Kalliope wrote:Don't let fear rule you, Torachi. Just remember that idiots will be idiots, regardless of what you do. Your ex was definitely one of those idiots. That sort of verbal abuse can leave deep scars. If you want to raid/instance/whatever, do not let the morons get you down and don't let them stop you from doing what you want to do. Idiots run rampant on the internet, and WoW's idiots are especially rude. There ARE good people too. Not all runs are bad.
Thanks, Kalliope. I know that there are some really awesome people on WoW, having had the chance to meet some really great players. I guess I'm just needing to work on my fear issues. >< I'm surprised I've been so comfortable commenting, and even starting a topic over in the art/creative writing forum on here. Usually I'm horridly shy and timid. >.>
Do what I do- if you have any friends or aquaintances your level, try and rope them in for the daily random. It really helps- and if your friend is a hybrid healer/tank if things go pearshaped it might even benifit the group and not just you, if you're able to save from a wipe a bad healer/tank or dps caused, which earns you much brownie points.
i admit there will be bad groups. And there will be bad days. And there will be runs where you want to go ROAR and facesmash people with keyboards and saronite bombs.
What?
Wat?
>.>
But, doing it with a friend OR coming here to rant, can help ease the pain of the stupidity.
also Pala, kudos to you for sticking up for that newbie tank- would have killed for a healer as decent as you for my first few heroic runs in nexus/uk.
Ryai wrote:And there will be runs where you want to go ROAR and facesmash people with keyboards and saronite bombs.
Okay, that part made me giggle/snort my tea all over my darn monitor. Lmfao!
It made me remember back before Burning Crusade, when I was still using my nightelf huntress as my main, and my brother was still running around on his dwarf paladin. We'd managed to get a group up for Zul'farrak finally, after an afternoon of looking. No one wanted to run with us since we had both just hit 40ish, and no one was on in our guild to at least give us a hand. We were just about to give up when we finally were randomly accepted into a group... and let me tell you... even I could tell the run was going to go tough after the first few trash mobs. It was rough, with quite a few wipes, due to an over-zealous tank and an apparently dimwitted healer... but we managed to get the first few bosses down without too much carnage. Then we reached Chief Ukorz Sandscalp and Ruuzlu, downed them... and the stupidity started. Chief Ukorz dropped the Big Bad Pauldrons, which are plate mail, and my brother's paladin was in desperate need of new shoulders, since he was still wearing some really low level mail shoulders, so he asked if he could roll need for them. None of us had a problem with that, except the priest. He suddenly rolled need first, exclaiming in caps that he needed them more than the paladin, and that said pally couldn't even wear them. Everybody was silent for a few moments, until my brother asked what he was talking about... and the priest went into a rant that paladins could not wear plate, and priests could. So he took a chance, rolled need, actually managed to win them, and logged off... all the while going "Wth?!" while talking to me on the phone.
We still, to this day, have no idea what the priest's issue was. O.o
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Ryai wrote:Well I can testify why a drood may not use tranquility. Tbh it sucks outside of an ohshit button, but even then,.. it still sucks.
Err...maybe as a non-tree, sure. But...yeah, it's a VERY helpful ohshit button under the right circumstances. A feral druid helped out a TON in regular UK recently; we were carrying a terrible shaman healer. Prevented several wipes. Don't underestimate it.
Anyway, even if you REFUSE to use tranq, there are other heals available to a druid, even in offspec. They can all help.
Torachi wrote:We still, to this day, have no idea what the priest's issue was. O.o
Ryai wrote:Well I can testify why a drood may not use tranquility. Tbh it sucks outside of an ohshit button, but even then,.. it still sucks.
Err...maybe as a non-tree, sure. But...yeah, it's a VERY helpful ohshit button under the right circumstances. A feral druid helped out a TON in regular UK recently; we were carrying a terrible shaman healer. Prevented several wipes. Don't underestimate it.
Anyway, even if you REFUSE to use tranq, there are other heals available to a druid, even in offspec. They can all help.
