Gyroworms from Deepholm

[jan98]

Hello,

My name is Jan and my first character created when I first installed Wow in 2007 (about the time of BC) was a hunter.
It is still my favourite class to play.
My favourite spec till this day is BM and I love to play as much as possible in this spec.
But if I have to change spec because it will benefit the group or raid or my own dps output then I will do that ofc.
I found out on this forum and various other sources that hunters are mostly very understanding and flexible.

I just love pets and especially the exotic pets.
My absolute favourite is still Loque'Nahak. But the non exotic new black gem cat (Skarr) is also an absolute beauty !

Anyway, back to the title of my post (and ontopic):

I also use worms and my favorite worms is the jormungar worm (the purple but NOT the ghostly variant).
I would absolutely love to see that the Gyroworms in Deepholm could be tamed at some point in the future.
Just love the animation on the worm. Makes the pet very dynamic even when standing still doing nothing.

On a sidenote:

I would also love to see pets not specifically catogorized as Cunning/Ferocity/Tenacity. But that you can specify yourself that a pet can be Cunning/Ferocity/Tenacity.
But this is all open for debate and I will understand everyone's point of view of this and I am very happy the way that it is today, but still would be nice.

Anyway, this is my first post on this excellent forum.
If you have any comment whatsoever, please let me know.
Thanks for reading!

Greetings,
Jan.

[Vephriel]

Though I don't want Gyreworms myself, I don't see why they aren't tamable when Shale Spiders are. I'm not a fan of either, but if one can be tamed is just seems reasonable that the other could as well.

[jan98]

Hi Vephriel,

Thanks for your comment.
Indeed, on my own realm I don't see too many hunters with a worm as pet as well.
But for some reason or another I like them very much (but only the worms from Northrend, not the other worms tbh).

I have a Shale Spider as well and I like the buff it gives and the shreaking sound I find very nice, to me it is not disturbing and I find it rather cute as well. lol.

I must admit, however, that bonding or loving a pet is easier with a cat like pet. In real life I have a cat as well and I just absolutely love cats.
But what I find a bit disappointing about cats in general is that the yawn animation/sound is a bit too frequent.
In real life I've never seen a lion or a tiger or a housecat yawn four times in a row. I rarely see my own real life cat yawning much, except when he just awakes or is about to go to sleep perhaps.

Anyway, on the issue of worms.
I would only use two types of worms. The Northrend worms (Jormungar) or if they become available the Gyroworms (deepholm).

Sorry if I posted some extra things about myself or about other pets, but there isn't really much to say about Gyroworms, lol.
Except for the fact that I really like them

[Chimera]

Unfortunately, which i think is rediculious, blizzard feels that gyreworms have to, absolutely and positively be elementals and in no way in hell so long as they feel that way, to be considered beasts. I myself havent read the threads and blue posts but through comments of others blizz really tried to give us a good slap in the face with their desires for the gyreworms so that we wouldnt bring the topic up again with them (in proverbial fear of getting whacked down again perhaps lol). i myself adore jormungars, i think of them as leg-less, eye-less, enormous tusked and toothed puppies with a bundle full of personality and adorable slobbery love xD i was happy to know they were tameable, even though none of my hunters have one >< and gyreworms i love for the colors and how their segmented disk bodies constantly spin, and i rather think their model is quite attractive despite the clouds of brown dust they're constantly creating. I myself would kill to see them tameable just so, if i felt like it, i could tame one of the turquoise ones <3

[jan98]

Hi xakaal,

Thanks also for your point of view and/or facts you have read about gyreworms in general. much appreciated .

I have to agree about the dust clouds. But the overall look or appearance is very nice I think. like you said, the rotating discs are a nice feature of this creature.
Gyreworms not being beasts or being elementals. I, myself, am in constant disagreement if a gyreworm could be considered beasts.
They look more like elementals to be honest, but still.....
When you look at Shalespiders, which we also are able to tame, then you could come to the same conclusion. Although classified ingame as beasts, they look more like a rock or elemental.
If someone encounters shale spiders for the first time and lets say he/she knows nothing about them, then that persons natural instinct or feeling would be that it is also an elemental or rock like creature and not a tameable beast in the true sense of the word.
When I think about the word "beast" , then I must admit that I think of creatures with flesh and bones or squishy materials and/or fur or hair or something soft at least. lol.

Core hounds could also be considered more like warlock minions than hunter pets if you're looking purely at the looks of an creature.
I mean they have a more demon like look than a beast look, although it also looks a bit like a twoheaded bulldog, somehow.. lol .
Anyway, everybody thinks/feels diffently about which creatures should be classified as beasts and which shouldn't.

