Who do you think will be the new Horde Warchief?

[Meggers]

For orc...Saurfang. He's always been awesome and bamf. For non-orc...Vol'jin. Neither of the two have been dickheads and I've liked them despite not being horde for a couple(three?) years now.

[Makoes]

I'd love for Vol'jin to take over, the whole dialogue sequence doing troll starter quests between Vol'jin and Gorrosh was awsome. (atleast I think thats where I saw it...)

I dont like Sylvanas at all...I understand where she's coming from, but her methods are questionable. Her priorities are not to the hordes best interests.

I dont know much about Baine(?) or is it Cairne(?)...the newest tauren leader. I think he's still to much of a greenhorn to be a warchief.

Goblins would just turn the horde into a giant bazaar and burger joint

Never hear anything about the blood elf guy...I just assume he's a Xenophobe or just anti-social.

As for orcs...I'd vote Lumak! Living in the valley of honor and being extremely patient, he's got to be a good guy!

[Turgus]

I guess I might be in the minority but I think an Orc is not the right leader of the Horde after Gorrosh.

No other orc has really stepped up to the plate by showing initiative in trying to correct Gorroshs' mistakes, not Saurfang, nor anyone else. (At least I haven't seen it)
Sure Saurfang said a bunch of stuff back in RotK, but nothing that I have seen lately that accounts for much.

Personally the Horde got what they deserved because Thrall chose his successor not on what qualification Gorrosh had for the position but out of respect for his father and hope for what he could accomplish.
As for the idea that he was some sort of warrior or leader, please... the guy was a sniveling coward back in Nagrand.
The idea that THAT GUY became warchief still gets to me.

As for who should be warchief, I personally think Vol'jin or Sylvanas.
And I am leaning towards Sylvanas.

Baine is too inexperienced, and the Blood Elf guy.... where is he? I haven't seen him around doing anything important.

Both of them have been dealing with some serious issues as of late, Vol'jin creating a new homeland for the trolls and Sylvanas dealing with fighting a war with Gilneas with no help from the other members of the Horde while Gineas got help from the Alliance required her to do some things that appear questionable, but when you examine them she really didn't have a choice.
Those things she wouldn't have had to do if she would have gotten support from Horde.

Some people suggest that there are some lines that you shouldn't cross, and that she did so.

Comparing her to the Lich King is an obtuse examination of the totality of the events that have transpired.
One must examine them all together to really understand what she has done and why she has done them.

For that reason I believe that she would be the best person for the position.

She does what is necessary and required of the moment.
She lead a strike team trying to take on the Lich King herself.
I noticed that only one other "leader" attempted this and he perished. (almost instantly)
But she survived the encounter, and actually put up a pretty darn good fight too. (Of course she survived with "our" help).

The position would force her to look at things a bit differently than she is used to.
To consider the Horde in its totality instead of just her faction.
I think this would be a great opportunity for some real character development for Sylvanas and for the overall World of Warcraft plot to actually take a turn for the better.

[Vephriel]

And I am leaning towards Sylvanas.

Some people suggest that there are some lines that you shouldn't cross, and that she did so.

Comparing her to the Lich King is an obtuse examination of the totality of the events that have transpired.
One must examine them all together to really understand what she has done and why she has done them.

For that reason I believe that she would be the best person for the position.

She does what is necessary and required of the moment.
She lead a strike team trying to take on the Lich King herself.
I noticed that only one other "leader" attempted this and he perished. (almost instantly)
But she survived the encounter, and actually put up a pretty darn good fight too. (Of course she survived with "our" help).

The position would force her to look at things a bit differently than she is used to.
To consider the Horde in its totality instead of just her faction.
I think this would be a great opportunity for some real character development for Sylvanas and for the overall World of Warcraft plot to actually take a turn for the better.

Mmm, Warchief Sylvanas the Banshee Queen. <3 Has a nice ring to it. It probably won't happen, but I'll stand right by you with the wish for it regardless. She is the only leader I will ever follow.

[Royi]

What about that poor old Bloodelf guy? No one ever thinks of him!

Oh do you mean.... um what was his name again???

Bob! Thats it. Bob (there was some machima video with different wow-leaders on a quiz show, and thats what everyone else thought his name was)


I think Slyvannas would be the most interesting as a Warchief (plot wise, story wise, etc). There would be tons of neat avenues Blizz could explore with her taking on the reins of the horde. Perhaps an alienated Tauren race, etc.

I just hope its a non-Orc though. Change things up. Thrall and Aggra should move to a secluded place from the rest of society and then create a new Warcraft themed Sister-Wives show with Jaina joining them. (you know that's bound to happen)

[Chimera]

I'd def take Vol'jin as a logical leader. I dont think Baine is ready to take on such a challenge, especially after -just- losing his father not long ago. He's also inexperienced and the tauren race seems to be able to govern itself pretty well so its a great start for Baine, but i dont think he would get much respect from a lot from the warmongering orcs who follow Garrosh blindly or the undead or blood elves.