Torachi wrote:We still, to this day, have no idea what the priest's issue was. O.o
Stupidity.
No lies. I have stupid moments. That's not stupid.
THAT'S NERD RAGE. RAAAGE OF NERDS.
srsly.
stop staring at meeee
and yeah but I mean as a feral he'd probably have the mana for it- for a boomkin probably not and probably not be close enough to use it :p
But yeah there are other heals and I've done it too, tho then i've had fail tanks suddenly decide that Coal when still Boomkin could HEAL while healer was afk..
and Coal was oom...
and Innervate was off CD.
That;s the only problem I really have with healing while offspecc- retards suddenly think OMG U CAN HEEL 2!!!?
Ryai wrote:Well I can testify why a drood may not use tranquility. Tbh it sucks outside of an ohshit button, but even then,.. it still sucks.
Err...maybe as a non-tree, sure. But...yeah, it's a VERY helpful ohshit button under the right circumstances. A feral druid helped out a TON in regular UK recently; we were carrying a terrible shaman healer. Prevented several wipes. Don't underestimate it.
Anyway, even if you REFUSE to use tranq, there are other heals available to a druid, even in offspec. They can all help.
Torachi wrote:We still, to this day, have no idea what the priest's issue was. O.o
Stupidity.
No lies. I have stupid moments. That's not stupid.
THAT'S NERD RAGE. RAAAGE OF NERDS.
srsly.
Was a bitter ninjaing or flagrant ignorance. Take your pick.
Ryai wrote:and yeah but I mean as a feral he'd probably have the mana for it- for a boomkin probably not and probably not be close enough to use it :p
Wha?
My owl doesn't have horrible mana issues, not with innervate as a backup, and if you're not close enough to hit people with tranq, then you're way off in la-la land, which isn't good positioning.
Also, tranq benefits from owl spellpower. Yayz.
Ryai wrote:But yeah there are other heals and I've done it too, tho then i've had fail tanks suddenly decide that Coal when still Boomkin could HEAL while healer was afk..
and Coal was oom...
and Innervate was off CD.
That;s the only problem I really have with healing while offspecc- retards suddenly think OMG U CAN HEEL 2!!!?
Now THAT is a completely different story. I'm looking at offhealing as what it should be: the healer falls behind and you keep yourself and/or possibly a few others up for a few seconds while they stabilize and get things under control.
It's usually cause I try to stay away from melee if I can help it :p it's not so much 'far away' it's just 'far away from the things that want to omnom tree'. I try to not hug the tank/melee dps unless I get aggro from a pat or something then I go hauling to them as they, the smart ones, try to start peeling them off me.
anyways don't get bothered by what I say I'm a retard sometimes so..
Oh speaking of retards- do watch out people. There has been a rise of BOT tanks and BOT hunters in groups. We had a BOT tank that simply refused to speak english unless it was for a rez for a wipe it caused, never tanked in rightious fury and only finally left when it was never rezzed.
The hunter bots are heirloom leveling botards of extreme idiocy tho. Rolling for shammy items, tank/melee items, or worse wearing cloth, melee-caster or tank items
I've healed a lot of bad before, Ryai, and that guy wasn't bad. In fact, he wasn't even really under-geared. People are just morons. Though yes, the only reason that mage stayed around was because it's faster to find replacements then to find a new group for a DPS.
Torachi, here are the basics of being a hunter in an instance. First, how many mobs are there? If there are two or less, focus fire on your tanks main target. If there are three or more, set up on one target, then AoE. Single target: Mark, serpent sting, arcane shot, multi/aimed shot, tree specific shot, steady shot until arcane is off of cooldown, repeat. For BM I suggest using BW on every pack, unless it's just before a boss, then save it. For MM, you don't have to reapply serpent sting, but for everyone else you should. Also for MM, if it's a boss fight, double rapid fire. If you really want to go to the walls with it, rapid fire, make sure you chimera shot shortly after it ends, then readiness, rapid fire, and immediately chimera again. Fun times. For SV, pay attention for lock and load procs. Fire off your first shot, let the DoT tick down to half, fire off the second shot, let that tick down, and finally launch your third shot. If you're antsy about clipping then let the DoT almost completely fall off before reapplying explosive.
