Gnome Hunters... Why Not?

[Anansi]

Ok I could explain and explain and explain till I am blue in the face but evidently I'm not going to be listened to :/


TLDR: Gnomes don't care about anything but machines. If they did accept in some long lost gnome civilization that had GIVEN UP TECH TO THE POINT to be able to be hunters... they would be shunned as much, if not more than leper gnomes. Because it's probably equivalent to a DK here Gnomewise.



TLDR again: Not every race can have every class available to PLAY.

Forget it, Ryai, this is Gnomeregan....


However, it's not quite true that Gnomes don't care about anything but machines, but they do have an affinity towards the complex and studious pursuits in life - magic and technology. Given the discoveries in Wrath, the Gnomes have turned an inward eye and are re-discovering the roots of their culture (they now have Priests), they are not looking to stray from their heritage at this point in their history. Hunting isn't part of that culture, they don't have a hunter/gatherer past, it's not in their mental genetics.

You can't compare the Blood Elf Rangers to Gnomish Riflemen at all. Blood Elves were once High Elves, a culture with a very strong Hunter culture. The Blood Elves simply adapted that to their Rangers. Gnomish Riflemen would be closer to Warriors, a class to which they do have access (remember, not only Hunters use guns) and guns are technological inventions, so of course Gnomes would make use of them. The Blood Elf Rangers use bows, a direct correlation to their High Elven past.

But yes, what it comes down to is that not all races can be all classes, and seriously, the Horde having access to one more class quantity than the Alliance is not going to, in any way shape or form, impact faction balance.

But I suspect the proponents of Gnome Hunters will continue to disregard logic and lore and filter things through a pro-Gnome Hunter lens. Ultimately, what some may want the Gnomes to be is not in fact what Blizzard intends the Gnomes to be.

[Teigan]

Maybe gnome hunters could tame mechanicals and golems!

[Epicfail]

Ok I could explain and explain and explain till I am blue in the face but evidently I'm not going to be listened to :/


TLDR: Gnomes don't care about anything but machines. If they did accept in some long lost gnome civilization that had GIVEN UP TECH TO THE POINT to be able to be hunters... they would be shunned as much, if not more than leper gnomes. Because it's probably equivalent to a DK here Gnomewise.



TLDR again: Not every race can have every class available to PLAY.

All due respect bud...

Tauren Paladins....

Yeah. Right when you get a good grip on the reality of Azeroth, Bliz fires a midget out of a cannon who breaks wind while simultaniously breaking the sound barrier and opens a portal in space time causing it to rain cinnimon toast crunch. Try not to take the lollore too seriously. The difference in what makes sense and what really happens in lore can cause a hole in your mind if you focus too much on it and then not even House can save you...

[Ryai]

Tauren Paladins....

Yes, tauren paladins. Not UD, not orc, not troll, not goblin.

Tauren- why? Because as they did explain it and there WAS Tauren Priest art, Tauren aren't following the holy light like other Paladins. This is basically because Taurens are about balance- Ergo, they have followers of the moon. There needs to be followers of the sun.

The difference in what makes sense and what really happens in lore can cause a hole in your mind if you focus too much on it and then not even House can save you...

Sorry but hands down Tauren Pallies make more sense than gnome hunters.

And besides- Orcs are happy without having priests. I don't hear them clamoring for a priest class.

Gnomes want hunters?

Fine, gimme Tauren mages and Orc Priests- then we can talk people.

[Anansi]

The new race-class combos in Cataclysm reflect the path the races are taking after changes and discoveries made during Wrath.

You can go to Thunderbluff now and overhear a conversation about why Tauren should be able to use the power of the Sun just as the Druids use the Moon. Tauren Paladins and Priests will draw on the Sun for their magic, rather than the holy light. This is a shift in their perspective, just as all races are having a shift in perspective thus reflected in their new class selections.

You can choose to ignore the lore in favour of trying to advocate your preferred race-class combo, but Blizzard do take the lore aspect quite seriously when making design decisions. Yes, they have broken and re-written lore, sometime on purpose, sometimes accidentally (the great Draenei lore fiasco was actually a mistake perpetrated by the head lore writer when he forgot what he'd already written), but the lore is integral.

[Mania]

Did you see Bornakk's response to a thread about gnome hunters?

This does sound interesting. I can see it as an event that coincides with Operation Gnomeregan. While the gnomes go to fight for their city, they need it as a refuge more than anything as everybody else (alliance races included) in the game will get a gold bounty for hunting down gnomes.

