Garrosh MAKES FAIL FAIL EVEN MORE THAN A FAILBOAT OF FAIL.

[Palladiamorsdeus]

Eh, if I had to wager the horde as a whole won't be evil. I've the feeling that while Garrosh is going to do bad thing's with the horde, the player character interaction with it is going to be some what minimal. If anything I see the player's working behind the scenes to ensure that Garrosh's actions don't have as bad an impact as they might have.

OR Blizzard might have finally gone the other extreme, and for this expansion the horde may be a down right destructive force, like they were in WC 1 and 2. *Shrugs*

[Kastarakovski]

I was waiting for this. I was waiting for Blizzard to pick up Sinestra's little brood of obedient Dragonmaw Orcs and the Netherwing Faction and bring 'em back forward into the spotlight as, sincerely, the Netherwings ARE DW's "lost kids". And honestly, we know Garrosh is a freakin' douchebag who trusts the wrong people and despises everyone else who doesn't agree with his choices - him backing the Dragonmaw is a set-up for his first big nightmare. Also, Falstad Wildhammer did not officially join the Alliance for the last few big altercations. Him joining up with the Alliance now makes him a threat to the Horde, as he brings the alliance of the Red Dragonflight with him - he is one of those few trusted allies of Alexstrasza, and is a personal friend of Korialstrasz himself.

I can honestly see where this setup of events is going: Red Dragonflight versus Black Dragonflight for control of the Twin Peaks.
It's a complex sequence of events for us to get (and subsequently overreact at times), but the lore already set this up in motion a long time ago.

I'm just glad Blizz finally picked the whole Red Dragonflight alliance Falstad had from the battle at Grim Batol right back up where they left it =D




(I'm a Dragonflight Lore Nerdette, can you tell?)

[Arwyn]

Maybe Blizz is setting this up so Horde players will have a reason to want Garrosh to fail and thus leave an opening to make Thrall come back. From what I remember Thrall left for the Greater Good or something. But if Garrosh is taking actions that will tear the Horde apart and make each faction vunerable to a still united Alliance-so far no word if any civil war type actions occuring with them-Thrall would have to come back. Or maybe work out away to cajole Rexxar back into action so he can take the throne. -Man I miss not seeing him and Misha rambling along the road between Desolace and Feralas.

[cowmuflage]

Or maybe he just sided with them so he can destroy them from the inside out! what better way to take out a faction then from the inside out?

[Nick]

I hope people won't put the whole Horde under the "evil" banner because Tauren are not at all destructive imo. We'd rather hug it out unless the threat was absolute and had to be dealt with.

[Ryai]

I was waiting for this. I was waiting for Blizzard to pick up Sinestra's little brood of obedient Dragonmaw Orcs and the Netherwing Faction and bring 'em back forward into the spotlight as, sincerely, the Netherwings ARE DW's "lost kids".

Yeah but the only thing is- admitedly it wasn't a big surprise that the netherwing flight/netherdrakes would be brought back in someway for Cata as we do know Deathwing DID get his hands on some eggs and drakes and... lets not delve into what he most likely did to the poor things.

And while I know it won't make my horde unable to obtain the rights to ride on the back of a Ruby Drake yet anyways, I just dread what this, Blizz, and Garrosh are going to do by the end of Cata :/

[Kastarakovski]

I was waiting for this. I was waiting for Blizzard to pick up Sinestra's little brood of obedient Dragonmaw Orcs and the Netherwing Faction and bring 'em back forward into the spotlight as, sincerely, the Netherwings ARE DW's "lost kids".

Yeah but the only thing is- admitedly it wasn't a big surprise that the netherwing flight/netherdrakes would be brought back in someway for Cata as we do know Deathwing DID get his hands on some eggs and drakes and... lets not delve into what he most likely did to the poor things.

And while I know it won't make my horde unable to obtain the rights to ride on the back of a Ruby Drake yet anyways, I just dread what this, Blizz, and Garrosh are going to do by the end of Cata :/

It won't truly surprise me if Garrosh made some open-ended pact with the devil (the devil being Deathwing). He's stupid like that and we know it >>;

[Gala]

i mean, i dont like Garrosh. I certainly dont think teaming up with Dragonmaw is a good idea. But hey, nothing like a good controversy to keep things interesting, right?