For multi-target fights, mark the tanks main target, serpent sting, multi-shot, then volley until multi is off cool-down. Repeat until you are down to two or even a single target, then burn the target down. If you are daring, then run up and explosive trap, disengage, set up volley ((I tend to do this in midair, but your milage may vary)) and unload. I suggest actually keying or hot-keying volley for this purpose.
So ends my brief tutorial! Do at least that much, and you'll be fine. Don't forget to turn on aspect of the viper in between pulls, viper sting any mobs with mana, and if you are MM, occasionally use rapid fire as a mini-evocation.
You're going to get jerkholes. If there are multiple ones in a single group, just leave. You'll be upset and frustrated, but that's a lot better then putting yourself through the fun times of grouping with them. Trust me, on that one. No loot is worth that kind of headache. The important thing is to not let them ruin your fun.
As for off healing, I tend to do it with any class that has it as an option if I think the healer is lagging, or if things get antsy. It's a hard wired response. I've been a healer for five years now, so if I see some ones bar dropping, my first impulse is HOLY LIGHT/REJUVENATE/HEALING WAVE/GIFT OF THE NAARU!!
Soooo...I honestly farkin' thought I couldn't have any reason to quit WoW until Cata. Tonight...well...I'm starting to think it might be a good idea.
So, I'll give a brief rundown of the situation, in ICC25, in my godforsaken guild (yes, Kalliope, it happened yet again, and you have every right to call me an idiot for not /gquitting a second time - I'm not gonna hold it against you because you are right!)
Our guild recently opened recruitments, because hell, after the last fiasco with half the guild saying fark this and leaving after all the fail 25-man ICC's (fail as in the fail didn't happen for weeks on end because people couldn't be arsed logging in for raids!), we lost a good chunk of folks, including the hubby and myself. Hubby went back on my former rogue, Tylienda. I however made a conscientious decision to stand my ground and not rejoin the guild until I had solid proof the guild was not going to do the exact same BS they'd been doing for months.
Eventually I caved in, because my husband is an expert at dragging me into Ventrilo, getting me RAEG at certain individuals (re: our fuckwit huntards), and convince me the guild needs me. It's nice to be needed, but not so much in this case. When I left, I'd been gone too long to be given my EPGP totals back (around 38k). I wasn't too upset about this. I figured hell, it won't take me long to get it back. After tonight's raid, I wonder why I even bothered thinking that when I've become so epically blase about raiding in general? After I left, our hunters fell into disarray. Our RL recently got hacked (he was acting as Hunter Class Leader in my absence), which threw them into further chaos. In I come tonight, with my Warpie, in MM spec. Has anyone ever tried to convince a godmoder to STFU and Learn2Play? First thirty seconds on Vent were "Who the fuck is this douchebag with the ugly lizard? LRN2PLAY RETARD!"
GL lets this jackass huntard go on for about a couple minutes, obviously waiting for me to come back with a rebuttal (I am usually a ticking timebomb with jackasses). I don't. At this stage I'm in the other channel, venting my building rage at my husband and our other friends, whom, like myself, had the balls to walk out of this failtrain when it was heading down the failtunnel, only to get roped back into the whole failschebang. I'm calm and patient, but this guy was to end up making me tell our GL where he could shove my goddamned polearm.
Now, there's one fight I truly detest in ICC25. One fight only. I love all the others because they're fun, entertaining and dying is a laughriot when someone (like this douchebag huntard) screws up and has the GL yell at him in Vent. Ever heard someone get a verbal "I is for Insurance" on Ventrilo? I really should record Kavarotti one of these days. The guy's epic at hardcore raeging, especially when he's had a few in heroics. It's golden. Back to the point...
