Glyph of Camouflage - TOO transparent?

[Maizou]

So, I'm wondering if I'm the only one who's been experiencing this on beta, maybe it's my crappy graphics card or something?

Now, my issue is this:

Regular:



Without Glyph: (You can make me out, and my pet is quite clearly there)



And now with the Glyph: (I can barely see myself in game, and my pet pretty much completely disappears)



So, am I the only one who thinks it should be toned down? I made a post on the official forums a bit ago, but no one even commented on it, so I'm posting here in hopes of someone clarifying if it's just my graphics card or something.

I just fear if this is indeed how it looks, everyone's going to go crazy on the PvP forums because they can't see the hunters even after they have discovered them (heard the stealth sound).

Obviously, the shadows are still there... but in some bgs like WSG, and some arenas like the Dalaran Sewers, that wouldn't really help. Don't get me wrong, I like that we can stealth now, what I have an issue with is the fact I can't even see myself in the game when I have it on, unless I'm on ground where my shadow is very noticeable.

Oh, and just a bonus pic, since I saw someone a while back ask about how the Stoneshatter looks sheathed: XD (With a normal crossbow for comparison) I couldn't find their post to respond to it there.

[zedxrgal]

*cough* What wolf? I see no wolf.

That is from live.

But ............... pretty cool. I say leave it!!

[Slickrock]

To be blunt, yes, it is your crappy graphics card!!! (or the settings you currently have set.

I just checked on Beta, and non-glyphed looks exactly the same as on live. EXACTLY.

Furthermore, the glyphed version is supposed to provide better stealth, like what a rogue has.

I swear, if we get something else watered down because hunters who don't research things first ask for nerfs on the forums, I'll quit this damn game.

Non-glyphed...

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PLEASE don't ask for unecessary nerfs, especially when they finally made something useful!!!

[Chimera]

I swear, if we get something else watered down because hunters who don't research things first ask for nerfs on the forums, I'll quit this damn game.

PLEASE don't ask for unecessary nerfs, especially when they finally made something useful!!!

Whoa i hope your comment there isnt against her, cause she is not in ANY way shape or form asking for the spell to be changed in ANY way except for visibility so she can control her character better and not careen off a ledge or into a group of adds cause she couldnt see where she was. And caps was extremely unneccesary in your bluntness.

[Slickrock]

I swear, if we get something else watered down because hunters who don't research things first ask for nerfs on the forums, I'll quit this damn game.

PLEASE don't ask for unecessary nerfs, especially when they finally made something useful!!!

Whoa i hope your comment there isnt against her, cause she is not in ANY way shape or form asking for the spell to be changed in ANY way except for visibility so she can control her character better and not careen off a ledge or into a group of adds cause she couldnt see where she was. And caps was extremely unneccesary in your bluntness.

I've ammended the caps, but after the stampede fiasco, it's clear we hunters are our own worst enemy. I'm fine with posting here and asking questions first, but to start a thread on the beta forums saying Camo is OP is not what we need, especially when non-glyphed hasn't changed.

[Maizou]

I swear, if we get something else watered down because hunters who don't research things first ask for nerfs on the forums, I'll quit this damn game.

PLEASE don't ask for unecessary nerfs, especially when they finally made something useful!!!

Whoa i hope your comment there isnt against her, cause she is not in ANY way shape or form asking for the spell to be changed in ANY way except for visibility so she can control her character better and not careen off a ledge or into a group of adds cause she couldnt see where she was. And caps was extremely unneccesary in your bluntness.

I've ammended the caps, but after the stampede fiasco, it's clear we hunters are our own worst enemy. I'm fine with posting here and asking questions first, but to start a thread on the beta forums saying Camo is OP is not what we need, especially when non-glyphed hasn't changed.

Stampede was not nerfed.

It's burst was nerfed, but it was not nerfed.

It's lowered cooldown and extended duration amounts to the same amount of damage/dps over time that the old stampede did.

