How I feel about MoP tameable "rares"

[PorrasouxRex]

Think of it this way: Blizzard adds several NPCs, skins, and looks every expansion or patch. There will always be a skin found of an NPC not added into the game. Example: Skoll. We had two other looks I believe found with different versions. We have one that is actually not a SB, but a wolf. What I mean is anytime Blizzard adds a tameable beast, there will ALWAYS be a different skin to go along with it. With Blizzard tradition, there was always a rare that really stood out. Now we're going to make rares just a simple different color?

Whoever at Blizzard worked on hunter pet tameables was a genius from Wotlk up until Firelands. I don't think any hunter here doesn't understand what I mean by that.

Several popular rares have appeared that have made it to be many hunter icons, and symbols.

Wotlk and Cata Spirit Beasts, From Loque to the Firelands.
Loque: Mate of a God. Look at his skin. It's amazing looking. With the face and body.
Skoll: Lightning blue wolf. Look at it. It's awesome. Rare worthy.
King Krush (He's a green T-rex. AKA Jurassic Park. It's a great rare for that purpose.)
Terrorpene: Fire turtle. Effects on the mouth and nose. Amazing look.
Sambas: Alliance Lion, best looking lion compared to in-game ones.
Karoma: Retired Wolf spirit guide. Amazing.
Ashtail: Beautiful fox, unique looking with the coloration and eyes.
Skarr: Cat with unique stone guardian look with lazer red eyes. Badass.

Do you see where I'm coming from here? Rares of our past had features that made them stand out from common-looking skins. Now we're making rares because they are "Colors not available in the game?" Take a look at that list above. Even though King Krush or Ashtail may be re-colors, atleast they have appearences that make up for that. Green T-rex, Azure Fox. Now let's see....WE HAVE A BLUE GOAT......

.....Yeah. You figure that out for yourself.

[Sigrah]

To be honest, it doesn't bother me that they aren't putting in unique skins at the start this time around. I'm pretty happy with the 25 I have in my stables currently, and I'm already dreading having to cut one to make room for a Quilen. It'll also be nice to not have to worry about camping that rare everyone else wants at the start as well. I still remember all the bitching and flaming I got from rival Hunters because I beat them to taming one rare or another in Cata.

[Gimlion]

I'm certainly sorry that you feel this way, but I have to almost entirely disagree.

Loque: Re-used skin, made tamable simply because they thought it'd make a nice addition to pets. The fact still stands that it was only in because of his Loa mate anyways.

Skoll: This wolf uses an emaciated, mangy looking wolf skin, and adds flare to it. Now, I love the skin, but it's still a "Re-Skin"

KK: You're reasoning is completely hypocritical here. KK is a rare simply to add the last color in-game.

Terror: Also another re-skin with a touch of extra effects. This time with 3 other mobs using the exact same skin

Sambas: Mount that got made tamable. Also, you're opinion that he is the best lion, is an opinion. I think he looks dumb, and much prefer Humar

Karoma: Old skin that's been tamable before, put in for those who missed the chance. His skin is nice, but it's not unique, as it is also used by shammies

Ashtail: Again, hypocrisy, skin put in just to make the last skin used and to make another rare.

Skarr: In game as a quest skin the xpac before, nice skin, but isn't "unique" anymore, with the adding of Emerald Gem cats.

Now, let's also look to all the rares you ignored, because they provide the best argument to your case.

Humar: Reskin of old world lions, put in simply because he was a different color.

Rak'Shiri: SAME

MOST OTHER OLD WORLD RARES: SAME

Aotona: Only tamable parrot for some time, no-longer a unique model, thus doesn't fit your argument

Nuramoc: Same as Humar

Karkin: Slightly different looking crab, nothing special enough for you to use.

Icehorn: Ordinary rhino

Maddexx: Once a great, and difficult to find pet, if you were picky on colors. Now almost all colors are becoming common, and no longer applies for you.

Jadefang: Same as Humar

Firespiders: These, were implemented for Firelands, and became tamable along the way. 2 are still entirely unique. Probably you're greatest arguing point, and you left it out.

Banny: Bigger SB version of Olm

Rest of the SBs: Translucent copies of other skins.

Do you see how flawed your argument is? I'm not saying that by any means, you are not entitled to your own opinion, but thrusting it upon others, and expecting them to completely agree, is where we drew the line in the other thread. Blizzard has been using unused skins for rares since vanilla, and expecting anything different is just silly.

[Ziarre]

Karoma, Krush, Skarr, Ashtail are all reskins of their models (and that's only naming the ones you did). The same thing as what we're seeing with the Mists of Pandaria rares--and before you say they don't stand out, they stand out by virtue of being different. I'm not seeing the logic in this complaint.