Sylvanas is while, my current favorite with Cairne now gone (will still forever be beside Sylvanas for most favorite leader ever), not Horde Warcheif material really, i fear Blizz is leading her down a very unsavory path and i fear for what their next few moves with her might be. But the orcs loathe her, everyone knows that she is in control of the plague, i cant imagine tauren like her either, and the trolls are probably indifferent. She doesnt have a whole lot of support from the other races.

Lor'themar, well, Blizz hasnt touched TBC content for years now except to move dungeon quest givers inside the dungeons. Thats why hes forgotten practically. He has absolutely no role inside the game (i know hes been in either books or comics tho, but i dont read the comics and im behind in the novels) other then to stand in Silvermoon with the status of Regent Lord. With the betrayal and now death of Kael'thas, he is now the actual leader of the blood elves but Blizz hasnt given him any roles.

Vol'jin is frankly the only person who has experience as warchief and wishes to see a brighter future for the horde. He doesnt pick unnecessary fights, he doesnt go on warpaths, he doesnt actively go out and sabotage anyone or become hellbent on revenge for anything illogical or if getting that revenge is illogical at the time. While many orcs may not like the idea of a troll leading them (orcs pretty much hate everyone except their own kind, but such is their nature) but the tauren would welcome them im sure, and i can see Sylvanas unwillingly welcome him as warchief, while the blood elves would be totally disgusted since they are utterly against troll-kind, but they are a minor when you consider the whole picture.

As for the case of Saurfang and Eitrigg... Saurfang is a warleader, a commander of armies, i dont believe, for all the wisdom he posesses, that he could govern such a diverse community. He lives and breathes orc culture and i just cant see him bringing the horde as a whole together. Eitrigg, hes a war veteran. He was a warrior in the war and to my knowledge, nothing more. He abandoned the old horde, lived alone, was recruited into the horde after the events surrounding Tirion and was given positions of minor power by the argent crusade to lead their operation in Zul'drak. In the horde, he was Thrall's right hand man because of his wisdom but he didnt have any notable power.

(This is all based on my knowledge and views of past and current lore and what i have done and seen in-game)

[Ëlfdragon]

Rexxar...I didn't even think of him! I loved him in WC3. And if I had to pick an Orc, I would pick him. Even though I doubt Blizz would pick him, becuase, like the Blood Elf guy, he hasn't had much exposure, I think would be a good word for it, in-game.

[Chimera]

Rexxar has already expressed though he doesnt want to be warchief or the hero of the horde anymore, he'll come to their aid, but hes going to remain unaffiliated

[Splaticus]

Even though I have to say I identify the most with the forsaken, Vol'jin would be who I would be screaming for to be warchief. And since the Trolls don't officially have their own city and have been sharing Org with the orcs since release it wouldn't be a stretch to have him being warchief unlike Sylvannas or Baine for the reason stated over and over again.

I had not heard yet they planned to "take down" Garrosh (which makes me so happy after being in love with Thrall for so long and finding this disappointing choice), but I am really excited in seeing how they bring the war back to Warcraft. I am not one to say the game has gone in a bad direction over the 7 1/2 years of playing, I rather enjoy it after logging in 20-30 hour raid weeks for years and being able to see the other side of things on the same server with people I bonded with being a server forums troll and after being horde for all those years has been nice. However to see that old animosity come back would be fantastic. There used to be no "oh I both sides", it was F**K YOU I'M HORDE or F**K YOU I'M ALLIANCE and I applaud them for trying to bring that a little of that back hopefully *crosses fingers*.

And LOL at that comment about the goblins turning the horde into a burger joint and bazaar. :p

[RHMakonea]

Vol'jin or Saurfang (if it has to be orc) Can't really think of any other orcs that could be eligible unless Thrall becomes Warchief again.

[Wain]

Saurfang would be an interesting choice. Since he lost his son to the Lich King and then Varian letting him come and take the body home I wonder if he might have a better relationship with the Alliance.

I actually wonder what they intend for the relationship between factions after this expansion. It seems like this xpac isn't about more escalation of hostility as much as the climactic culmination of it. Who knows what lies beyond?

[cowmuflage]

I don't really want full blowen peace between the to factions just becouse then things like PvP just don't fit You can't fight over things if your at peace XD

I vote Gorbad Ironclaw! He is the most infamous of all Orc Warbosses after all

[Kalliope]

Well, just like there are horde/alliance who are on peaceful terms during the war, there would be horde/alliance who fight during peacetime.

[cowmuflage]

Yeah I know but the BGs just I dunno don't feel like they'd work as well in peace time. They'd most likely try and do a more peacefull way of sorting things out. Now fighting over if Beer or Wine is better now that I can see happening

But I still vote Gorbad Ironclaw!

[Meggers]

She does what is necessary and required of the moment.

And that right there is why she wouldn't make a good overall leader. She doesn't think of the future.

[Turgus]

She does what is necessary and required of the moment.

