List of Black Market goodies

[Mindsprocket]

Re: Vendor pets on BMAH - Don't forget that these are faction specific. I guess if you're on a low pop server or a server with strong faction inbalance, the pets of the oposite faction may be impossible to get. The BMAH could fill that niche.

Selling an item on the BMAH does not affect its drop chances for you in ANY WAY WHATSOEVER. So no, it's not 'buying your hard work.' It's 'using their own hard work to purchase a high-dollar item.'

Yeah, people seem to underestimate the work (and RNG!) involved in the BMAH. First you have to pile up that money, which is as much of a grind as soloing an instance over and over. Then you have to wait for the item you want to show up, which is based on RNG. And then you have to actually win the auction, which also affects your money making, because you don't really know how much money you will need in total until the auction ends (an item first posted for 15k may spiral to 500k and more). And I guess you also lose when you can't be online when the auction ends, because then there's no way you can post the last bet. Really imo the whole thing will still be very complicated and stressful for everyone involved. So I'm not expecting WoW to suddenly be swarming with "easy mode" Ashes. And anyone that manages to win something like that on the BMAH will get as much congrats and respect from me as the people who farmed the drop because they worked their ass off too.

[Wain]

Has anyone confirmed whether the items are BoP or not? I guess the current status may not reflect what happens when it goes live anyway, but I'm curious.

If someone has the tenacity to save up that much gold I'm happy for them to be able to buy cool stuff. It's a lot of work. But I'm hoping the item will be bound to the buyer. Otherwise I fear the BMAH just being controlled by scalpers.

[GormanGhaste]

Re: Vendor pets on BMAH - Don't forget that these are faction specific. I guess if you're on a low pop server or a server with strong faction imbalance, the pets of the opposite faction may be impossible to get.

Actually, of the three vendor pets listed, only the Bombay Cat is faction-specific. These are still very common to find in the horde AH. But if they aren't on your server, and you don't have a friend who's willing to make an allie toon to put one on the neutral AH, and you don't have an empty character slot to make an allie toon to ask in trade for someone to put one on the neutral AH, then you could always go to WarcraftPets.com and ask pet collectors from your server for help. All of these are easier and so much cheaper than trying to catch an over-priced black market auction.

[Kalliope]

Re: Vendor pets on BMAH - Don't forget that these are faction specific. I guess if you're on a low pop server or a server with strong faction imbalance, the pets of the opposite faction may be impossible to get.

Actually, of the three vendor pets listed, only the Bombay Cat is faction-specific.

Eh? The Argent Tournament pets are all (with the exception of the wyrmling) faction-specific and purchased from vendors.

[Zangor]

i hope to god there is another way to obtain T3 replicas aside from this Auction house......seems pretty unfair because EVERYONE wanted it to be readded and it would only cator to those with ridiculous piles of gold.

[Kalliope]

i hope to god there is another way to obtain T3 replicas aside from this Auction house......seems pretty unfair because EVERYONE wanted it to be readded and it would only cator to those with ridiculous piles of gold.

The Darkmoon Faire already has T3 replicas.

[Meggers]

Even if it was the only current avenue, (Which Kalli pointed out that it isn't), I'm glad its a step in the right direction.

Now if we could just nudge them to start re-adding the retired mounts...

[GormanGhaste]

Actually, of the three vendor pets listed, only the Bombay Cat is faction-specific.

Eh? The Argent Tournament pets are all (with the exception of the wyrmling) faction-specific and purchased from vendors.

I should have been more specific. I meant the pets purchasable with gold, with no reputation requirement (the other two being the Siamese and the Obsidian Hatchling).

[Kalliope]

Actually, of the three vendor pets listed, only the Bombay Cat is faction-specific.

Eh? The Argent Tournament pets are all (with the exception of the wyrmling) faction-specific and purchased from vendors.

I should have been more specific. I meant the pets purchasable with gold, with no reputation requirement (the other two being the Siamese and the Obsidian Hatchling).

Ahh, nod - makes sense.

[PorrasouxRex]

Even if it was the only current avenue, (Which Kalli pointed out that it isn't), I'm glad its a step in the right direction.

Now if we could just nudge them to start re-adding the retired mounts...

Unless of course even someone in Blizzard has a "special cupcake" disorder over the retired mounts. Something like:

"HEEHEE I'M GOING TO SPEND THE REST OF MY FREE TIME ROAMING ORG ON A SHINY RARE MOUNT NOBODY CAN GET ANYMORE. TEEHEE"

In which case, we're screwed.