Posting this anyways, though Gimlion went above and beyond because he's not as lazy as I am.

[Kalliope]

I think Gim meant to say that Nuramoc is just a recolor of the Outland chimaeras and Pitch is just Humar.

[Gimlion]

I think Gim meant to say that Nuramoc is just a recolor of the Outland chimaeras and Pitch is just Humar.

"Same as Humar" means that it's just another unused skin that got put in to flesh out families and use up all created skins. This applies to alot of old-world rares, as well as Nuramoc and Humar (even before Pitch), AND many recent rares, such as the gemini cats and Karkin.

[Kalliope]

I think Gim meant to say that Nuramoc is just a recolor of the Outland chimaeras and Pitch is just Humar.

"Same as Humar" means that it's just another unused skin that got put in to flesh out families and use up all created skins. This applies to alot of old-world rares, as well as Nuramoc and Humar (even before Pitch), AND many recent rares, such as the gemini cats and Karkin.

Oh sorry, I misread!

But yeah, you're absolutely right. This has been done many many times already and not just in recent history.

[SpiritBinder]

I'd like to make a relevant comment about how I feel about Mop tamable rares... But I'm sorry, there are no tameable "rares" in MOP... they are just elites.
So, yeah. You figure that out for yourself.

[Gimlion]

I'd like to make a relevant comment about how I feel about Mop tamable rares... But I'm sorry, there are no tameable "rares" in MOP... they are just elites.
So, yeah. You figure that out for yourself.

Technically, yes, this is correct. But, I'm going to assume the actual rares are the tracks, and that come live, they'll be much less likely to appear.

Edit: No worries Kalli, just clarifying myself, I see how it could be a bit confusing.

[Kalliope]

I'd like to make a relevant comment about how I feel about Mop tamable rares... But I'm sorry, there are no tameable "rares" in MOP... they are just elites.
So, yeah. You figure that out for yourself.

Technically, yes, this is correct. But, I'm going to assume the actual rares are the tracks, and that come live, they'll be much less likely to appear.

It's all sorts of technicalities, really. Some people don't view the rare parrots in Deadmines as rare because they lack the silver dragon.

But that's just labels anyway.

[Gimlion]

Absolutely. And honestly, I've never enjoyed unique rares anyways. I feel like I see them too often. I'll tame a skin I like, and if I happen to have to camp for it, so be it.

[PorrasouxRex]

Say what you want about the fact that Blizzard has always made re-colors and reskins of existing models. But like I said in the title, it is entirely opinion based.

Think of it this way: "Hey, we made an interesting looking beast, or beast-looking NPC. Let's make it into a hunter pet"

Examples: Loque's mate, Terrorpene's fire turtles in Firelands. Sambas and Madexx for the Faction mounts. Retired Spirit Guide.

I was not pointing out rares behind Wotlk for the reason of Spirit Beasts and exotics in general. I just feel Blizzard was going along a pattern of rares. People see Loque, Skoll, King Krush, Nuramoc in city all the time. Do you think they'll look at the newest skins like these and think "Oh, that's a rare?" It's just that from Wotlk to Firelands, I feel rares had a sort of flavor. Something that made a rare, a rare. The effects, or similiarities with an untameable NPC.

Perhaps it's because of my disappointment with the new families, and the fact right now they are making the "rare" hunter pets for MoP entirely based on them alone.

And yes Draven, I understand they aren't listed "rare" on their actual names. Reason I put the "'s on that word. But from what my understanding that was by the post, this is how the rare beasts will be done as.

[Chimera]

Honestly, the whole argument is invalid in all shape and form because we have no tameable rares in MoP yet. We dont even have rare beasts yet. Threads like this would have a much bigger impact and be more opinion based rather then throwing argument around when we finally see the rare beasts that Blizz has to offer us. People are jumping to conclusions way too fast. Jumping infront of the gun isnt going to get anyone anywhere.

Ala quote Spirit from earlier on this page:

I'd like to make a relevant comment about how I feel about Mop tamable rares... But I'm sorry, there are no tameable "rares" in MOP... they are just elites.

[Slickrock]

Absolutely. And honestly, I've never enjoyed unique rares anyways. I feel like I see them too often. I'll tame a skin I like, and if I happen to have to camp for it, so be it.

And thus you go out of your way to tear down the OP's viewpoint, even if you are quite wrong on several. Way to go. It's clear that you will be much happier if they don't exist at all, despite what they mean to other hunters.