And that right there is why she wouldn't make a good overall leader. She doesn't think of the future.

The two are not mutually exclusive, far from it in-fact.

I would argue that she both knew what the ramification were for her actions in Gilneas but was forced to use them regardless because of the huge losses to the country in fighting a war with absolutely no support from Gorrosh or the other members of the Horde.
She has always been a shrewd and calculated leader being ever careful in her use of tactics and strategy.
The one exception to this was her dealings with the Lich King, but even then she was careful to always have a backup plan.
In all of her engagements she has lead from the front putting herself in harms way, and leads by example.
Something all true leaders do.

Also, if she was the leader of the Horde I could guarantee that the "War" in "Warcraft" would most definitely be an interesting plot.
The current story line of her "following in the footsteps of the Lich King" is, in my opinion, a cop-out by Blizzard for not coming up with something better.

Vol'jin would also be a good leader, but I find him a bit less interesting than the Banshee Queen.

[Rower]

I hope Thrall. Or Baine! A tauren-led horde would be so sweet. Peace friends!

[Boven]

I hope Thrall. Or Baine! A tauren-led horde would be so sweet. Peace friends!

I would love to see Baine lead the Horde. However, I can see why Blizz really wouldn't want him there. Aside from him not being an Orc and not living in Org, a Baine-led Horde would be a lot less aggressive and likely be on the way to actual peace with the Alliance. That would probably not be popular with players and not good for business.

For those saying Baine lacks experience, you have to take into account that a lot of the canon is, unfortunately, introduced in the novels and short stories and isn't visible in game. Baine isn't young and wet behind the ears. He's been doing more than just standing around in Bloodhoof Village:

* He was there, fighting in the Emerald Nightmare and convinced the other Horde members to accept Varian Wrynn as the leader for the battle that took place there.

* He convinced Jaina Proudmoore to help finance his effort to reclaim Thunder Bluff from the Grimtotem.

* Gazlowe, the leader of Ratchet, actually gave Baine a discount on the zeppelins and armaments he needed to take back Thunder Bluff. A discount, from a Goblin.

* Anduin Wrynn liked Baine enough to give him Fearbreaker, the ancient Bronzbeard mace that had been given to him by Magni.

* Baine has put the needs of the Tauren and the Horde ahead of his own personal needs and desires more than once. He allowed Magatha Grimtotem to live and granted amnesty to any Grimtotem who would pledge their loyalty to him. He also declined to challenge Garrosh over his father's death, feeling the stability of the Horde was more important than revenge. (It should be noted that Baine is supposed to be pretty nearly as strong as Cairne was, so there's a good chance he could kick Garrosh's butt in a fight).

* Baine is portrayed as being calm, patient, and tolerant. He resorts to battle only as a last resort. The fella is a diplomat first and warrior second if he can help it.

Frankly, I kinda think Baine is one of, if not the, most qualified to lead the Horde.

[Royi]

I hope Thrall. Or Baine! A tauren-led horde would be so sweet. Peace friends!

I would love to see Baine lead the Horde. However, I can see why Blizz really wouldn't want him there. Aside from him not being an Orc and not living in Org, a Baine-led Horde would be a lot less aggressive and likely be on the way to actual peace with the Alliance. That would probably not be popular with players and not good for business.

For those saying Baine lacks experience, you have to take into account that a lot of the canon is, unfortunately, introduced in the novels and short stories and isn't visible in game. Baine isn't young and wet behind the ears. He's been doing more than just standing around in Bloodhoof Village:

* He was there, fighting in the Emerald Nightmare and convinced the other Horde members to accept Varian Wrynn as the leader for the battle that took place there.

* He convinced Jaina Proudmoore to help finance his effort to reclaim Thunder Bluff from the Grimtotem.

* Gazlowe, the leader of Ratchet, actually gave Baine a discount on the zeppelins and armaments he needed to take back Thunder Bluff. A discount, from a Goblin.

* Anduin Wrynn liked Baine enough to give him Fearbreaker, the ancient Bronzbeard mace that had been given to him by Magni.

* Baine has put the needs of the Tauren and the Horde ahead of his own personal needs and desires more than once. He allowed Magatha Grimtotem to live and granted amnesty to any Grimtotem who would pledge their loyalty to him. He also declined to challenge Garrosh over his father's death, feeling the stability of the Horde was more important than revenge. (It should be noted that Baine is supposed to be pretty nearly as strong as Cairne was, so there's a good chance he could kick Garrosh's butt in a fight).

* Baine is portrayed as being calm, patient, and tolerant. He resorts to battle only as a last resort. The fella is a diplomat first and warrior second if he can help it.

Frankly, I kinda think Baine is one of, if not the, most qualified to lead the Horde.

Well said, I kind of like Baine now too after you put it so nicely

[Wain]

Actually, I think all those points mean it's time Tauren moved to the Alliance! They're too nice for the Horde

Just kidding... I'm not trying to stir up anything