[Sarayana]

Eh, it was just a vague observation Ryai. I haven't the foggiest idea what will happen or whether it'll be the entire Horde (I'd wager Palla is right)... I'm just saying this is what it looks like to me. I know most people on these forums that play Horde embrace the Thrall vision of it, mending fences and establishing balance, but perhaps this forum is unique. I certainly think it is in other ways, so why not in this? Anyway, it's too late and I'm rambling. >.>

[Senna-Umbreon]

I'm kinda wondering.. Does anyone ever think that these Dragonmaw Orcs are GOOD? All I'm seeing in this thread is a "Oh you're a Dragonmaw Orc, so you HAVE to be evil and want to kill and capture dragons!" mind set. I'm pretty sure that there MUST be some Dragonmaw Orcs that would rather have had nothing to do with the fiasco at Grim Batol or with the Netherwing Dragons.

[Nevar]

Not really, because have you ever HEARD of a good Dragonmaw? You havent - the Dragonmaw exist soley for the purpose of evil. It can be seen everywhere and there is never a Dragonmaw that seems to think otherwise. Not that it matters Garrosh is all ready running the horde down hill enough as is hes just making it even worse now.

[cowmuflage]

Maybe Garrosh is deathwings grandchild just poseing as an orc to ruin the horde from within!

[Nevar]

Who knows ^ that could be a possibility knowing Garrosh and his douchery or what Palla said could be true - they could turning the horde back into a full fledged destructive force. Which wouldnt go over well with the players since as was previously mentioned..most players like Thrall's mindset and not Garrosh's. I respect Thrall but geez does he need to grow a pair and tell Garrosh whats what.

[Senna-Umbreon]

Not really, because have you ever HEARD of a good Dragonmaw? You havent - the Dragonmaw exist soley for the purpose of evil. It can be seen everywhere and there is never a Dragonmaw that seems to think otherwise. Not that it matters Garrosh is all ready running the horde down hill enough as is hes just making it even worse now.

We may not have heard of them, but that doesn't mean they don't exist! Besides, Blizz can do whatever they want with the lore, so I REALLY would not be surprised if these Dragonmaw Orcs are good.

[Nevar]

I completely would and even if they were nobody would trust them because of the title they carry of "Dragonmaw". Except of course for GARROSH...<mutters> Idiot(Garrosh)

Edit -I see it as these orcs are evil - Always have been. Always will be. Garrosh allies them for one reason - Power - Everyone knows Garrosh is power hungry and wants the old horde to return to its former glory. He figures hey these orcs enslaved the red flight, Alexstraza herself and the Netherwing I should allie with them. Thats just his mind set - if they can help him get what he wants hes not going to care what they've done.

[cowmuflage]

I think thrall saw Garrosh burn an orthange down with is evil fire breath and was told to shut up or he will be next. I'm getting to ahead of myself i should make that into a comic.

[Senna-Umbreon]

I do agree that Garrosh is an idiot and is likely to do some idiotic as siding with the evil Dragonmaw, but I still don't think it's too fair to rule someone out as evil just because of their clan. And as I said, who's to say that all Dragonmaw Orcs are evil?

[Nevar]

And whos to say they arent? If hes allieing with them its for a reason that isnt to great to begin with. He wouldnt pick them if they didnt share a similiar mindset.

[Senna-Umbreon]

I never said that they aren't, but ruleing out the idea of them NOT being evil seems rather... close-minded? Not too sure if I'm using the correct words here, but I can't seem to think of a way to explain my point of view on this really. >.<;

[Nevar]

I'm sorry to say I dont trust anything that allies with Garrosh for reasons that hes obviously up to something.. Imma go chill with Vol'jin /nod ..Yup. Cause Thrall didnt let them in the horde for obvious reasons because hes smart..only Garrosh would be stupid enough to do that. Thrall's the brains..Garrosh is the..not so much. I dont think I'd ever trust anything that enslaved Alexstraza thats bad juju. I like the horde with Thrall in charge he knows how to avoid trouble and not start it.. I like horde players.. The ones who follow Thrall...but Garrosh.. Well IMO inviting these orcs back into the horde after they werepart of the Dark Horde AND followed Deathwing thats just not something smart to do.