Also, you can't expect the race to overhaul themselves in one pass. It takes a lot of focus and gnomish might to heal so please understand the difficulties these people are going through to make it happen.

[Saturo]

Bornakk seems to take the term "Gnome Hunter" a bit too seriously...

[Anansi]

I am all for a Gnome Hunter as per Bornakk's definition!

So I revise my arguments against the Gnome Hunter. Please make Gnome Hunters a class.

[Rhyela]

To be quite honest, those who are strongly opposed to gnome hunters come across just as stubborn as those who are strongly for gnome hunters.

I think what we all need to remember is, this is Blizzard's game. They will do what they want with it. If they decide gnomes can be hunters, great! I'm sure they'll make lore to support it (because yes, lore can evolve in an ever-evolving world). If they don't make hunters available to gnomes, then that's fine, too.

I don't see the point of getting so fired up about one way or the other.

Personally, I'd still think it would be fun to have gnome hunters. Gnomes in general are tinkerers, yes, but there are exceptions, like dear ol' Breanni in the Magical Menagerie. Heck, she even sends you living, furry pets via in-game mail! Not quite the same as hunter pets, but they sure aren't mechanical squirrels. She even sells fun little accessories to pamper your companions with. I'd say that's a deviation from the norm, or shall I say, "gnorm"...*snort*.

[Ryai]

To be quite honest, those who are strongly opposed to gnome hunters come across just as stubborn as those who are strongly for gnome hunters.

I'm not getting fired up- maybe a bit annoyed but no, not fired up. And it's not that I'm stubborn- it's just in all cases Gnomes just don't have anything screaming 'hunter' about them nor their lore.


and also, Breanni the npc is based off a player O_o


Give me good reasoning and something good lore wise, and I may accept hunters being open to gnomes. No using Belves as an example, no going 'lol Blizz can just retcon for lore', a good, hands down example as to why a gnome would give up a life of tinkering and take up one with a companion when outside of player interaction, NPCs mostly focus inwardly and towards their own mechanical goals.


And if gnome hunters were introduced, tbh they would/should be shunned ingame by npcs like Deathknights are and trolls are to some belf vendors in Silvermoon/eversong woods. Cause I'm sick and tired of 'lulz open armz' that Alliance has. That's the only thing that'd make me partially accepting of them.

[Rhyela]

and also, Breanni the npc is based off a player O_o

How was I supposed to know that??? I'm a casual player, I don't know the hows and whys NPCs came into existence. X_x

Give me good reasoning and something good lore wise, and I may accept hunters being open to gnomes. No using Belves as an example, no going 'lol Blizz can just retcon for lore', a good, hands down example as to why a gnome would give up a life of tinkering and take up one with a companion when outside of player interaction, NPCs mostly focus inwardly and towards their own mechanical goals.

I'm not going to bother with that crap, because I don't give a hoot. I said I'm for it, that I would enjoy it, but I'm not going to bang on Blizz's door about it, nor will I draw up pie charts and spreadsheets and agonize over every drop of fact in some feeble attempt to "prove" why I have an opinion. Besides, quite honestly, whether or not gnomes ever get to be hunters is not really of any consequence to me. I much prefer night elves and orcs and such.

And as far as a "good, hands-down example of a gnome" blah blah blah, maybe because one would want to? Maybe in the huge world that is Warcraft, there is one single little gnome out there that might want to broaden his horizons, stretch the muscles of his or her brain and learn something new? Maybe this gnome has friends who are likewise curious about something other than their gear-driven world. Has it happened yet? No. Does that mean it never ever ever in a million billion trillion years can? No! Furthermore, and this really burns my biscuits, why do so many people demand facts when we're talking about fiction? O.o Why can nothing ever change? Why must gnomes always be the stale little cretins hiding in someone's basement like everyone tries to make them out to be? It's like some people are just afraid of change, afraid of something being different or new. I mean, people are STILL complaining about Draenei. Get over it! If you don't them, don't make one! Rawr!

