AQ Boss Pet Bug

[Sesamee]

Does anyone have any info on the bug with the AQ tameable Silithid bosses? It gives them a Frenzy buff for 10m when tamed or something. Our guild hunters were using them on our H Rag attempts last night. Our alt run is tomorrow night and I want to tame one before then as we're starting HM's. Is there a special trick? Do you have to tame them while they have the buff up? I didn't have time to ask them about it last night after raid and won't be able to log on until later tonight so am trying here to see if anyone has any info.

I released my regular brown ant Silithid, Tagmata, temporarily because I thought I was going to tame one last night. At the last minute those plans got cancelled. I miss her already, lol! Mommy's coming to get you back soon, Tag!!!

[TygerDarkstorm]

It's worth mentioning that doing this is probably considered an exploit in Blizzard's books as the buff the pet retains does seem to actually be boosting the pet's DPS.

Edit: It's also something I don't think we should be encouraging here on Petopia.

[Sesamee]

Sorry, I didn't mean to break any rules or anything. I'm sure it's a bug that will be fixed soon but IMO if there's a tameable mob in the game whatever buffs it does or doesn't retain is Blizz's fault not mine. I don't see how it's any different from Demo warlocks using their bugged Doomguard that benefits far more from mastery than intended. It's not like I'm hacking the game to give a pet an extra buff just taking advantage of one that already exists in game. I don't see how that's wrong or inappropriate.

[Kalliope]

Sorry, I didn't mean to break any rules or anything. I'm sure it's a bug that will be fixed soon but IMO if there's a tameable mob in the game whatever buffs it does or doesn't retain is Blizz's fault not mine. I don't see how it's any different from Demo warlocks using their bugged Doomguard that benefits far more from mastery than intended. It's not like I'm hacking the game to give a pet an extra buff just taking advantage of one that already exists in game. I don't see how that's wrong or inappropriate.

There was a lengthy discussion regarding these bugged pets and the unintended way of taming them. It was deemed by a dev to be definitely not okay to tame bugged pets that gave a dps boost or another sort of advantage over other players.

http://forums.wow-petopia.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2082

All the useful info is in the resource thread.

[Acherontia]

I'm really not amused by the hunters doing this, since the world's highest BM DPS showing in raid records is showing that BM is amazing, when it's actually undertuned. Misrepresenting us through an exploit isn't going to do BM any good, not to mention it's just plain cheating : / Sparkly pets are one thing, this is a whole other issue.

[Sesamee]

Wow, didn't realize this was such a touchy subject. Anyone who thinks BM's dps is comparable to MM or isn't under tuned is an idiot and wouldn't be able to get good numbers no matter how good BM is or isn't. A tiny bit of looking into the matter can tell a reasonably intelligent person otherwise. If bugged pets are cheating then all the Demo locks are cheaters too so were the Destro locks when the Imp was bugged. If Blizz doesn't want a certain pet to have a certain ability they can fix it. It's completely in their control. How can taming a tameable pet by the same method you would tame any other pet be cheating?

[Kalliope]

There is a big difference between warlocks getting their doomguards by default and hunters running out and choosing what to tame. Locks only had one doomguard option. Hunters can choose to use a non-bugged silithid tamed by normal means. The hunters taming the bugged silithids are not obtaining them by normal means. That was a question that you asked in your original post and you were answered. So, no, these bugged pets are NOT tamed "by the same method you would tame any other pet," and that is why it is cheating.

[CrystalKitten]

The reason it's cheating is because it's unintended. And Blizzard doesn't always know that these pets are able to be tamed with buffs until someone reports it, OR they do one of their runs to the stats sites and decide to actually look into the info BEHIND the reported numbers. It's like trying to claim that stealing is okay if you don't get caught, because if they didn't WANT you to steal from the store, they wouldn't let you *shrug*.

In short: Blizzard can't know about bugs (be they bugged tames or otherwise) until those bugs are reported. Even then, they need to figure out how to fix them without just flat out taking away the pets. It might SEEM like a simple "if they don't want us to, we won't be able to" but it's more complicated than that. Why else would there be so many glitch/buff tames that were taken away once reported (most recent being the exploded raptors and striders)?

[TygerDarkstorm]

Please stop comparing warlock demon bugs to hunter pet bugs--they're not the same thing at all. As Kalli mentioned, warlocks have very little choice dictating which pets to use for their given spec. Even without the bug, the doomguard is still the most powerful single target CD demon to use on a boss fight; the imp is still destro's pet of choice regardless of a bug. The only spec this ever differed on was when succubi were affliction's go to pet for a little while, but Blizzard ended up nipping that in the bud.

