Glyph of Stampede?

[Maizou]

I didn't see a thread about this... someone posted about it on the forums, and a blue responded to it, and I'm curious about people's reactions to the blue post.

New Glyph of Stampede:

Your Stampede no longer summons pets from your stable, and instead uses copies of your current pet.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/5638007117

The design intent is that Stampede skips over any unusable pets (such as an exotic for a non-BM) hunter or any blank slots (in the case that maybe you left a hole in case you tame something interesting along the way). For any skipped slots, Stampede would just clone your current pet for that slot, so you would still always have 5 pets when you Stampede.

The idea of the glyph is that it would use the clone mechanic all the time. Theoretically, a hunter with only one pet would be wasting the glyph.

Now, if I had beta access, I would ask why Blizzard is STILL penalizing people for having a beast mastery offspec. If you're main spec, it's fine, but offspec, then you are forced to carry around 2-3 pets for buffs for your raid that MM/SV or SV/MM hunters aren't, and as such have much less space for bringing buffs with their main spec.

I'm at the point I'm going to continue MM/BM, but keep all my exotics in the stable. If my party/raid has an issue with me using a non-exotic when I'm BM, then they can bite me, or wait while I go back to town to swap pets.

I wonder why Blizzard is taking their time in spec-specific stable slots, or even re-adding the skill to remotely access our stables. I'd gladly take another hour long cooldown stable swapping. :S

I do enjoy the glyph will fill in the missing slots for people like me who carry around 4 pets a majority of the time in case I find a rare while farming, but other than that, this type of response from a blue actually infuriates me, as it shows that blizzard could care less that they continue to find ways to alienate hunters who choose to sub-spec beast mastery.

[GormanGhaste]

I'm trying to understand your complaint. Are you under the misapprehension that you'll need this glyph to have 5 pets show up when you Stampede?

[Rikaku]

I agree with GormanGhaste on this one.

Personally I don't see a problem at all with the glyph and don't get why that other thread is mentioning penalizing BM specs or whatever. Personally I think this is a great glyph (from how I understand it). It means I can continue to carry only 3-4 pets with me without losing dps on Stampede itself. Sounds like a win/win situation to me.

[Kalliope]

Thirded. This glyph enables you to bring whatever you want in your other active slots.

[GormanGhaste]

Everyone will get 5 pets with Stampede without the glyph, no matter what spec they are or how many pets they are carrying (or their exotic status). Blanks or unusable pets will be filled in with the current pet.

The only reason to use the Glyph of Stampede is if you only want 5 clones of your current pet appearing.

[Kalliope]

Oh right, because it was fixed. Derp moment; thanks Gorman.

So yeah, I understand even less what the complaint is here.

[Chimera]

Yea im with everyone else here.. its just.. the glyph is cloning your pet.. it has no impact on the gameplay, its purely visual, nothing more :/ Its like the mage cloning ability where they create 3 visages of themselves.

[Maizou]

The topic was mostly about stampede itself, not just the glyph. However, as the blue post about stampede was in the glyph thread, thought I'd title it the same so people could get the correlation.

Unless me and others are misinterpreting his post, the INTENT is for stampede to skip unusable pets, such as exotics as SV/MM, as well as blank spots, and clone your current pet instead. The glyph simply causes the cloning to occur with ALL pets, not just blank spots/unusable pets. As such, as I said, our again iss penalizing people with BM off spec. Unlike main spec our non BM hunters, we can'tuse the 5 pets we wish to with stampede unless we arecurrently BM our have all 5 as non exotic pets.

Does it impact performance? No. Does it mistreat BM off spec hunters and treat them differently and give them less customization because of how they choose to spec? Yes. I carry my 5 pets around because I like them. To have one of my non BM pets replace my worm during stampede is ridiculous and totally ruins my character, lore wise. I may not RP, but I still have a story for my character, and all of her pets.

You guys seem to be under the impression exotic pets will still be summoned with stampede as MM/SV. If that were the case, the others on the forums and I wouldn't be annoyed with stampede. (Having to carry 3 exotic pets around for buffs while SV/MM would still piss me off, but that's another thing) If it is currently summoning exotic pets as SV/MM with stampede in beta, this blue post pretty much just told you that it's a bug.

I apologize for grammar errors. I typed this on my phone, and autocorrect can be very annoying at times.

[Ziarre]

I don't see the problem. Exotic pets are only usable in BM spec, and this neatly fixes the problem of any exotics in your current five being unable to be summoned for Stampede...which could have been a real issue, mind you.

You guys seem to be under the impression exotic pets will still be summoned with stampede as MM/SV.

