Kirix taming hotfixed???

[Mozag]

The point of these mobs was to have to do some interesting maneuvers to make the tame successful. Standing on a ledge or a rock and bypassing the mechanics was not what they intended for these mobs.

And exactly how is taming Karkin or Skarr challenging? Or Banny, once you perch on the tree (sounds a lot like Kirix and the rock to me)? Or the spider, I forget the name, that merely needs to be tamed with you standing in a lava pool? These tames would have been challenging if you didn't know what the mechanics are, but once you do, they're hardly very difficult, are they? Even on the rock, I believe there are mechanics that need to be used, such as being in the correct aspect and starting the tame correctly, etc. Not sure, since I've not yet tried taming him (still 15 levels to go for the hunter I'm getting him on ), but from what I've read here, it's not just a case of start taming and tab out until finished.

However, if Jessi says you can tame them in quest greens, then it's ok, since they are available to everyone.

[Nubhorns]

To all of the people insisting the rock method isn't the 'intended' way, you'd think they'd have hotfixed it on the PTR, where, if I remember correctly, that was the primary taming method for many, many spawns. You can brute force it with a ton of haste as well. It's not the intentional method - can anyone besides Noah truly say 'x mob was meant to be tamed y way' anyway? - but it works.

I'm not going to outright say anyone is necessarily wrong in this - it could be that they're just now trying to change it, or Kalli is correct and nothing has changed at all. I do wish we could squash what looks like the beginnings of 'rock tamers' vs 'deterrence tamers' or any of the other 'alternative' methods for taming the challenge pets, sort of akin to 'bronze madexx' vs 'venomscale spitter'. I don't see it as cheating, I see it as tackling the presented challenge in a different manner. Who cares if you tamed it the 'right' way - whatever that may be - you have your pet and that, I hope, is all that should matter.

[Lisaara]

To all of the people insisting the rock method isn't the 'intended' way, you'd think they'd have hotfixed it on the PTR, where, if I remember correctly, that was the primary taming method for many, many spawns. You can brute force it with a ton of haste as well. It's not the intentional method - can anyone besides Noah truly say 'x mob was meant to be tamed y way' anyway? - but it works.

I'm not going to outright say anyone is necessarily wrong in this - it could be that they're just now trying to change it, or Kalli is correct and nothing has changed at all. I do wish we could squash what looks like the beginnings of 'rock tamers' vs 'deterrence tamers' or any of the other 'alternative' methods for taming the challenge pets, sort of akin to 'bronze madexx' vs 'venomscale spitter'. I don't see it as cheating, I see it as tackling the presented challenge in a different manner. Who cares if you tamed it the 'right' way - whatever that may be - you have your pet and that, I hope, is all that should matter.

Silly nubby.....you should know Blizz never catches half the stuff on the PTR. They never fix it til it goes live and has been around for awhile. Hell theres still problems from years ago they haven't fixed.

And yeah I helped the dude by bringing out my corehound and popping his heroism. He got to really low health but he managed it. Some people have even died and still pulled off the tame via his running ledge.

[Monica Gems]

Skarr isn't hard but he WILL kill you if you don't do it right, people post here all the time "Blabla died to Skarr". Can you interrupt? If you're Surv, does sleep shot work (I'm not Surv, I don't know)? If you're BM, where's your interrupt? Can you time it, are you paying attention?

Banth is easy if you know about the tree method. If you don't (you'd be surprised), you're pretty stuck without help.

I know you're justifying being too lazy to tame him in a way that's harder than derptraptame, but I'm also the kind of player who disapproves of finding shortcuts in bosses to prevent mechanics from happening (see Lockmaw prior to the fix).

[Novikova]

Skarr will kill the heck out of people, including those just standing nearby. >_> I think BM only has scattershot - but I tamed him by switching to MM and taming.

That said, I honestly wasn't lazy. I looked around and no one told me about the disengage thing. That said, Kirix could still hit me on the ledge. He blew me up with poisons and never evaded on the ledge. *shrugs* I'm sorry if people feel I am 'lazy' or an 'exploiter' because that's very far from the truth. It wasn't 'derptraptame'. It was OH GOD HASTE NR GO GO GO GO MY FACE HE'S EATING MY FACE. Then again, Haste seems to be the key to a couple of these challenges.

I am not a cheater. I am not lazy. I do not use exploits. I deserve my Kirix as much as anyone else and to Hell with those of you who think I don't.

[Vephriel]

Haha, I tamed Kirix on the rock and it was the most hilarious and strenuous tame I've ever done. I went in blind, deciding to get him on a whim, and had no prior knowledge of what to do. It was trial and error with the help of a Night Elf trying to motion what to do. Kirix never evaded from the rock, he killed me quite a few times until I got the hang of it. It was a really fun experience.

[Miacoda]

It's not stopping hunters. I helped a hunter in all greens(aside from the one epic you buy from Matoclaw) tame Kirix the right way(not the glitch evade rocks). He almost died but he pulled it off. So it's not preventing anyone from taming him.

I can confirm this. I was helping someone not super well geared on my server tame Kirix and they just couldn't get the rock or ledge tame right, so I told them about the legit tame and they got it on the second try.

[Kalliope]

Silly nubby.....you should know Blizz never catches half the stuff on the PTR. They never fix it til it goes live and has been around for awhile. Hell theres still problems from years ago they haven't fixed.

Considering how many things we reported about the 10 challenge tames on the PTR that were changed quickly, I highly doubt that that is the case here. Regardless of whether the rock tame was originally intended or not, it definitely still works and it doesn't seem like anything has been changed regarding it, so it's reasonable to assume, based on all of these things, that the method has been okayed by Blizz.