Hunters on the other hand *choose* which kinds of pets they tame and knowingly going out and taming a pet that retains a buff *is* an exploitable act and can potentially get you suspended or even banned. I'm glad to see that others of this community feel the same way I do that we don't need to encourage people to go out and tame a pet with a specific DPS increasing buff just to bump some numbers on a chart. It's wrong, first of all, and we don't need that kind of image placed on our community. BM gets a bad enough rap as it is.

[Sesamee]

Just because you disagree with my comparison doesn't make it less valid to me. A doomguard is a cd so technically is optional. A warlock doesn't HAVE to use it but will do so if they want to achieve max dps. The doomguard bug has been known for a while and demo lock who continues to use a bugged pet is cheating according to "the rules". This game is math and if every class wants to do the best dps then they bring the tools with them that bring the best numbers. Whether these tools are bugged or not is not the players fault. It's Blizz's. If they don't want it in the game they can remove it. Simple!

I suppose if you have to use a special macro or something, similar to info already available on this website, you could claim it's not taming it by normal means but if you can just go tame the Boss and it still retains it's buff then that's fair game, IMO. I honestly don't know yet exactly how its done but I plan to find out.

It's like trying to claim that stealing is okay if you don't get caught, because if they didn't WANT you to steal from the store, they wouldn't let you *shrug*.

That's ridiculous to compare my claim to stealing. I suppose taking advantage of tax loopholes in the law would be a valid comparison but not stealing. Blizzard is responsible for the content available to players in the game. Someone claiming ignorance of the law doesn't get a pass if they break it and neither does Blizz if they are unaware of a situation within their own game. They don't want it in game? Fine! Fix it and be done with it and everyone can move on. Until that happens I don't get all the hostility towards me simply asking a question about a situation that exists in game. You'd think I created this bug myself or something!

[Lisaara]

Please stop comparing warlock demon bugs to hunter pet bugs--they're not the same thing at all. As Kalli mentioned, warlocks have very little choice dictating which pets to use for their given spec. Even without the bug, the doomguard is still the most powerful single target CD demon to use on a boss fight; the imp is still destro's pet of choice regardless of a bug. The only spec this ever differed on was when succubi were affliction's go to pet for a little while, but Blizzard ended up nipping that in the bud.

Hunters on the other hand *choose* which kinds of pets they tame and knowingly going out and taming a pet that retains a buff *is* an exploitable act and can potentially get you suspended or even banned. I'm glad to see that others of this community feel the same way I do that we don't need to encourage people to go out and tame a pet with a specific DPS increasing buff just to bump some numbers on a chart. It's wrong, first of all, and we don't need that kind of image placed on our community. BM gets a bad enough rap as it is.

Well Tyger and the others pretty much summed it up in my mind. We do not encourage this on Petopia. We, infact, frown upon it severely because that makes the rest of us look horrible in the long run. It's cheating no matter how you slice it.

There's a huge difference between having a choice to go out to tame a bugged pet and being forced to use what Blizzard made you use.

[Kalliope]

I suppose if you have to use a special macro or something, similar to info already available on this website, you could claim it's not taming it by normal means but if you can just go tame the Boss and it still retains it's buff then that's fair game, IMO. I honestly don't know yet exactly how its done but I plan to find out.

You don't know because you're not listening. If you had actually looked at the link I gave you earlier, you would have all your questions answered.

I'll repeat:

- You can't just walk up to the silithid and tame it normally to retain the abusive buff.
- There is a "special" taming method required to tame the bugged silithids.
- It is the same taming method used to retain special appearance buffs on pets.
- The official word from our lurker dev regarding bugged pets: "Any retained features that are actual buffs are a definite no-no. Anything that affects class balance by buffing your pet is out."

All of this rambling about warlocks and doomguards is utterly irrelevant and doesn't prove your point in the slightest because the situations are entirely different.

[Azunara]

I have an idea.

Let me tame any demon I want. And then, if I keep using my doomguard, THEN we can talk. Until then, your comparison is illogical.

I am a Demo lock. My doomguard is my -most- important pet. My entire spec is about using demons. I am given a special demon, just for me, to use because I am demo. I have to use my doomguard if I want to kick out real DPS. It's not, "Oh, you can tame a wolf or a devilsaur for your DPS buff" for me. It's "Use your doomguard or you're doing it wrong."

Warlock pets and hunter pets are never a fair comparison. When I can choose, name, and spec my demon, then comparisons can be made. :\

Furthermore, yes. Do not use the bugged pets. You know it's a bug. We know it's a bug. A note has been made of it. Don't do it. The end.

