. In the case of the original poster, he RANDOMED INTO the group. This means that whoever he was replacing had done the right thing and LEFT!

Some groups get screwed over; someone d/cs and the group kicks them, then they don't have a kick available for the ninja who surfaces later in the run. Hopefully that got fixed with the patch....sometimes there are groups of nice people you don't want to bail on and there's one bad egg.

[Ryai]

Well it's not the first time I've made an ass of myself.

Some groups get screwed over; someone d/cs and the group kicks them, then they don't have a kick available for the ninja who surfaces later in the run. Hopefully that got fixed with the patch....sometimes there are groups of nice people you don't want to bail on and there's one bad egg.

Hasn't been unfortunately, not afaik :(

Though what I wish? Is that Blizz made it where a DPS can't roll 'need' on an item he 'can't' 'use'. Almost lost a shield upgrade for ma pally cause of a dps just hurg.

For the first two bosses in the gauntlet run; Look at my HP look at my HP, I have 39k hp! I can tank! i want to tank! Let me tank! Tank switch places with me, I want to tank! Tank! Look! I can tank! Let me tank! Look at my hp, I have 39k hp!

I just wanted to face desk and snarl at the downing of that ... what's the one after the Abomni? At anyrate, When the hell do you need 40k to tank CoS!?

I tanked it with 29k hp buffed! Granted that might have only been because I was graced with a fine healer that run, but still!

So then he doesn't yell Aggro, not like I can really check chat- and Taunt master is red and orange and yellow on everyone and I'm just spamming my buttons on the clothie, shammy and healer praying that the War is red only cause of normal zombies. Nope.

He then zergs ahead, using taunts and pulling before me, twice, and he used taunts right after I used my taunt and like hell I am wasting Def on him so I just faceroll to get aggro and keep aggro.

Then the shield drops.

Admitedly, Caim's tank specc is actually his offspecc but I've been using it so much it's become his main specc. And I just wish there was a cheaper way to resolve this than respeccing both trees. But fine whatever.

I am all whoot, roll, and the shammy and the priest pass on rolling all gz at me.

The war rolls :|

I am tank.

He then leaves.

The healer rolled need to help try and prevent the ninjaing, but thankfully I won the original roll.

Just aurg the stupidity. Sometimes I think people think all you need is a crapload of health and a shield to tank heroics now a days *facepalmdeskshield*

[Kalliope]

I just wanted to face desk and snarl at the downing of that ... what's the one after the Abomni? At anyrate, When the hell do you need 40k to tank CoS!?

I tanked it with 29k hp buffed! Granted that might have only been because I was graced with a fine healer that run, but still!

This reminds me of a point that some of my friends have mentioned repeatedly since the LFG system changed.

In early Wrath, NONE OF THE TANKS HAD THAT KIND OF HP.

Tanks had questing blues - greens if they were lazy - and level 70 epics that were carryovers. A tank with around 22-25k hp was NORMAL then. Heroics were MUCH MUCH harder then, simply because they couldn't be facerolled the way they can be now. I remember running Heroic Gundrak and the healer kept getting charged by the last boss - and got one shot because he was in loads of level 70 epics. That fight seemed IMPOSSIBLE then.

People don't want to return to those days of LK, even though it's impossible to, just by virtue of the LFG 5% buff. They don't want to have to work at heroics again. Simply rude. There's nothing wrong with that kind of gear in heroics; there's just less of a margin for error, and with a player who is likely less experienced on that character, errors may occur. Hence people not wanting to bother. I'm so tired of people wanting instant gratification, here and everywhere else.

[Ryai]

Pro Tip Warning.

To all EU players, if you EVER group up with a tank named Slagothoris from Nordrassil. Leave the group if you can not get the party to kick him. He puts a whole new level of Dumbass on the meter.

Tanking in starter greens. Tanking half naked. Without a weapon. And then pulling and just god.

He's NOT worth it.

[Saturo]

Sounds more like some jackass playing stupid to me...?

[Ryai]

Sounds more like some jackass playing stupid to me...?

No. Was just a dumbass.

Just had a jackass tho! Evidently asking the tank to slow down after I somehow prevented a wipe when he pulled to much, called me stupid, and evidently using triple dots/elipse or whatever made me a '8 year old in the head'
so I just went .. cause I aint taking the abuse.