As I notice myself, it is not an easy topic if you think very carefully about it. It becomes more and more complicated.
Unless a hunter is considered to be a 'creature' tamer rather than a 'beast' tamer .

[Chimera]

yea there are a lot of creatures that are controversial, including ghostly pets (since they're supposed to be dead) but blizz is strange and they work in strange ways

[jan98]

I agree and my own point of view. I wish Blizzard could do a poll at the general public once in a while to see which creatures/beasts the general public and hunters specifically want to be to tame. that would truely be awesome. the needs of the many outways the need of the few and not everybody will be satisfied.
This to me would be something very cool if Blizzard is able to do a thing like this once a while (maybe even once a year).
A vote list in the launcher. "click here to vote for the next beast/creature to be included ingame that will be able to be tamed".

My imagination running wild here, and of course not everybody would choose something honestly, but you have to do something at some point.
Most votes this week are for "Thunderhead" the lightning kodo... and next week it might be something different. And lets say that only people with a lvl 85 hunter can vote, to make it a bit more honest perhaps. otherwise people would make a lvl 1 hunter and vote anything. But you could think up anything to make people eligible to vote for such a thing, I think.
I mean it is 2011, yes we can.. yes we can make a poll and find out what most hunters want as pet.. and once in a while we will honor that choice and "make it so!" .

I vote for Gyre or gyro worms, thank you.

@Xakaal :

I love your story about your worm and I agree. soft, big. I can imagine my worm curling in a circle all around me, keeping me warm and protecting me. Even though he technically have no eyes, we are connected on a deeper level. He has hightened other senses, better hearing or to able to feel certain vibrations. He 'feels' when I'm not feeling well and tries in his own way make me feel better.
My worm is not just a creature to use, but also a friend and because he can't see or hear, it makes it even more special.

[Snowwalker]

We get a talent to tame exotic beasts.. Why not elemental beasts? Still elemental, still a tameable beast, win win. The phoenix could fall under this. The cinderdogs. Firehawks... Exotic rank2

[Zuilu]

We get a talent to tame exotic beasts.. Why not elemental beasts? Still elemental, still a tameable beast, win win. The phoenix could fall under this. The cinderdogs. Firehawks... Exotic rank2

This would be REALLY cool.

[Britany]

I agree with you. I'd love to tame a gyreworm, and I don't see why we can't. This game is not very realistic, seeing that we can tame ghostly animals, zombified animals like those zombie hawks and boars, squeeing piles of rock, among many other things. Hell, if you tame a seagull it will do as much damage as a ravager (which doesn't resemble any animals I can think of - another reason this game isn't realistic)... So, why can't we tame a gyreworm? It's just as animal-like as a shale spider. Blizzard really doesn't have many reasons why they shouldn't be tameable.

[meepitco]

I'd just like to add here something I found interesting on Wowhead that relates to taming Gyroworms.
http://www.wowhead.com/npc=34865
These are classified as beasts. Meaning if Blizz ever wanted to add a new type of worm, they easily could convert some of the Deepholm Gyroworms into Beasts. I know this may seem....interesting, but literally there is proof Gyroworms could be beasts someday.
And I agree with above, that we could have Elemental Taming. Except we'd receive a lot of envy from Shammies.

[GormanGhaste]

I think gyreworms are too elemental to make good hunter pets (I feel the same about shale spiders), but I'd love to have one as a mini-pet!

[Sigrah]

I'd just like to add here something I found interesting on Wowhead that relates to taming Gyroworms.
http://www.wowhead.com/npc=34865
These are classified as beasts. Meaning if Blizz ever wanted to add a new type of worm, they easily could convert some of the Deepholm Gyroworms into Beasts. I know this may seem....interesting, but literally there is proof Gyroworms could be beasts someday.

That's because Blizzard originally had them flagged as beasts before they changed their minds and flagged them as elementals. My guess is that they didn't want to give Hunters the impression that Gyreworms could (or should) be tamable in the future. Why? Who knows.

Personally, I don't care either way. I'm already playing the WoW equivilant of an NFL head coach trying to reach the roster limit on both of my Hunters, and I don't know who I'd cut to make room. I also wonder how long I'd be able to put up with the constant "churning rock" noise they make before releasing them or stabling them permanently.

[Meggers]

I only think they should based on the fact that shale spiders are tameable. If the shale spiders weren't then I wouldn't see this as being something that should/could happen.

Personally I think they are too elemental as well but as many have stated...we have shale spiders. (And for crying out loud while Skoll might be a wolf he is still elemental to me...hes lightning damnit! (but I hope they never take him from us because I love him) XD )

[jan98]

As the topic starter I'd like to thank everyone in here.
Thanks everyone for your point of views and as different as they might be, I can see and understand why some people think that the gyroworms are too elemental looking.
I have doubts still myself, I don't want to be able to tame everything, allthough that would really rock, but I can understand that the Gyro/gyre worms are a bit too much.