[Sesamee]

You don't know because you're not listening. If you had actually looked at the link I gave you earlier, you would have all your questions answered.

I'll repeat:

- You can't just walk up to the silithid and tame it normally to retain the abusive buff.
- There is a "special" taming method required to tame the bugged silithids.
- It is the same taming method used to retain special appearance buffs on pets.
- The official word from our lurker dev regarding bugged pets: "Any retained features that are actual buffs are a definite no-no. Anything that affects class balance by buffing your pet is out."

All of this rambling about warlocks and doomguards is utterly irrelevant and doesn't prove your point in the slightest because the situations are entirely different.

You posted a link with almost 30 other links in it. Yes, I looked at it, no I didn't see any information stating specifically how these silithids are tamed. I even said maybe it's with a special macro or something I wasn't sure. So don't tell me I'm not listening. My main is a lock so I'm not blowing smoke out of my ass. I know the class inside and out, far better than I do hunters, and I see similarities between a bugged doomguard and bugged hunter pet. I've tried my best to be a positive contributing member of this site since I first found it and I ask one question about an in game situation and end up getting attacked because my opinion is different from others. Being rude and ganging up on someone is far more likely to give you a bad reputation than taming a tameable pet that happens to have an unintended buff.

This thread has become neither positive nor productive so hopefully it will die or get locked. I didn't know what a rukus asking what I thought was an innocent question would start. I do my best to stay positive and not deal with drama or negativity so with that I'm done with this topic.

[Kalliope]

You posted a link with almost 30 other links in it. Yes, I looked at it, no I didn't see any information stating specifically how these silithids are tamed. I even said maybe it's with a special macro or something I wasn't sure. So don't tell me I'm not listening. My main is a lock so I'm not blowing smoke out of my ass. I know the class inside and out, far better than I do hunters, and I see similarities between a bugged doomguard and bugged hunter pet. I've tried my best to be a positive contributing member of this site since I first found it and I ask one question about an in game situation and end up getting attacked because my opinion is different from others. Being rude and ganging up on someone is far more likely to give you a bad reputation than taming a tameable pet that happens to have an unintended buff.

This thread has become neither positive nor productive so hopefully it will die or get locked. I didn't know what a rukus asking what I thought was an innocent question would start. I do my best to stay positive and not deal with drama or negativity so with that I'm done with this topic.

The second post in the resources thread included links regarding the taming method you were after. The reason you didn't find any information there specifically regarding your silithid is because taming that one in particular would be an exploit, so no one would recommend your doing so.

You're only getting disagreed with by a number of us because you are insisting in pursuing an intentional bug exploit and are being very stubborn in the definition thereof.

The thread was neither positive nor productive from the original post, since common sense (and the previously linked discussion threads) indicate that what you were after was a bug exploit. Overall, the tone of this thread has been quite civil, especially considering how heated things can get here. The only person truly getting upset is you.

At any rate, both sides have made their points. Hopefully, this bug will be hotfixed quickly, so there won't be any issue.

[Lisaara]

I hope it gets hotfixed too very soon before it gets out of hand. It's one thing to tame something that's physically amusing but gives you no better dps than the hunter next to you. It's another when you purposely tame something to do dps you don't rightfully deserve to do because it's bugged.

[CrystalKitten]

To those hoping it gets hotfix, I did put in a bug ticket about it, just incase it hadn't been reported yet. I did get a canned response, however, it wasn't the "This is a known issue, and we're currently working on a fix" It was "thanks for letting us know, we'll look into it and get a hotfix out as soon as possible". So I will repeat that perhaps the reason it was possible, and wasn't fixed, is because nobody reported it as a bug since it was only benefiting people. People don't want their toys taken away

[Wassa]

I heard on the PTR the Vengeance buff these silithids can be tamed with will disappear if you log or zone into a different area, so this may be a "fix" already. I haven't been able to test this myself, however.

[Nightsights]

weren't you one of the hunters who posted a "how to tame?" question on the US wow hunter forums that got locked/deleted? i saw atleast two of those posts getting locked/deleted this weekend.

the blues deleted those posts b/c taming those pets with the +dmg buff are considered exploits. we have confirmation from an actual dev (Noah) via Wain. they even posted a hotfix for those types of buffs Dec 13th 2010, which wasnt actually implemented until around March 2011. i read from a few posters on the US wow forums that this particular buff and maybe even all pet buffs are getting fixed when 4.3 comes out.