I went ':D bye' as he went to pull more trash. And left group.

The best part was? He actually dared to try and say it was fine to speed run cause we hadn't wiped so I had nothing to complain about. Ignore the fact it was me who prevented said wipe, not him. :|

[Saturo]

Had a huntard on the group. He pulled lots of mobs. In the tunnels of Gnomer, where walking to close to the edge can wipe a group. He went off randomly shooting stuff. I dropped massive HoTs on everybody and then spammed the tank. We got trough.

"that was fun!"
He does it again. When I'm oom. We let him die. Kittehstealth and a few resses later we're off again. We decide to wait until we can kick him. When we call him on his pulling, he goes "but we didnt wipe!". Tank goes "cuz our healer is awesome". That made me smile.

[Vicario]

I just wanted to face desk and snarl at the downing of that ... what's the one after the Abomni? At anyrate, When the hell do you need 40k to tank CoS!?

I tanked it with 29k hp buffed! Granted that might have only been because I was graced with a fine healer that run, but still!

This reminds me of a point that some of my friends have mentioned repeatedly since the LFG system changed.

In early Wrath, NONE OF THE TANKS HAD THAT KIND OF HP.

Tanks had questing blues - greens if they were lazy - and level 70 epics that were carryovers. A tank with around 22-25k hp was NORMAL then. Heroics were MUCH MUCH harder then, simply because they couldn't be facerolled the way they can be now. I remember running Heroic Gundrak and the healer kept getting charged by the last boss - and got one shot because he was in loads of level 70 epics. That fight seemed IMPOSSIBLE then.

People don't want to return to those days of LK, even though it's impossible to, just by virtue of the LFG 5% buff. They don't want to have to work at heroics again. Simply rude. There's nothing wrong with that kind of gear in heroics; there's just less of a margin for error, and with a player who is likely less experienced on that character, errors may occur. Hence people not wanting to bother. I'm so tired of people wanting instant gratification, here and everywhere else.

I remember those days. Those were the days back when crowd control actually existed.

[Kastarakovski]

The one thing I've come to HATE WITH A PASSION is non-hunters telling me how to play my class.
Take tonight's supposed-to-be-oh-so-speedily-quick Heroic HoL.

A fellow guildie, Meta and myself need a couple more badges for assorted BoA treasures. In we go. He's tanking, and is pro at it. I'm in BM because, hey, it's heroics, it's easy, it's laidback, and I don't give a turkey. Seems being in BM is a REAL PROBLEM for peeps from Mug'Thol. It's amazing how retarded they go when they see a BM Hunter.

We down the first boss for the achieve, since Tank didn't have it, and then the mage AND the warlock start up on me, saying we'd have been "much faster if I wasn't a dumbass BM retard." Meta's all like "..." and I'm like "Really? Why is it I'm beating the both of you on the DPS Meter then?" (which I was by about 2.8k). Cue a whole lot of aggravated BS about how BM huntards are all 8 year olds and how much they suck and all this other lovely unprintable stuff they spewed at me.

So, I simply retort with "JSYK, I'm 28 years old and fine, I'll swap to MM. And if you clowns can beat my MM spec, then I give you full right to kick me. But if you don't, I have full right to call you whatever I freakin' like, within polite reason." And just for good measure, I bring Nightshade, who by now is so worked up into a hissy, snarly fit it's almost impossible to calm her down. I go all out. I don't give a turkey. MD goes up, Meta tanks flawlessly, Nightshade gnaws some iron dwarf hides, etcetera, etcetera. Druid Healer is epic excellence from Icecrown, doesn't say a word, but quietly "doesn't pay attention" to the HP of the Mage and Warlock until the very last second. We later learned via whisper she'd been kicked out of a group on her hunter alt by this pair of E-Peen Wonders before, and decided, payback was a bitch *lol*

DPS meter at the end of the run comes back: Laz first with just shy of 8.2k DPS, Mage second, Warlock third. There's a /cheer from the Druid. I take a /bow.
And Meta, myself and the Druid leave group, promising to meet again sometime as the run, minus the dimwits, was raw excellence.
But before I leave, I can't resist a final dig:
"A big thank you from THIS 'retarded hunter' from Saurfang for proving you guys talk the same amount of BS that you suck out of each other's @$$es."