If it isn't already obvious, I hate them. I hate them for having it, and I hate them for passivily riding it around [because usually it's the only thing they friggin' ride] to be a goddamn showoff.

Or, to cut it to the chase: BANG BANG BANG BANG *Take Reins* NOW WHO IS THE SPECIAL ONE?HUH?!

Edit: My personal rage hasn't been calmed. So editing for more of BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG.

Overkill. Fatality.

[Acherontia]

This multiple-char-exalted-with-Zandalari player with no ZG mounts is still holding out hope for a tiger.

Some day.

Edit: Just a thought, but.... What are the chances that the BMAH will suddenly accept real money trades a la Diablo? /suspicion

[Chimera]

If it isn't already obvious, I hate them. I hate them for having it, and I hate them for passivily riding it around [because usually it's the only thing they friggin' ride] to be a goddamn showoff.

So... you hate that they put in the hard work that it required to acquire said retired mounts such as the black quiraj or the plagued/black proto's or happened to get to 60 and grind the gold necessary for the epic mounts that were armor-less before blizz reskinned the models with armor so they could be distinguished from the regular lvl 40 riding mounts?

And you hate that they feel proud of their accomplishment, to have been somewhere and done something that is extraordinary, as blizzard first desired it to be, and deemed worthy of being heftily rewarded for their grand feat? To take things to the next level and step up their game? To take on a challenge few could ever dream of partaking in and coming out on top?

And you hate that they ride said mounts because of the feeling of pride they have from achieving earlier said feats of strength and challenge and wish to ride it around for their own pleasure to continue on their own personal feeling of greatness which they keep to themselves rather then flaunt it all over trade chat or specifically harass people in cities by forcing their attention through means of spam whether it be /mountspecial, emotes, speech?

You hate them because they got a mount they are proud to own not just for how difficult it was to acquire but also because it might also fit their transmog and they might really love the colors or visual graphic and ride it around instead of other mounts because it feels like the 'one' to them, the one that they just have to use out of personal preference and not because they desire to invoke rage and jealousy in those who just happen to see them minding their own business on said amazing and grand mount?

[PorrasouxRex]

If it isn't already obvious, I hate them. I hate them for having it, and I hate them for passivily riding it around [because usually it's the only thing they friggin' ride] to be a goddamn showoff.

So... you hate that they put in the hard work that it required to acquire said retired mounts such as the black quiraj or the plagued/black proto's or happened to get to 60 and grind the gold necessary for the epic mounts that were armor-less before blizz reskinned the models with armor so they could be distinguished from the regular lvl 40 riding mounts?

And you hate that they feel proud of their accomplishment, to have been somewhere and done something that is extraordinary, as blizzard first desired it to be, and deemed worthy of being heftily rewarded for their grand feat? To take things to the next level and step up their game? To take on a challenge few could ever dream of partaking in and coming out on top?

And you hate that they ride said mounts because of the feeling of pride they have from achieving earlier said feats of strength and challenge and wish to ride it around for their own pleasure to continue on their own personal feeling of greatness which they keep to themselves rather then flaunt it all over trade chat or specifically harass people in cities by forcing their attention through means of spam whether it be /mountspecial, emotes, speech?

You hate them because they got a mount they are proud to own not just for how difficult it was to acquire but also because it might also fit their transmog and they might really love the colors or visual graphic and ride it around instead of other mounts because it feels like the 'one' to them, the one that they just have to use out of personal preference and not because they desire to invoke rage and jealousy in those who just happen to see them minding their own business on said amazing and grand mount?

No. I do not hate them for working hard for it. I do not hate them for the challanges they face. But here's the thing that makes that entire arguement invalid: So is everythng else in this game. Many other challanges are in this game, and many mounts and armor and items can be shown off as a title that says "I got this because I worked hard for it." THE ONLY reason people ride these mounts is not for the challanges they faced back in the day. But because these mounts ARE NO LONGER IN THE GAME.

Over several expansions and levels, new challanges and quests are created, and new adventures and grinding is made. There shouldn't be any reason why other challanges and victories can't be shown off. I respect those with Ashes of Al'ar or Onyxian Drake because they got those items THAT STILL EXIST. Not something flashed around while the person thinks he or she is some big gamer that throws around their ego like a moron. Believe me, I've met people like that. I've made a single hatred in my heart for those with retired mounts. The whole "I did challanges back in the day" Is an excuse so they can feel like the "cool kids" and hang on to it like it's the only thing that matters in the game then to feel unique. It's an invalid excuse. The challanges we have these days are TEN TIMES harder than back then. Vanilla didn't have heroic raids.