It's the Deathbringer Saurfang fight - because it doesn't matter if I'm just there to fill in or just because I thought 'one raid's not gonna kill me' - I'm usually the ONLY goddamned DPS doing anything to kill the Blood Beasts effectively - and no, that's not putting myself on a pedestal - it really is only me burning them down. I'm usually also the ONLY hunter laying frost traps down too. Recount is a wonderful tool in the hands of our priests, who end up at some point getting smashed by the beasts only to discover my DPS is the only thing ticking over on them whilst everybody else has an epic e-peen DPS chart topping moment.
Our mages, our warlocks, our other hunter failures, it's all about the DPS meter to them. It's not the survivability. Oh we DPS sure, but three healers are dead and you dumbasses wonder WHY? Oh sure, blame the farkin' hunter who got herself killed saving the two trees, the Ret pally and the Disc Priest because you idiots don't know what 'burn the bloody beasts down' MEANS!
//SIGH//
I'm sorry, I'll try and be less...aggravated and pissed off from here on out.
For the record, I've never been yelled at by anyone in that fight. I do my job. I lay traps, I burn the beasts down as a one-woman army and normally have the healers rez me first when the ship hits the fan (Dear Zeffy, how I love thee oh mighty tree <3).
Tonight, oh no, it was pick on Lazona night!
The dumbfuck MM Hunter who was doing 8.2k dps with a Warpie (aka yours truly) over the douchebag's paltry 4.4k dps in the same bloody spec with a bloody wolf. Yes, I'm so honestly certain his "Dambfook" (no joke, he named his wolf that, wtffff DX) is oh so much better at surviving the blood beasts because it was dead BEFORE the first bloody wave of them, because, no surprises, stupid moron left growl turned on - not to mention every subsequent rez of his wolf drained his mana so much he spent the rest of the fight screaming for the druids to waste Innervate on his dumb ass claiming to have never picked up Aspect of the Viper in his training days. Then just stood there whilst Zefiris, Otaku and the rest of our healers goddamned DIED because he could not be arsed doing anything but DPSing Saurfang whilst the Blood Beasts ran rampant wiping us out. For the record, one hunter on 5 beasts is enough if there's some help not giving a turkey about the DPS meter. But when it's only me and people are running around screaming "BLOODBEASTAUUUUGH"...it gets...a bit hectic...
Lather, rinse, repeat this entire fiasco for...oooh four hours.
And then this douchebag, had the GALL, to call me a retarded bitch on Vent, listing what "I did wrong", which the guild was clearly in my favour telling him to shut up and learn to play. Much butthurt from this douche followed. Then he has the gall to say to me that I'm sucking off our GL that's why they like me so much - "coz you give head to people that matter, slut!" (raidchat, word for word)
Vent goes silent as I literally lose my cool.
My husband has never heard nor seen me rage in the way I did (he sits behind me at his comp). Thinking about it, prolly a good thing too.
What I exploded with I should have recorded. I don't even think Kav recorded it - I think it shocked him that I could get that malicious and angry. I'm not proud of getting worked up to that level. It is just a game, but this guy...I can't honestly put this idiot into words...he's like arguing with the dumbest person alive that you know who has somehow multipled into ten different dumb people, rolled himself into one and somehow just manages to make you want to build a Saronite Bomb and teach oblivion not to screw with you anymore.
Quite frankly, the words I used were a lot worse than what I've spewed out here. My patience just snapped. And somewhere in that entire eruption, then I find out the douchebag lives two streets away from us. And I know him, I know the douche personally. He works at the same complex I do. And worse still, he's given me shit to my face at work before, of which I've been unable to raise a hand against him despite wanting to smack that grinning mug of his all the way into the Kansas cornfields. His parents however are LOVELY people, regular shoppers at where I work. They know me very well, mind (I am doorgreeter and as such, they always stop for a chat, are polite and lovely and always wish for me to have a wonderful day).