I think Mug'Thol has ended up my most hated server of late...I encounter so many ****wits from there it's utterly amazing >_>;;;
And I think that's the end of my LFG trips on Laz. There's too much fail and e-peenery going on about DPS and Gearscore for me to give a turkey anymore...

[Kalliope]

Ahahahaha! Great story in that it had a happy ending. What douches. I love seeing jackasses get their comeuppance.

For some reason, this reminds me of a totally unrelated story from my lil' warrior. I was in a terrible losing AV with a bunch of nitwit healers who were epeening about the healing meters. I got annoyed with one to the point of actually telling him off (because meters in bgs aren't hugely relevant for the most part...durh). I gave up on AV and queued for a random a bit later. Guess who my healer was! x_x He either didn't remember me or chose to put aside our past differences and the run went well. After all, the guy WAS a decent healer; he was just....misguided in term of bg healing.

[Ryai]

Hurgle.

I hate people who think they can tank in heirloom armor just cause it's leather. Sure I have seen one tank with the leather chest- but he made sure to have plate armor and he had a shield.

But this was caster armor not leather this paladin was using..

But atleast it's just SM armory or wherever Herod hangs out- so it shouldn't be to bad.

Right?

Wrong.

Paladin can't tank- barely knows how to tank. Barely has any rotation going even for lv 38ish. Only uses Con every five fights, is barely using judgements. Ofc Me and the other war are pulling aggro off like cake but so aren't the healer and drood...

Finally I get angry cause I shouldn't have to be going Def stance just to help the tank do his job. No sir-ree. So I snap at him in whisper, he calls me a noob and that he knows how to tank.

YEAH THAT'S WHY AT HEROD RASHIKA TANKED HIM WITH A TWOHANDER.

*Faceroll*

[Palladiamorsdeus]

Joined a heroic Halls of Stone once. A paladin had qued up as all three, and had no DPS or healing gear. He was, of course, our healer. So he says "We are going to double tank this place!" .......I can only burn things down so fast. We barely manage to kill the first group, move on to the second, and wiped horribly. I grit my teeth and go "Next time, learn to heal, dumbass." And leave the group.

Had a fun little group with a druid who KEPT running ahead. I was on my paladin, and not well geared yet. It was heroic Azjol-Jerub., I believe. Anyway, this guy just keeps running ahead, not paying attention to my mana, and just refusing to co-operate. I manage to keep up, some how, no deaths. Then we get to the area where you have to activate the two pedestals or what have you at the top of the two ramps. This moron goes totally our of my LoS, and I have to scramble to catch up. Holy shock, instant flash of light, holy li-SILENCE. Since I had to work so hard to get the guy back up, I didn't have time to cleanse myself. Well, I had to immediately burst heal the guy again, and manage to eat a second silence. Druid dies, but we manage to finish the pull. I said "Sorry, I got silenced." And he goes "Cleanse it off, noob." I said "I have a better idea: Wait for the rest of the group." And the guy leaves the group.

I won't even go into the sheer number of 70-80 instances where tanks tried to tank in DPS gear. Suffice to say, literally, abou three fourths of my instances runs during that time featured some kind of moronic DPS who clicked tank to que faster. I was only unable to complete one of those instances, because some levels of fail, not even I can heal through.

Reverse story, get into Drak'Tharon on a heroic, this DK openly professes he is a new tank, and apologizes. Immediately a DPS leaves, and our mage goes "Oh gawd, fail tank is fail." I said "Look, give him a chance. I'm pretty sure I can keep him alive, so if he can hold aggro, we'll be fine." We get to the Lich, and the other DPS dies, a paladin, I think. Paladin leaves group, and the mage goes "We just need to get a different tank!" I politely say "He is doing FINE, we haven't wiped yet." And the mage goes "No, but we are gonna, we aren't going to be able to finish!" ......obviously at this point, it's kind of personal to me. We finished the instance with no wipes, and not one else dying. "Good job! Just keep working on your gear, and you'll do great!" with a parting "Oh, and mage? I told you so."