And one thing I'm wondering is people aren't so vehemently opposed to worgen druids. These worgen started out as humans, who are not druidic in nature, not by a long shot. But just because now they have this curse suddenly gives them this druidic feely-goodness? I don't get it, but maybe I haven't pored over the lore like everyone else has. But guess what? It doesn't bother me! If humans (I mean, er, worgen) can now be druids, then hey, whatever. They can be hunters, so why not. Oh and I always thought humans were more inclined towards the Light and the arcane, but evidently now they're more naturey? I haven't seen any quests or in-game events/dialog thus far explaining how human hunters are coming into being like we've seen for the night elf mages and tauren paladins, but no one's complaining about human hunters. I'm straining my brain trying to think of a human that has been huntery, and all I can think of are some of Nesingwary's followers.

Bleh, I say, bleh!!!

I tire of this topic, it's getting too stuffy. I don't usually get this emotional or dramatic when I post but the direction this thread went just rubbed me the wrong way. I apologize.

[Mania]

I was tired of the topic some time ago ... *cough*

Different people have different opinions on this. The more passionate we are about a topic, the harder it is to read other people's tone accurately -- or at least that's how it works for me. So let's smooth our own feathers, assume that no one was trying to get anyone else ruffled, and ... err .. I'm out of bird metaphors. Anyway, you get the idea.

[Rhyela]

I was tired of the topic some time ago ... *cough*

Different people have different opinions on this. The more passionate we are about a topic, the harder it is to read other people's tone accurately -- or at least that's how it works for me. So let's smooth our own feathers, assume that no one was trying to get anyone else ruffled, and ... err .. I'm out of bird metaphors. Anyway, you get the idea.

And stop our clucking? Eh? EH??? Oh oh and do the Chicken Dance! (I know, that was bad. It's late and I've worked many hours today)

[Ryai]

Well then I'll do one last reply before we enrage Mania.

Anyways the 'Give me a reason' wasn't directed to you Rhy, it was in general to anyone who advocates getting gnome hunters.

Why must gnomes always be the stale little cretins hiding in someone's basement like everyone tries to make them out to be? It's like some people are just afraid of change, afraid of something being different or new. I mean, people are STILL complaining about Draenei. Get over it! If you don't them, don't make one! Rawr!

It's because as of yet there's not been a single WoW based [not player based :p] gnome that well has really cared about doing more than making inventions and blowing up their own town. I'm not afraid of change- I'm all for it. Once I learned Cata was going to be brought about sanely in phases and not lol one patch and blamo everything blew up, I didn't mind. But the fact is, they aren't wanting it gradually they want it instantly, for a gnome hunter. And as far as I've seen gnome lore... they really don't go that way for the majority of the race.

And I mean belf rangers [hunters and rogues] get slack from paladins as is atm, maybe not so much as before Keal'thas stole Mi'ru, but they still snub them.

But a gnome hunter would get even worse snubbing- or should. And if they didn't well that would burn my cheese.

And the reason we demand facts is, even if it's a work of fiction, it'd be like what Meyers did.

'Sparklepires and Humans can not breed' then suddenly, 'Sparklepires and Humans breed THE SPAWN OF SATAN SUE' *shot*

And one thing I'm wondering is people aren't so vehemently opposed to worgen druids. These worgen started out as humans, who are not druidic in nature, not by a long shot. But just because now they have this curse suddenly gives them this druidic feely-goodness? I don't get it, but maybe I haven't pored over the lore like everyone else has. But guess what? It doesn't bother me! If humans (I mean, er, worgen) can now be druids, then hey, whatever.

Again- lore. And quests. Scythe of Elune, Elune, a night elf, yada yada yada. And it could help curb the more violent tendancies of the worgen habbits.

Besides, Worgen druids atleast make more sense than Troll druids- do you know what they had to stretch and twist to make it seem possible for what would have been maybe marginally like a druid? X_x

as much as I complain if i do like their feral forms I will roll one /cough

Anyways a Troll Druid is alot like a Gnome Hunter that people want, it barely makes any sense. and the closest classes that they have to the respectable standings for playable classes, would, like Troll, have to be twisted and stretched so much it's just mind boggle.

I haven't seen any quests or in-game events/dialog thus far explaining how human hunters are coming into being like we've seen for the night elf mages and tauren paladins, but no one's complaining about human hunters. I'm straining my brain trying to think of a human that has been huntery, and all I can think of are some of Nesingwary's followers.

It's probably less hunter and more Beast Mastery/Ranger coming into play. IE Scarlets and their hounds, and the dude in EPL, the undead one, with his green Hyenas that everyone seems to drool over and want, are perfect examples of hunters without being hunters. If someone can bring up a gnome like this. I mean a gnome with a beast companion and there is more than just an odd gnome, alright, fine, I'll bite the bullet and swallow the bitter pill of gnome hunters. But the only pets I've seen with gnomes?