But me personally haven't changed my mind. Secretly I still hope they would be available to tame but I still would understand for reasons metioned by previous messages why they should not be hunter pets.
I have tempered my answer, because I don't want to be a bit hostile or negative about this and I have to realise that not everything should be available, but still... secretly one can hope

About the damage being equal no matter what animal is doing the attack. I agree, but I think that it would complicate alot of aspects of the game if different animals have different damage output.
Although a real life bear could kill you with one blow or at least very seriously wound you and a seagull not so much, yeah I think everybody agrees with this.
But I imagine that the game in its entirety would be very difficult to balance. dps wise.
One solution could be.. if you tame a more powerfull animal you automatically do less damage yourself, but that would also not be realistic.
I think its very hard to balance the hunter class in comparison with other classes, at least that is my thought about it.

[jan98]

We get a talent to tame exotic beasts.. Why not elemental beasts? Still elemental, still a tameable beast, win win. The phoenix could fall under this. The cinderdogs. Firehawks... Exotic rank2

Exotic Rank 2. Haven't thought about it in this way. sounds interesting.
To make it more extreme: perhaps a choice of direction of the hunter .. elemental hunter.. beast hunter or exotic hunter.
But if you are one of those specific type of hunter you can switch between the 3 specs and keep using the pets you are allowed to have.
But thinking about it, kind of limits the hunter in choice of pets. like in the olden days with leatherworking.. dragonscale or elemental LW and such

Ehmm would make it very interesting though to have 3 hunters on your account. One hunter for PvE, one for PvP and one for any reason you can think of.
But that would seriously make getting gear a very time consuming process I would imagine, unless all loot you get is account bound and class bound only. and that you can transmogrify or actually change stats to your needs when in different aspects of the game (pve,pvp,raiding,ratedBG, etc...)

But this is getting too much offtopic. lol. sorry about that.

Gyroworms for the win !

[Sarantha]

I would LOVE a gyreworm. I hate worms in general as pets, but these worms look AMAZING! I also hate shale spiders and killed Jadefange for the pet before bothering with taming her. I would adore taming a pink/violet gyreworm. They are so dynamic and look almost mechanical and would go awesome with a goblin hunter. My hunter is an orc, but I still think a mecha-like pet would go great with goblins.

[Chimera]

Gyreworms yes, are too elemental but i still found it rediculious how blizz gave us shale spiders and made a big hype of expressing their decision in making them elementals. It just.. made no sense.. as cute as jadefang might be i wouldnt be sad of losing the look, only the buff that shale spiders give. Both are indeed too elemental looking but very pretty as i mentioned previously with their rotating disks and colored crystals but i wouldnt mind if both were considered elemental only and not beasts. Regardless though i still really love them and think the blue one would look really awesome against my worgen or even a draenei if i lvled one up. All in all i just want a pet that has a lot of turquoise color like karoma. I think my 'would kill to have em tameable' idea is cause i have a shaman thats very elemental based and i had her in mind when i was typing my earlier comments. >.> Now i wish shamans could tame elementals...........

[Britany]

Oh no, I didn't mean that seagulls should do less damage than bears, ravagers, etc. I was trying to emphasize how "realistic" Blizzard is with pets - shale spiders aren't the only example you could use to back up why gyreworms should be tameable. It's the fact that hunter pets as a whole can be pretty ridiculous, so I don't understand why we can't tame gyreworms. Yes, they're very elemental-like, but as we've all pointed out, shale spiders are tameable, along with many many other questionable pets.

[Worba]

Ever since Blizzard decided to make undead boars tamable so that players would have a mob to learn charge rank 6 from, we've been skidding down a slippery slope.

On the one hand, if you can tame a vaguely canid looking thing formed of lava (aka core hounds), there really is no reason why you couldn't tame *anything* that at least uses a somewhat beastlike silhouette / posture.

On the other hand, I think Blizzard wants to limit the number of "special exceptions" like this.

So they have to impose limits that are quite arbitrary - gyreworms could work quite well as hunter worm pets, it's just that Blizzard's "comfort quota" of not-exactly-beasty-pets seems to have been saturated (probably right around the time they let us tame shale spiders would be my guess...) for the time being.

Down the road I could see it happening though - I have a strong feeling 5.0 will usher in a lot of new pet models including those, basilisks, and hydras. Hopefully it will aslo usher in some kind of revamp of pet talents allowing hydra to be ferocity whilst barring them from dash... but that's a different conversation...