Guess who let his parents know, in person tonight, what a stellar human being their 16yo son TRULY is when he's on Warcraft?
That is my version of Karma.
Beautiful sweet delicious Karma that tastes like Cadbury Creme Eggs and smells like the couch where my husband will be sleeping for the next week after convincing me to rejoin the failboat that is our "guild".
My conscious decision now is that when Cataclysm does roll around, I am transferring all my Saurfang toons offserver, namechanging them and just vanishing outright.
Kastarakovski...... *pat pat* I am so sorry. If I were you, or had I been anywhere near the situation, my response would have been the same. That level of stupidity is flat out unforgivable. I don't care HOW old you are. Hell, I want to find this little !@#$, and just !@#$ his little !@#$ straight up his !@#$. *Coughs* End moment. I hate people.
But hey, welcome to the world of "God stupid people make me hate raiding." We have t-shirts!
I had a bad run on my druid. We were on the first boss in POS I think it is the one that pulls out your soul. Well no one was DPsing the soul and we wiped after 8 minutes in there and it of course was the healers fault lol. Tank told me I oculd not heal and left. we got a new tank explained the fight and had no problem.
The huntress wrote:I had a bad run on my druid. We were on the first boss in POS I think it is the one that pulls out your soul. Well no one was DPsing the soul and we wiped after 8 minutes in there and it of course was the healers fault lol. Tank told me I oculd not heal and left. we got a new tank explained the fight and had no problem.
FoS/Forge of Souls :p
Tho be warned- there's people thinking you can skip the nuking on the soul too. Tank screaming at war and DK to nuke the soul but only Yas was
Ryai wrote:It's usually cause I try to stay away from melee if I can help it :p it's not so much 'far away' it's just 'far away from the things that want to omnom tree'. I try to not hug the tank/melee dps unless I get aggro from a pat or something then I go hauling to them as they, the smart ones, try to start peeling them off me.
O_o Tranq works from caster range on melee as well. xD As long as you're in range to hit the dps targets, you can hit melee in melee range of the targets too.
Ewwww, bot tanks. >_<
Palladiamorsdeus wrote:As for off healing, I tend to do it with any class that has it as an option if I think the healer is lagging, or if things get antsy. It's a hard wired response. I've been a healer for five years now, so if I see some ones bar dropping, my first impulse is HOLY LIGHT/REJUVENATE/HEALING WAVE/GIFT OF THE NAARU!!
^
This x1000.
I also help with cleansing/decursing where necessary. The only times I don't help with the healing are the fights (like ToC Anub) where if the dps doesn't dps, you're going to fall behind and wipe. Plus the extra healing on that fight only heals him more...
People were amazed when I first started playing my pally at 80 and I was ready with BoPs right quick, even when I was ret. I also throw around freedoms and salvs and such. It's not QUITE as easy to focus on as when I'm tanking, but I'm still ready for it. If I ever decide to make her offspec holy, I feel I'm in good shape with my ohshit button pressing.
Kastarakovski wrote:Soooo...I honestly farkin' thought I couldn't have any reason to quit WoW until Cata. Tonight...well...I'm starting to think it might be a good idea.
So, I'll give a brief rundown of the situation, in ICC25, in my godforsaken guild (yes, Kalliope, it happened yet again, and you have every right to call me an idiot for not /gquitting a second time - I'm not gonna hold it against you because you are right!)
Oh Kas, I'm not going to call you an idiot for that! *hugs* I still run with people who I KNOW are terrible raid leaders and such, just because the mood strikes. I have my regrets afterwards (or during, if it's that bad), but I do it too.
Kastarakovski wrote:not to mention every subsequent rez of his wolf drained his mana so much he spent the rest of the fight screaming for the druids to waste Innervate on his dumb ass claiming to have never picked up Aspect of the Viper in his training days.
............ LOL. Bad raid leader is still bad. You do NOT let an idiot like that stay in the raid. At all. Ever. >_< Certainly not for four hours.