Mechanostriders.

>_>

[Rhyela]

I wasn't really intending to direct my rawrness at you, either. I have had a trying week and for whatever reason, this thread (not anyone specifically) just really brushed my fur the wrong way and I got all snippy about it. I just happened to quote you, so it looked that way. So, I apologize.

I honestly do understand what you're saying, and to an extent I agree. They'd have to introduce it over a period of time, not just drop it in our laps. I personally wasn't saying gnome hunters should be playable in Cataclysm, just that someday I wouldn't mind if it did happen. But, I kinda like gnomes anyway so I'm only a little biased. Something about the thought of a tiny gnome with a giant devilsaur pet is amusing.

Oh and I don't mean this in a mean way, but I giggled at "habbits", because I almost read it as "rabbits" ("violent tendencies of the worgen rabbits..." lol). It's late, and I'm seriously tired. Working almost 12 hours today FTL!

[Saturo]

But highelven hunters still doesn't make much sense. They are rangers, as in warriors focused in shooting with a bow. They don't have pets. Night elves have REAL hunters, they fight at range, with an animal companion. Blood Elves would most likely have used the high elven rangers as a class, since they sort of dislike the night elves after being banished.

Most blood elves wouldn't want to live with an animal, as lore and quests show. Most gnomes would rather be tinkering. Elves use bows, gnomes use guns. Simple as that. Gnomes can like animals, as Breanni has showed. (Yes, she's based on a real person, but that doesn't mean that blizzard didn't look at lore first. I'll just use the cult of the damned for an example here. Humans loathe the scourge. Yet some like them. Be that because of insanity/whatever, it's true, because it's in the lore. Personally, I'd love to play an inane gnome that decides that "hey... i dont like technology... ill go learn hunting from the dwarves!"

[Epicfail]

1 minute left on Mania's Enrage timer! Pop your cooldowns! MOAR DOTS! MOARRRRR!1212121313131

[Ryai]

But they're not high elven? They're blood elves? And besides remember, Hunters are basically rangers but we have a pet to keep the mobs off us, so we can shoot. We have no melee at all really and what little melee we do have, doesn't do jack squat. Then ofc you forget how the speccs are set up; Marksman is like the 'Ranger', SV is more like what Sylvanas does in the battle for UC, and BM is well BM.


The real problem or argument for hunter gnomes shouldn't boil down to 'Because Belves are hunters'- I glanced over their available classes and they include Scout/Ranger. Mean even humans have an RPG Marksman class. The class you should be using for a case for your argument?

Goblins- like Gnomes they do NOT have a scout/ranger class like I thought they would. Even Gnomes don't have scout/ranger, or assassin- meaning that it could be a lucky thing Gnomes can even be Rogues atm.

Tinker, Sapper, Steam warrior, Techno mage, Ace, Buccaneer, Bombardier, Potion doc (RPG); Gambler (TCG); Death knight, Hunter, Mage, Priest, Rogue, Shaman, Warrior, Warlock (WoW), Grunt, Bruiser

Character classes Mage, Rogue, Warlock, Warrior, Death knight (WoW); Priest (Cata); Tinker, Techno mage, Steam warrior, Ace, Bombardier, Gunman, Sapper, Archmage, Necromancer, Potion doc (RPG)

The only thing that makes me think could have been twisted for 'hunter' class for Goblin is Buccaneer as to a slight, SLIGHT extent it sounds like Survival. But even that is a stretch honestly.

And.


STOP DOTS

edit: how the hell did I typo hunter gnomes as goblin gnomes.

[Saturo]

And guess what blood elves are... Yup. Former High Elves, corrupted by demonic magic. It's the same ranger class, and it has nothing to do with pets. The rangers are warriors/rogues with bows. Gnomes have warriors/rogues with guns. The same arguments that can be used for non-Nelf hunters can be used for gnomes.

[Ryai]

And guess what blood elves are... Yup. Former High Elves, corrupted by demonic magic. It's the same ranger class, and it has nothing to do with pets. The rangers are warriors/rogues with bows. Gnomes have warriors/rogues with guns. The same arguments that can be used for non-Nelf hunters can be used for gnomes.

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ok I was even throwing you a line to use for gnome hunters, but if you're just gonna focus on beating a dead- or in this case, elven horse with a stick, then I guess I am done with this topic :/