general thoughts on the Worgen starter area

[Ket Shi]

Well here's a bit of spoilers....

Varian is actually looking to Genn and the worgens for help. Why? to control his own rage/anger issues.

So, at what level does this section of the story continue?
I'm curious as to whether I should be seeking out specific quests, or if this is from end-game dungeons.

It's...surprise, surprise, from a novel. Much of worgen lore is only touched on in the comics and novels.

The only in-game conclusion to the worgen story is through the Horde-side Silverpine questing experience. Do it on one of your Hordies and enjoy the ride.

[Sukurachi]

well that is unfair!


Worgen players should be able to get through the story of their OWN people and find out what it's all about.

[cowmuflage]

well that is unfair!


Worgen players should be able to get through the story of their OWN people and find out what it's all about.

Technicly their own story is the human one but that's me being picky Same gos for the forsaken

But really who the hell reads the bloody novels? I can't stand the comics. It's that art style it's just ugh.

[Sukurachi]

Maybe I'm reading the sources wrong, but from my understanding, while technically "human", the people of Gilneas are not the same people as those of Stormwind. In other words, the same race/species, but a different people, nation, culture.

And that is certainly a very strong impression that is left when going through the Gilnean starter region.
There is all that talk about the rebels who try to overthrow the rightful king.
And then of course, the simple fact that Gilneas HAS a king of its own.

[Chimera]

well that is unfair!


Worgen players should be able to get through the story of their OWN people and find out what it's all about.

Technicly their own story is the human one but that's me being picky Same gos for the forsaken

But really who the hell reads the bloody novels? I can't stand the comics. It's that art style it's just ugh.

.. I read the novels... ive read all the novels up to Stormrage about 2-4 times each (i dont have any past that which includes The Sunduring.. i need christmas money and boxing day first to get the best deals since i dont want to buy them all and go broke xD)

[cowmuflage]

Maybe I'm reading the sources wrong, but from my understanding, while technically "human", the people of Gilneas are not the same people as those of Stormwind. In other words, the same race/species, but a different people, nation, culture.

And that is certainly a very strong impression that is left when going through the Gilnean starter region.
There is all that talk about the rebels who try to overthrow the rightful king.
And then of course, the simple fact that Gilneas HAS a king of its own.

That's true but they are still human and that lore still applies to them. You do know people can have a differnt king and still be the same people/nation/culture right? it's all a matter of who you are talking too.

Anyway the stupid thing about the novels is that they put important lore in them that changes the game. A good game devloper knows that you should never put game breaking lore in a product most fans will not get you should allways put it in the game itself.

[Chimera]

^ Agreed, about the king part, i personally like that the books and game twist together but your right also in that it does turn off those who dont read the books.

When the humans were in their own nations, there was not one king but several. Greymane was a king. Llane was a king. Trollbane was a king. And whoever else there was mentioned in-game/in-novel that i cant remember. They were kings of their own lands and even though their lands might be gone, if their people, and themselves obviously, still live, they should still remain king over their people unless they've been overthrown or have stepped down. I will always see Greymane as a king of the Gilneans egardless of who's presence he's being shadow'd by

[cowmuflage]

^ Agreed, about the king part, i personally like that the books and game twist together but your right also in that it does turn off those who dont read the books.

When the humans were in their own nations, there was not one king but several. Greymane was a king. Llane was a king. Trollbane was a king. And whoever else there was mentioned in-game/in-novel that i cant remember. They were kings of their own lands and even though their lands might be gone, if their people, and themselves obviously, still live, they should still remain king over their people unless they've been overthrown or have stepped down. I will always see Greymane as a king of the Gilneans egardless of who's presence he's being shadow'd by

Don't get me I'm not saying greymanes not their king but Mr anger pants in Stormwind is the big leader man of every one now XD He's like a king of a king or some crap.

[Sukurachi]

That's true but they are still human and that lore still applies to them. You do know people can have a differnt king and still be the same people/nation/culture right? it's all a matter of who you are talking too.

No, technically, no.

Two peoples may be of the same species/race, but they can still have perfectly distinct cultures and be distinct peoples.

To use an "earthly" example: Italians and Swedes are both humans (a species). But they are NOT the same "nation", nor do they share a culture. They are not "one people".

It has not so much to do with WHO you are speaking to, as of WHOM you are speaking.

The Welsh and Scots are far closer as a "people", than, let us use the initial example I gave, the Swedes and the Italians.

Quibbling about semantics aside, the quests in Gilneas still leave a far stronger impression that Gilneans are a completely separate people from the humans of Stormwind. They may share a common ancestor, but there has been significant cultural divergence over the ages.