I'm glad you told him off; he deserves it. If people want to be ignorant about how to play, fine. But if you're that bad and insulting good players, you deserve any verbal beatings you get. Hopefully a forthcoming server transfer will help. *huggles* Getting the F out of Dodge sounds like a great idea! Exhausted all on-server options for guilds already, I guess, right? (it's a bit cheaper to do that, so gotta ask)
As for FoS....you only NEED to dps the soul if dps is lower. GG that the tank wasn't paying attention to the group he was in. What a nub.
Yup, cleanse, BoP, worse comes to worse, DI to prevent a healer from dying. If I think it might get that bad though, I tell them that they can click it off. I am a hybrid, and if I am not utilizing my abilities to their fullest, then I am not doing it right. Same goes for my druid in cat form, same goes for my enhancement shaman. If I ever level him, same'll go for my shadow priest.
Oh GOD, speaking of forge of souls, anyone else ever encounter groups who DON'T STOP DPSING WHEN YOU'RE MARKED?? When you're DPS, that's bad enough. But I've seen then do it to ME when I was a HEALER, and THE TANK. I actually lived through MOST of it as my paladin when it happened, but then the death knight got in a 'lucky' critical that hit me for ten thousand damage. ANd since I was eating everyone's damage AND the adds were all over me, I sort of exploded. I told that group, very politely, TO NOT DPS WHEN SOME ONE WAS MARKED.
Wtf? I've never once nuked any 'soul' in Any of the ICC instances... No one ever told me that I had too... o.O I guess I could be considered One of those idiots that just burns... =( Seriously though, no one ever said anything about that... huh And, Most people in my groups are really nice, and well geared, so we don't stop for anything in the Last boss of FoS... We just heal through it, and I've never once died when i got marked... ever. But that's me/my server/my battle group... burn burn burn usually...
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Palladiamorsdeus wrote:Oh GOD, speaking of forge of souls, anyone else ever encounter groups who DON'T STOP DPSING WHEN YOU'RE MARKED?? When you're DPS, that's bad enough. But I've seen then do it to ME when I was a HEALER, and THE TANK. I actually lived through MOST of it as my paladin when it happened, but then the death knight got in a 'lucky' critical that hit me for ten thousand damage. ANd since I was eating everyone's damage AND the adds were all over me, I sort of exploded. I told that group, very politely, TO NOT DPS WHEN SOME ONE WAS MARKED.
I have friends who do that on purpose. >_> I bitch 'em out a bit when I get killed as a healer. It's all in fun and it's different when it's with your friends. Pugs don't get off so easily....-_-
Gimlion wrote:Wtf? I've never once nuked any 'soul' in Any of the ICC instances... No one ever told me that I had too... o.O I guess I could be considered One of those idiots that just burns... =( Seriously though, no one ever said anything about that... huh And, Most people in my groups are really nice, and well geared, so we don't stop for anything in the Last boss of FoS... We just heal through it, and I've never once died when i got marked... ever. But that's me/my server/my battle group... burn burn burn usually...
You might run with groups that have enough dps to nuke the hell out of the first boss, but not enough to destroy people on the second. Sounds like a perfect medium.... I just know that as a healer, I don't have enough cds to keep up EVERY focused person on the second boss....on either toon.
Ryai wrote:New healer low.
Min/maxer healer.
Guy let me dip to 1-3k hp repeatedly because Oh if I crit 23k on you it'd be wasting mana cause I'd have overhealed you! basically.
Aria was forced to heal me.
I was forced to heal myself.
This was bloody Violet Hold ffs.
This is when you kick the healer, since you don't need them anyway.
It's generally just a good ideal to kill the soul shard that comes out, overgeared or not. As for the last boss, if your DPS are doing ANY kind of serious damage on him, then some one is going to drop fast. In T-9 and thereabouts, it is impossible for me to keep up a DPS and the tank while a DPS is taking hits from the mark, and if you toss in the adds, things get even worse. So I am not entirely sure how you managed it.
They can all help.