Nostalgia is what it is. People say "Oh but back then it felt so much more rewarding and hard" Yes, I remember 40 mans. Yes, I remember how hard it was to find people. Yes, Blizzard has systems now to make it more "simple" but the reason why people say that is because they have memories before technology kicked in and said "We now have ways to make this easier." It's like Pokemon. When they remember the days of Red and Blue, and then look at Black and White with disgust, is because they remember the past, and don't accept change. It is what it is. Don't like it? stop wasting your time with it.

All I'm saying is with WoW being so much more evolved then back in the day, people with these mounts are fighting against bringing them back because they don't want to lose that uniqueness, saying they'd quit over a "MOUNT" and create nostalgic excuses. Those days are long gone, now let other people enjoy their beauty and skins. And "breaking down and quitting" over mounts is pathetic in itself. I work just as hard killing Heroic Dragonsoul as somebody getting lucky with drops and rolls, or buying something before they upgraded it, or being in a special event. Times have changed, so let go of your "status symbol" if that's all you play the game for.

[Acherontia]

I do hope they re-release retired mounts--I love the old Arctic Wolf & Ivory Raptor, and I utterly hate RNG vs the Zandalari mounts, etc. I love the old white PvP mounts enough that I'd ride them if I had them, because they ARE gorgeous!

Like you said, PorrasouxRex, people like status symbols, they ride shiny mounts because they are status symbols. I think that keeping those mounts "retired" just for those people to retain the rareness is a bit lame for the rest of us (who joined later, or never got lucky with drops or whatever) but hating the people for having them in the first place is MAYBE a bit over the top

[Mindsprocket]

Actually, of the three vendor pets listed, only the Bombay Cat is faction-specific.

Eh? The Argent Tournament pets are all (with the exception of the wyrmling) faction-specific and purchased from vendors.

I should have been more specific. I meant the pets purchasable with gold, with no reputation requirement (the other two being the Siamese and the Obsidian Hatchling).

I thought of the Argent pets when I wrote my comment, though, because some previous comment mentioned them as too easy to get to be put on the BMAH. Though I agree with you that something like the Obsidian Hatchling - that anyone can get for little gold with no prerequisite - doesen't make sense. But beta is beta, so there's a chance those were put there by accident.



@PorrasouxRex: You seem to be overreacting a little. Not everyone who has a retired mount is against Blizz bringing them back. So there's no need to hate them all just because they have them and ride them. So what if they don't ride anything else? I, too, always have favourite mounts for my characters. My troll hasn't been riding anything but my Sen'jin raptor and my Red Drake for years. Not everyone collects mounts and alternates through them every couple minutes. A lot of people get the one mount they like and stick to it.

If you had the Zulian Tiger wouldn't you ride it? Isn't being able to ride it the reason why people bother with the RNG? Would you refrain from ever riding it so that you don't offend people that don't have that mount? I doubt it. I also think that "hate" is a rather strong word for this situation. You think it's silly that people would quit the game over a mount? I think it's even more silly to "hate" others just because they have something you don't, especially if it's something as trivial as a virtual mount in a video game.

[Ziarre]

Real money for items isn't happening unless it's through the Blizzard Store or paying for a TCG card.

Now...I ride whatever my favored mount is at the time because I love it. Yes, most of those are rare. I worked my butt off to get above 100, I'm going to show the shiny specials I worked for!

Does it mean I'm against retired mounts being re-implemented? Depends on the mount. Achievement-bound mounts should stay bound to their achievement, and Black Qiraji is the only legendary of its kind--and they don't just make legendaries widely available. I don't have either Naxx protodrake, nor do I have a Black Qiraji (though I make *w* eyes at the ones that do). But I do respect the source.

[Wain]

I do hope they re-release retired mounts--I love the old Arctic Wolf & Ivory Raptor, and I utterly hate RNG vs the Zandalari mounts, etc. I love the old white PvP mounts enough that I'd ride them if I had them, because they ARE gorgeous!
Like you said, PorrasouxRex, people like status symbols, they ride shiny mounts because they are status symbols. I think that keeping those mounts "retired" just for those people to retain the rareness is a bit lame for the rest of us (who joined later, or never got lucky with drops or whatever) but hating the people for having them in the first place is MAYBE a bit over the top

I'd say that someone who spends all their play time doing nothing more than lounging about in the most populated spot to show off some rare mount is an attention whore and would most likely LOVE to know that someone hated them for it. Jealousy is often what they crave. The only thing you can really do is just dismiss them as tacky and go about your business as if they're not there. If they're affecting you then it's probably working the way they want. Just like any overt display of wealth just for the sake of saying "I'm rich!", it's nothing more than tacky

[Meggers]

I don't expect any sort of RMAH with blizzard in wow, they had way too much of a lashing with it in Diablo 3. (Seriously just go read the forums, they're handling it SO SO POORLY!).