[cowmuflage]

That's true but they are still human and that lore still applies to them. You do know people can have a differnt king and still be the same people/nation/culture right? it's all a matter of who you are talking too.

No, technically, no.

Two peoples may be of the same species/race, but they can still have perfectly distinct cultures and be distinct peoples.

To use an "earthly" example: Italians and Swedes are both humans (a species). But they are NOT the same "nation", nor do they share a culture. They are not "one people".

It has not so much to do with WHO you are speaking to, as of WHOM you are speaking.

The Welsh and Scots are far closer as a "people", than, let us use the initial example I gave, the Swedes and the Italians.

Quibbling about semantics aside, the quests in Gilneas still leave a far stronger impression that Gilneans are a completely separate people from the humans of Stormwind. They may share a common ancestor, but there has been significant cultural divergence over the ages.

greymanes their king but he's got a king now he has to follow and he's in stormwind so NOW he's their king allso. they are slowly turning into a new people now as they are mixing.

[Sukurachi]

Sure, I understand that the Gilnean people have been subsumed into the larger "human" society and its political hierarchy.

That doesn't change what I said initially.

I would have liked to see the Gilneans actually GET their capital city back, and live there, instead of have them be social rejects, living on handouts from the Night Elves.

In the game, when you finish the Gilnean quest line, there is nothing really that tells you that you did NOT regain control of Gilneas. Suddenly they are loading you all on boats to Teldrassil. It comes as a surprise, considering you've just swept through the city, with a massive army, and basically taken it back!

I suspect that Blizzard was more preoccupied with the idea of NOT adding yet another capital city to the game, rather than satisfying some obscure lore (Blizzard have not exactly been known for their strict adherence to canon).

Had they added another capital city for the Gilneans, then the Goblins would have needed one as well... except that would have completely undone the entire "Kezan gets destroyed by a volcano" thing.

[cowmuflage]

Sure, I understand that the Gilnean people have been subsumed into the larger "human" society and its political hierarchy.

That doesn't change what I said initially.

I would have liked to see the Gilneans actually GET their capital city back, and live there, instead of have them be social rejects, living on handouts from the Night Elves.

Well thats the alliance for you. You let a bunch of humans who are scared of things that are not fully human rule and they will do that.

IF they let the worgen get their own capital city you would ahve to give the goblins theirs back and well you can't as it's proberly at the bottom of the sea now. i'd be unfair.

[Chimera]

Yea Varian is really annoying... trying to push himself around like its no ones buisness.

And agreed Suk, Greymane specifically cut Gilneas off from everyone during the first war to potect his people and his land, he was never in favor of alliances with the other humans even long before the war began, and he shut his doors those many long years ago when the orcs made it to the upper half of Eastern Kingdoms and everyone was forced to fend them off on their own. They've become even more different in culture from the isolation then they werre when they simply just tried to avoid the other kingdoms i feel and i rather like the contrast.

Its more appealing to know that not all the humans in the game were once/are alleged to Stormwind in some way and that they all seem to do the same thing, follow the same ruler, live the same kind of life, its so monotonous (greymane is the only last living king that was present during the first war i believe, except Varian but he was a wee child so we cant really get a feel for the other nations lifestyles cause their lands have changed dramatically with the deaths of their kings. I know Trollbane's son lives but he isnt ruling Arathi so it remains in shambles and Lorderan is under Forsaken control).

I also love that they gave Gilneans a different voice, it adds a little touch that makes them a tad more unique

(that took forever to type >.>)

[cowmuflage]

I also love that they gave Gilneans a different voice, it adds a little touch that makes them a tad more unique

It would be better if they did not get such bad voice actors to do it. They make me cringe every time it's so bad! How hard is it to get a real english person?

[Chimera]

XD That i do agree on, but its still nice that they gave them different voices, i run around with volume off all the time so i hardly ever hear the voices

[cowmuflage]

XD That i do agree on, but its still nice that they gave them different voices, i run around with volume off all the time so i hardly ever hear the voices

Yup it is. Would be a bit lazy if they just reused the voices

[Sukurachi]

I'm really addicted to that Worgen starter area...

I spent some time back Horde-side, working on some rep for my higher-level characters.. and decided to come back and add another pair of Worgen to my stable: a Priest and a Druid, this time. (I think all I'll be missing is Warrior and Rogue.. and there is NO chance in hell that I will make a Rogue)

It should be interesting... not only is the Alliance relatively foreign to me still, but playing a Druid will be as well. I'm hoping that this time through I WILL enjoy having a Druid (I had another one that I ended up leveling using Recruit-a-friend bonus levels.. so I never really learned how to play him, and then Blizz went and radically changed how Druids play!)