And you were the one telling me I didn't research anything? >_>

My thread on beta was asking about the visibility of camo. I'm not sure why you think that's asking for it to be nerfed. Really now.

[Slickrock]

Yes, it was a burst nerf, AND a dps nerf in certain fights. (If you loose burst, and your pets have to be on-target longer, that can be a dps loss).

My main point is, ask here first... and to your point about PVP opponents crying about it, that's why the original Camo was nerfed to uselessness. We finally got a version back that is useful, and the rogues are not happy. Let's not give them ammo.

[Maizou]

Yes, it was a burst nerf, AND a dps nerf in certain fights. (If you loose burst, and your pets have to be on-target longer, that can be a dps loss).

My main point is, ask here first... and to your point about PVP opponents crying about it, that's why the original Camo was nerfed to uselessness. We finally got a version back that is useful, and the rogues are not happy. Let's not give them ammo.

I did not mention the PvP thing on the beta forums, actually. I'm not dumb enough to do that.

The post was simply asking if the transparency was a little too much.

The rogues are too busy complaining about the fact we see them before they see us because of track hidden. Lol. THey've been doing that for months. ._.

[Kalliope]

So much anger....please tone that down. :/

I agree that the hunter should not be seeing nothing, even on lower graphical settings, for the above-mentioned reasons. This has no bearing on what anyone else sees (though really, I don't think ANY stealther should remain invisible after being discovered on certain graphical settings). Blizzard wanted to give us real stealth, but at 50% movement speed (which rogues no longer have to deal with, so they can quit complaining).

Just my two cents.

[Slickrock]

I apologize for the anger, but that doesn't diminish the issue that hunters are our own worst enemy in regards to getting nerfed based on feedback in the forums (see stampede). Either it's PVP hunters complaining that talents don't work for them (so they get neutered for PVE as a result), or we are so afraid of the nerf stick that we ask for it beforehand (we've had numerous posts here along the lines of "better to have it nerfed now than be possibly nerfed later", basically asking to be weak in order to avoid the preying eyes of GC later).

Regarding the graphics card issue, there are plenty of things that don't show well at the lowest settings. Lots of fire on the ground or other stuff that is detrimental to gameplay.

From the player perspective, Camo really doesn't need to display less if you are glyphed, so they could change that.

But as they upgrade WoW, there are going to be more problems with older graphics cards.. upgrades are in order. (I had to upgrade mine to be able to play D3 at all...)

[Kalliope]

But as they upgrade WoW, there are going to be more problems with older graphics cards.. upgrades are in order. (I had to upgrade mine to be able to play D3 at all...)

Yup. But that doesn't change the fact that Blizzard needs feedback on what does and doesn't display on their end. They can choose to leave it or not as they wish.

[GormanGhaste]

Slickrock, should we PM our beta forum posts to you for pre-approval, or did you want to start a special thread to expedite the process?

[Slickrock]

Slickrock, should we PM our beta forum posts to you for pre-approval, or did you want to start a special thread to expedite the process?

Real nice....

I guess I am just a jerk who should be banned from the forums. Since my opinions obviously aren't wanted. (Edit: apparently I can't delete my account myself. Oh well).

[Sasrei]

Good grief guys calm down, I understand both views I think alot of hunters are a lil paronoid with saying anything about nerfing on the forums as blizzard can really slam that nerf bat hard ... but being to OP would just mean HELLO NERF BAT to.

[Galaxy]

no matter how hypersensitive you are to the topic, always address the issue presented, not the person less chance of anger getting involved

I am a FPS junkie so my graphics are just high enough to raid, so I feel the OP on this one. If we cannot see the character at all, that's not a problem being OP, that's a functional problem. Rogues see themselves despite others not seeing them, right? At least, I seem to remember this being the case. It's been EONS since I played a rogue and I only got her up to level 30ish.

It's my view that you should ALWAYS be able to see yourself fairly clearly, no matter the card or the settings. After all, WoW won't work if the card/computer is outdated enough. So, I guess I'm saying, if it works, it should work?

[Wain]

Just.... oh dear gods. Locked.