On my hunter, I can pretty much expect to carry damage. If something is going to die, it's going to be because me and one of my herd have decided to make it dead. I don't mind when you are fresh eighty and I am murdering things so fast that you don't have time to get any damage in, but if you are in mostly T-9 or worse, in T-10 and ICC level gear, I expect you to either be near me, or in all due probability to beat me. If yer sitting at around a thousand DPS, then you need to stop being a lazy jerk hole and actually do something. *Huffs* *Coughs* Sorry, way to many of these guys.

Oh, here's a fun one. One of my current partners first runs in OK, fairly fresh eighty with quest gear, and she is the healer. Well, we get this little gnome DK tank who has a "Worship me!" attitude from the start. Now, if anyone here isn't familiar, the Spell Flingers in OK have an ability that hits you for 50% of your health. It can be silenced, reflected and what have you, but does our little DK do this? No. I was on my warlock, demonology at the time, so my only recourse is fe-oh yea, undead. Crap. I don't even recall what our other two DPS were, but they sure weren't silencing anything. Well, our dear, dear little DK, then proceeds to pull no less then THREE spell flingers. As you can imagine, she vanished into a very fine and slightly glowing red mist. She goes "Why healer not heal?" I said "Healer DID heal, your health disappeared in about three seconds flat. So we revive, and go back in. I patiently say "You have to silence or interupt those spell flingers." And no one listens. And little DK pulls the SAME three packs again. You know what happened. After the wipe, the DK goes "GOD healer sux." And leaves the group. Took me a good two weeks to get my partner to actually heal an instance again.

Oh! Here is a fun one! Heroic Gundrak! Now for those of you who don't play healers or tanks, the poison damage the snakes deal can add up real quick, just as a side note. For this little adventure, I was playing healer. We finish off the first boss with relatively few problems, and get to the pulls in the room filled with bones. Very much by accident, we end up pulling all but the last pack in that room, and things got a little hectic. So I proceed to heal my ass off, had to use lay on hands, divine shield, beacon of light, and do a ton of swearing before we got through. Well, during all that hectic hub bub, the boomkin dies. Now, I feel the need to point out again that I am a paladin healer. At MOST, I can effectively heal two targets at once. During a large portion of that fight, said two targets were the healer and the tank. I had even managed to keep the stupid boomkin alive through most of it, even if he did do nothing but focus on targets that the tank wasn't focusing on, and on AoEing things the tank hadn't had a chance to get anywhere near. So in party chat, the moonkin goes "WTB heals." Well, I am not sure if he is kidding around or not, so I say "Sorry, all sold out!" And he goes "Then maybe we should replace you." I said "Excuse me, but do you even pay attention to health bars?" And he goes "No, I wouldn't have to if you did your job right." /ignore. I made it a point to keep him alive, though.

HoR.....I have the worst luck with that instance. No one wants to friggin' do it, because it actually requires some semblance of intelligence. But my all time favorites are the people who summon the boss for Quel'Delar, then immediately leave after. Just....finish the damn instance.

For the most part, people have just gotten stupider in WoW. And not by a little bit. Used to, I could cobble together a group for Stratholme, live or dead side, and do it with the oddest conglomeration of gear and classes, as a FIVE man, when it was a ten man. Some days, I see groups struggle with Halls of Stone, even though they outgear it. It.....pains me.

[Kalliope]

Ooh, that's heroic Old Kingdom. There are SO MANY THINGS that can go wrong in there if people aren't careful. >_< And that's one of them. Ugh.

Good thing that mage was cowed into staying by fear of the dps queue. xD Not that you want a guy with such a negative attitude in the group, but hey, he's a body.

Had a similar sort of thing happen in regular UK earlier on Nas. The pally tank was terrible and bailed after the first boss. The troll dk (ya mon!) went frost presence and was actually easier to heal, for the most part. He held us up fine on trash while we waited for a new tank to come in. I have seen so many terrible DKs and paladins, it's nice to see ones who know how to play.

God, I *HATE* when people blame the healer for THEIR idiocy like that. -_- And dps who feel entitled to be kept alive on massive overpulls....sigh. You're a friggin' druid; if you see an overpull that bad, you pop tranq to help. Period.

Some days, I see groups struggle with Halls of Stone, even though they outgear it. It.....pains me.