For one, they give you an option to tie your RMAH funds to a paypal account, then state int he TOS that you are not to use the RMAH as an "investment vehicle" aka make money off of it. They've banned so many people that were legitimately selling drops they got in the RMAH that have been making "too much" off of it. (They've also banned upsellers but tbqh i think the whole thing is a fiasco)

[Equeon]

If it isn't already obvious, I hate them. I hate them for having it, and I hate them for passivily riding it around [because usually it's the only thing they friggin' ride] to be a goddamn showoff.

So... you hate that they put in the hard work that it required to acquire said retired mounts such as the black quiraj or the plagued/black proto's or happened to get to 60 and grind the gold necessary for the epic mounts that were armor-less before blizz reskinned the models with armor so they could be distinguished from the regular lvl 40 riding mounts?

And you hate that they feel proud of their accomplishment, to have been somewhere and done something that is extraordinary, as blizzard first desired it to be, and deemed worthy of being heftily rewarded for their grand feat? To take things to the next level and step up their game? To take on a challenge few could ever dream of partaking in and coming out on top?

And you hate that they ride said mounts because of the feeling of pride they have from achieving earlier said feats of strength and challenge and wish to ride it around for their own pleasure to continue on their own personal feeling of greatness which they keep to themselves rather then flaunt it all over trade chat or specifically harass people in cities by forcing their attention through means of spam whether it be /mountspecial, emotes, speech?

You hate them because they got a mount they are proud to own not just for how difficult it was to acquire but also because it might also fit their transmog and they might really love the colors or visual graphic and ride it around instead of other mounts because it feels like the 'one' to them, the one that they just have to use out of personal preference and not because they desire to invoke rage and jealousy in those who just happen to see them minding their own business on said amazing and grand mount?

No. I do not hate them for working hard for it. I do not hate them for the challanges they face. But here's the thing that makes that entire arguement invalid: So is everythng else in this game. Many other challanges are in this game, and many mounts and armor and items can be shown off as a title that says "I got this because I worked hard for it." THE ONLY reason people ride these mounts is not for the challanges they faced back in the day. But because these mounts ARE NO LONGER IN THE GAME.

Over several expansions and levels, new challanges and quests are created, and new adventures and grinding is made. There shouldn't be any reason why other challanges and victories can't be shown off. I respect those with Ashes of Al'ar or Onyxian Drake because they got those items THAT STILL EXIST. Not something flashed around while the person thinks he or she is some big gamer that throws around their ego like a moron. Believe me, I've met people like that. I've made a single hatred in my heart for those with retired mounts. The whole "I did challanges back in the day" Is an excuse so they can feel like the "cool kids" and hang on to it like it's the only thing that matters in the game then to feel unique. It's an invalid excuse. The challanges we have these days are TEN TIMES harder than back then. Vanilla didn't have heroic raids.

Nostalgia is what it is. People say "Oh but back then it felt so much more rewarding and hard" Yes, I remember 40 mans. Yes, I remember how hard it was to find people. Yes, Blizzard has systems now to make it more "simple" but the reason why people say that is because they have memories before technology kicked in and said "We now have ways to make this easier." It's like Pokemon. When they remember the days of Red and Blue, and then look at Black and White with disgust, is because they remember the past, and don't accept change. It is what it is. Don't like it? stop wasting your time with it.

All I'm saying is with WoW being so much more evolved then back in the day, people with these mounts are fighting against bringing them back because they don't want to lose that uniqueness, saying they'd quit over a "MOUNT" and create nostalgic excuses. Those days are long gone, now let other people enjoy their beauty and skins. And "breaking down and quitting" over mounts is pathetic in itself. I work just as hard killing Heroic Dragonsoul as somebody getting lucky with drops and rolls, or buying something before they upgraded it, or being in a special event. Times have changed, so let go of your "status symbol" if that's all you play the game for.

My favorite mount at the moment is my Red Proto-drake. Let's just say I joined the game earlier and amongst all of my Naxxramas runs, I got the Glory of the Raider achievement and got the Black Proto-drake. I really, really like that color scheme as well; so if I enjoyed it by using it as my most frequent mount, you'd think I'm solely doing it for showing it off? No, it's because I like the mount!

[Qraljar]

Sure is black and white in here.