Actually, no, that's not our impression. Our impression is exactly as the blue post stated--but to clarify, say you're in MM or Surv and have a cat out. You also have a BM offspec with a devilsaur in one of your current five slots. You press Stampede. Where before the fix you would have gotten an error message when it tried to summon the devilsaur, it'll just make a second copy of the cat to 'fill in the blank.'

With the glyph, it skips the checking if you can summon the rest of your pets and just makes five cats.

[cowmuflage]

Five killer red vanilla crabs. I like it!

[Chimera]

Ohhh ok i understand now.. being MM main, only going BM reluctantly for the exotics for visual aspect only.. i wasnt even thinking about how exotics play into Stampede. So if you have a couple exotics in your Call pet, you dont get 5 pets using the stampede ability? You end up only getting 3? Now that i understand whats going on, i am confused as to why we arent allowed to use exotics in the Stampede since they are, to my knowledge, unable to be controlled. Summoned pets for the ability simply rush in, attack, fade away right? I cant fathom why blizz would restrict that. All pets have their own unique ability, none have any special perks for combat that make them better then the rest. They were made to be useful in different situations but none outclass eachother.

I dont particularly want to HAVE to glyph for something so simple as this.. i feel like i have no choice in the matter if i want to use stampede everytime its up. Irregardless of what -type- (prime, major, minor) the glyph is

[Vephriel]

No, you'll always have 5 pets in Stampede no matter what. You do not need the glyph at all, it is not a requirement. The glyph is only if you would like 5 of the same pet to appear.

What happens is if you have 2 exotic pets in your slots, but are not in BM, it will bring the other 3 out and then clone your active pet to fill in the other slots. You just won't see your exotic pets in Stampede.

So, hypothetical 5 pets that are with you:


Stampede, but you're not in BM spec, so they would come out like:


Glyph would just use your active pet, so Stampede would look like:

[GormanGhaste]

Oh I see, you wish to have all five specific pets for Stampede. The only way that would work would be if the Stampede pets were standardized--all did the same damage, no special abilities, etc. Which is actually the way I think it Should be, and it would make game balance of the ability much easier. And who knows? That may end up being how they decide to do it, nothing's final yet.

And Veph, if the wolf were your active pet, glyph-less you would get 3 wolves, a bat, and a crab.

[Vephriel]

Ah yes, edited.

[Chimera]

No, you'll always have 5 pets in Stampede no matter what. You do not need the glyph at all, it is not a requirement. The glyph is only if you would like 5 of the same pet to appear.

What happens is if you have 2 exotic pets in your slots, but are not in BM, it will bring the other 3 out and then clone your active pet to fill in the other slots. You just won't see your exotic pets in Stampede.

Ahhk, i got worried there, i dont know much about Stampede, the topics regarding it seem to have slipped away with new beta things coming out

[Rikaku]

No, you'll always have 5 pets in Stampede no matter what. You do not need the glyph at all, it is not a requirement. The glyph is only if you would like 5 of the same pet to appear.

What happens is if you have 2 exotic pets in your slots, but are not in BM, it will bring the other 3 out and then clone your active pet to fill in the other slots. You just won't see your exotic pets in Stampede.

So, hypothetical 5 pets that are with you:


Stampede, but you're not in BM spec, so they would come out like:



Glyph would just use your active pet, so Stampede would look like:

THANK YOU!

I don't even mean that sarcastically, it just genuinely cleared up Stampede for me.

Ok so I love this glyph even more. Now if I want 5 Loques or 5 ghost wolves, I don't have to go out and tame 4 more Loque'nahaks or something. Sweetness!

[Kalliope]

Hi. I'm an off-spec BM hunter. I go BM for my exotic pets, not the playstyle. If I want to see those pets, then I play BM.

I don't feel "cheated" by this setup for stampede. As long as I'm not getting gyped from using any pets (which was the case earlier in beta), then why should I get to see my pets in an off-spec? You can't get wolves as a shaman unless you're enhancement. Same basic principle.

*shrug* Just my take on it.

[Sesamee]

BM is my off spec too. If I'm in SV and use Stampede but have a couple BM pets in my active 5 I have no expectations that my exotic pets should appear. I think it's great that even if we have fewer than five pets on us we still get the full damage of stampede....without the glyph. That's a huge quality of life issue that Blizz thought about.

Now my only question is if Stampede is an X amount of damage spell regardless of which pets we have or if we will get more damage having 5 ferocity pets vs 5 tenacity pets or a mix of the pet specs.

[Kalliope]

I'd rather see growl be automatically turned off on the inactive pets, since it's a major pain to suddenly discover that one of your pets is dead in the stable when you go to swap them. Another quality of life change. <3

[Slickrock]

I love the Glyph. Now I don't need to go out and tame 5 Magri, or 5 sporebats of doom.