And Loq was certainly an unique pet, and still is. Skoll was certainly unique, even if the model was used someplace else. Because the skin is used on a non-beast NPC, or the model is used with a very different skin doesn't make it less special.

Even I don't expect unique models...

All that aside...

It does seem that the effort this time is going into the NPC rares. We'll likely get something late, but due to the griping and moaning, I don't think we'll get anything like what we have in the past. I think Blizz is moving in a different direction.

[SpiritBinder]

And thus you go out of your way to tear down the OP's viewpoint, even if you are quite wrong on several. Way to go. It's clear that you will be much happier if they don't exist at all, despite what they mean to other hunters.

And Loq was certainly an unique pet, and still is. Skoll was certainly unique, even if the model was used someplace else. Because the skin is used on a non-beast NPC, or the model is used with a very different skin doesn't make it less special.

Even I don't expect unique models...

All that aside...

It does seem that the effort this time is going into the NPC rares. We'll likely get something late, but due to the griping and moaning, I don't think we'll get anything like what we have in the past. I think Blizz is moving in a different direction.

And thus you go out of your way to tear down the Other Posters viewpoints, even if you are quite wrong on several. Way to go.

Wait, I take that back, it came across a rather rude... don't you think?

Just be aware, that if one is going to make a post, that is very passionate and very directed in one way or another, others will reply to it, and with just as much passion and in an equally directed way. Though these replies can be the opposite to yours. Please don't be surprised by this, this is, after all, the vibe of the thread created here.

And all others posting need to be aware of this, as more passion and more opinions are added, we should try not make our replies not to personally aimed.

[Ziarre]

The MoP "rares" are no different than Krush or Ashtail. That's not an opinion, rather it's a simple statement of fact. Krush and Ashtail were unused skins. These are unused skins. You're convinced you have a pile of apples and a pile of oranges when you just have two piles of apples.

[Qraljar]

I think most people will know that I am also not really excited by these pets.

I love the method behind catching them, even if I think they should give the pets a smaller path.

But yeah, no one can deny that the previous rare pets were certainly more impressive, but like others - I am sort of sure that these are just an extra addition and not the real rares we've all been wanting to see.


Also, offtopic, but I'm sort of getting irritated by the fact that so many people adamantly imply that just because they like these pets, that all should and if other people don't', they're simply wrong. Or that wishing for any other pet than the ones currently available is acting entitled and spoilt because those assumptions, and much worse -- accusations are extremely obnoxious.

[GormanGhaste]

I'm glad PorrasouxRex started this thread. It's good to have a particular place for expressing our feelings about the new tames. Let's just remember that there's no right or wrong to how we feel.

For me, I really love the new mechanism, it's very hunter-y and should help cut down on griefing. I'm not interested in taming any of the specials, but none of the Molten Front rares appealed to me either. Which is fine by me, I don't feel a need for exciting rares every patch. There are plenty of new families, new models, and new skins in 5.0 that I do want, and maybe I'll decide I just have to have one of the new pets in 5.1!

[Equeon]

Spirit beasts (note the plural s) and the rare silkworm will be arriving a little bit later in 5.1. Let's say beasts means 3 spirit beasts, plus 1 silkworm, so maybe you'll have a bit more choice there. Perhaps one of the spirit beasts is indeed Xuen's model, which is certainly a very beautiful and striking appearance! And if they are adding more tameables then, there is always time for them to make older models or families tameable in that or a later patch. So don't give up hope too soon.

Possible new pets added in this expansion: Mantid Tanks, Yaks, Mushan
Possible new pets that have already existed: Old-world goats/rams (these seem a likely addition) Talbuks, Sandreavers (could easily follow the way of Yauj, Kri, and Buru in Cataclysm... old raid bosses becoming tameable silithids..) Hydras, The Prehistoric Team [Pterrordaxes, Diemetradons, Stegodons/Thunder Lizards/Kodos], etc.

[Gimlion]

I'm just trying to get this point across: How can people be so offended and upset by what Blizzard is doing with these tracks, putting in unused skins of other families onto unique creatures (there, didn't say rare, even though I imagine they'll be rares come live), when it has been the norm since vanilla.

Out of all the rare pets in game, I can think of 3 that were made intentionally, just for hunters to tame. These are: Skoll, Gondria, and Arcturis. They are all re-skins, but the unique skins were made specifically for hunters to tame as SBs. Every other Rare in game was either put in to flesh out families, add unused skins, or because the model/skin was already being put in-game, and Blizz decided to let us get a tamable version. It's as simple as that, all evidence points to that. By all means, don't enjoy the new, quirky, exciting way of finding unique beasts, but don't poop on everyone else's parade because of it.