Palla, let me add one thing: WITH the 5% random buff! It's godawful. Sigh. Some groups are still okay, but the number of idiots running around with gear they could never have earned the hard way is sad.

[Palladiamorsdeus]

Kalli, my favorite excuse for sucking so bad? "Heroics are srz bzns." ......who carried you through to that gear? Take me to them! I have not-nice things to say to them! But seriously, yes, I realize that you are doing this for your frost emblems. I realize that you've been in ICC raid level content. That is still not excuse to auto-attack or occasional cast an attack spell.

Reminds me of another mage.....I can't even recall the instance now. Literally half painfully low damage was done by wanding. T-10 level gear. And you can tell when you've got a group that tries, and a group that doesn't. In a group that is seriously trying, you can nearly or flat out beat the dungeon timer. In the ones that don't, things seem to take forever to kill, and you find yourself running low on rescources more often.

[Kalliope]

lol! Yeah, that's a classic. And just because heroics are a joke now, it doesn't give people a free pass to afk or be stupid. Then heroics quickly become a major hassle, which isn't fun.

At THIS stage of the game, the people who need frost badges are alts or people who don't raid horribly seriously/successfully. In other words....this behavior is to be expected. But that doesn't make it right.

[Torachi]

Honestly, after reading most of these horror stories about the nasty, rude, stupid, childish idiots that seem to run instances these days... I must say my drive to raid and whatnot just went down quite a few more notches. I'm honestly terrified to do anything when it comes to instancing anymore, because I know I will be bashed from one end of Azeroth to the other simply because I was never showed how to do it right. My ex started me on WoW years ago, back when it first came out, then left me on my own to do his own thing. Never helped, never did anything with me, and even yelled at me a couple of times because my enhancement shaman wasn't the "right" (resto) spec in his eyes. I loved being enhancement. I loved the "beat the tar out of everything" gameplay it gave me, I loved my instant cast ghostwolf form, I loved the dual-wielding aspect of it, and I loved the dps I could dish out... which apparently was crap in his eyes. I finally relented and spec'd resto, and he allowed me to tag along as healer on one of Midnight Legion's instance runs. Which was fun. I did enjoy being a healer, and when we were finished, I got a few whispers complimenting me on my healing... and then one from him that bashed the hell out of my healing. It didn't stop me from running a few more instances... but from then on I had lost my drive... and the way everyone has been describing how rude some people can be, it's really reminding me of him.

I want to run instances for fun, not to see who is the best of the best at healing, dps, tanking, off-tanking, or whatever. -.-

[Kalliope]

Don't let fear rule you, Torachi. Just remember that idiots will be idiots, regardless of what you do. Your ex was definitely one of those idiots. That sort of verbal abuse can leave deep scars. If you want to raid/instance/whatever, do not let the morons get you down and don't let them stop you from doing what you want to do. Idiots run rampant on the internet, and WoW's idiots are especially rude. There ARE good people too. Not all runs are bad.

[Ryai]

Well I can testify why a drood may not use tranquility. Tbh it sucks outside of an ohshit button, but even then,.. it still sucks. Even Aria doesn't use it when everything goes pearshaped, she mostly throws down hots since Regrowth/Rejuv/etc are probably far better than Tranquility.

Tho I never expect the healer to also place priority on me, when I was dpsing as a boomkin before picking up feral [trying for resto/feralbear on Coal] it is hard to dps/heal since Boomkins at lowbie stages have HORRIBLE mana regen. idk about later stages but yeah lower levels it sucks.

It sucks monkey hair.

[Torachi]

Don't let fear rule you, Torachi. Just remember that idiots will be idiots, regardless of what you do. Your ex was definitely one of those idiots. That sort of verbal abuse can leave deep scars. If you want to raid/instance/whatever, do not let the morons get you down and don't let them stop you from doing what you want to do. Idiots run rampant on the internet, and WoW's idiots are especially rude. There ARE good people too. Not all runs are bad.

Thanks, Kalliope. I know that there are some really awesome people on WoW, having had the chance to meet some really great players. I guess I'm just needing to work on my fear issues. >< I'm surprised I've been so comfortable commenting, and even starting a topic over in the art/creative writing forum on here. Usually I'm horridly shy and timid. >.>