As I've said before, it's the gear equalizing option without requiring corehound juggling, so it seems like a viable alternative. *shrug*

[Lisaara]

Silly nubby.....you should know Blizz never catches half the stuff on the PTR. They never fix it til it goes live and has been around for awhile. Hell theres still problems from years ago they haven't fixed.

Considering how many things we reported about the 10 challenge tames on the PTR that were changed quickly, I highly doubt that that is the case here. Regardless of whether the rock tame was originally intended or not, it definitely still works and it doesn't seem like anything has been changed regarding it, so it's reasonable to assume, based on all of these things, that the method has been okayed by Blizz.

As I've said before, it's the gear equalizing option without requiring corehound juggling, so it seems like a viable alternative. *shrug*

But its not really a challenge then if you're taking the easy-way out.

[Nubhorns]

Silly nubby.....you should know Blizz never catches half the stuff on the PTR. They never fix it til it goes live and has been around for awhile. Hell theres still problems from years ago they haven't fixed.

Considering how many things we reported about the 10 challenge tames on the PTR that were changed quickly, I highly doubt that that is the case here. Regardless of whether the rock tame was originally intended or not, it definitely still works and it doesn't seem like anything has been changed regarding it, so it's reasonable to assume, based on all of these things, that the method has been okayed by Blizz.

As I've said before, it's the gear equalizing option without requiring corehound juggling, so it seems like a viable alternative. *shrug*

But its not really a challenge then if you're taking the easy-way out.

(Thanks Kalli, I was going to say something similar but I stayed in bed sick most of the day. Quit readin' my mind. )

That is entirely up to the opinion of the hunter taming and I am going to get really sick of this community if we keep trying to turn it into a "I'm better than you because I tamed X pet with Y method instead of taking the 'easy way out'.". We truly are an unpleasant fanbase when we actively strive to split the community down the middle into little sections on who did what 'the right way'. There is NO difference between a hunter who tames Kirix with deterrence and one who tames him on the rock besides the method they chose to use. BOTH completed the challenge. Both methods have a decent risk of failure - be it evading, death, whatever - and if you do not fail the tame I think it's safe to say you completed the challenge. It's not laziness, it's not durtraptame, I don't get what is so hard about seeing the rock taming as a viable alternative unless you're actively trying to smear the people who tamed Kirix using it.

You can consider it the easy way out all you like, but that's never going to make it anything more than an opinion until you get Noah & co. to say so themselves.

[Kalliope]

Considering how many things we reported about the 10 challenge tames on the PTR that were changed quickly, I highly doubt that that is the case here. Regardless of whether the rock tame was originally intended or not, it definitely still works and it doesn't seem like anything has been changed regarding it, so it's reasonable to assume, based on all of these things, that the method has been okayed by Blizz.

As I've said before, it's the gear equalizing option without requiring corehound juggling, so it seems like a viable alternative. *shrug*

But its not really a challenge then if you're taking the easy-way out.

(Thanks Kalli, I was going to say something similar but I stayed in bed sick most of the day. Quit readin' my mind. )

That is entirely up to the opinion of the hunter taming and I am going to get really sick of this community if we keep trying to turn it into a "I'm better than you because I tamed X pet with Y method instead of taking the 'easy way out'.". We truly are an unpleasant fanbase when we actively strive to split the community down the middle into little sections on who did what 'the right way'. There is NO difference between a hunter who tames Kirix with deterrence and one who tames him on the rock besides the method they chose to use. BOTH completed the challenge. Both methods have a decent risk of failure - be it evading, death, whatever - and if you do not fail the tame I think it's safe to say you completed the challenge. It's not laziness, it's not durtraptame, I don't get what is so hard about seeing the rock taming as a viable alternative unless you're actively trying to smear the people who tamed Kirix using it.

You can consider it the easy way out all you like, but that's never going to make it anything more than an opinion until you get Noah & co. to say so themselves.

Well said, Nub.

As I have said dozens of times before, both taming methods use deterrence timing to tame him (except for the uber haste stacking, and getting to a rock with the haste buff is more difficult than all that), which makes both valid. Period. As long as the hunter risks dying to tame him, they're still getting "full credit" in my book.

No good will come of pursuing this argument, Jess. Please let it go. >_<

[Novikova]

I think the ledge is just fine. Ask people watching me about blowing up to poison. >_> And boy, did he ever cast at me. So I had to time my deterrence and haste just right. I'm just really disheartened that someone thinks I 'took an easy way out' or 'am lazy' or 'don't deserve my kirix' because I knew the ledge way. I died. A lot. It was tense. I worried about another hunter snagging him. He hit me plenty. I dunno about the rock way but.

And no, I'm not going to abandon or tame a second Kirix to 'do it right'. o_O I dunno. I think Nub and company are right though.

[Royi]

Dont shoot him to grab his attention, I've heard the one shot method works, but I never had any luck with it. My tame was a simple Tame Beast to pull, then Det+Tame once he started casting.

Theory: Or I think you just need to auto-shoot perhaps, any spell damage with Arcane Shot or Explosive Shot or whatever will cause him to evade at the end of taming.

[CrystalKitten]

I gotta agree with Nubs and Kalli here. As long as poeple are having fun, and getting their pets successfully without something that's OBVIOUSLY a bug (Ie.. if you could glitch it so you just plain didn't get hit by a spell somehow...), it's all good!

I mean, it's not Kirix, but I got Skarr AND Karkin without any silences. My idea of a challenge tame was completing the tame in my chosen spec (BM). So I haste stacked til I could stack no more haste And then crossed my fingers and hit tame

Really, so long as people are having fun, and their fun doesn't directly inhibit your own, or use obvious hacks/exploits, why does it matter?