More nerfs... and other changes.

[Sukurachi]

from the next patch notes:

Hunters have had all damage-causing abilities removed.
Weapons are now purely cosmetic.
WoW hunter class is now a "collect pets and shut the f*** up" class.
Hunters will no longer be able to join parties, or enter instances, as they can no longer generate any damage against mobs.
Hunters will now always be flagged for PvP, even on non-PvP servers, thus allowing any other class to gank them repeatedly without fear of Hunters defending themselves.

[sasrei7]

I think what bugs me the most is the lack of well care that the devs have about hunters. They answer a lot of concerns about other classes and even revert some but when it comes to hunters what do we get? A tweet that people have to dig to find and that still doesn't say anything about the other concerns ie stamepede.. I mean really what that makes is our 5 mins cds pretty pointless, I mean wow.. readiness though may annoy people in pvp it actually makes pve more interesting especially since its a burst of dps. I like burst dps, its way more fun to see your numbers soar then go back down then the same boring number the entire time. And some fights can go to 10 mins, which means you hit readiness twice and though the second time around you may wait before you use (waiting on cds) its still not that bad..

All this patch has made me do is not care to read the patch notes.. im starting to want to play another game more and more.

And I agree fully with Suk lol

[Equeon]

This saddens me so greatly. It's getting to a point where I wouldn't even care anymore if they announced Pterrorwings and Kunchongs as new tameable families. What's the point of shiny pets if you do no damage, or your class is so crippled you can't even have fun anymore?

I have always have been a BM hunter and don't want to change because of a gamemode I haven't played in a year (PvP.)
But this is just getting to the tipping point.


The only thing that interests me about the new patch is the final raid, and now it looks like I can't even enjoy that by having good DPS and a proper rotation. Completing the Brawler's Guild...? Not even an option for me, with my gear level, with Silencing Shot and stampede nerfs now. Pet battles aren't enough to keep me sucked into the game, so... it looks like I'll be taking a nice break from playing WoW (or at least the hunter class, which is the only level 90 class I have) until Blizzard gets its shit together.

[HunterFTW]

This saddens me so greatly. It's getting to a point where I wouldn't even care anymore if they announced Pterrorwings and Kunchongs as new tameable families. What's the point of shiny pets if you do no damage, or your class is so crippled you can't even have fun anymore?

I have always have been a BM hunter and don't want to change because of a gamemode I haven't played in a year (PvP.)
But this is just getting to the tipping point.


The only thing that interests me about the new patch is the final raid, and now it looks like I can't even enjoy that by having good DPS and a proper rotation. Completing the Brawler's Guild...? Not even an option for me, with my gear level, with Silencing Shot and stampede nerfs now. Pet battles aren't enough to keep me sucked into the game, so... it looks like I'll be taking a nice break from playing WoW (or at least the hunter class, which is the only level 90 class I have) until Blizzard gets its shit together.

same BM hunter is the only class i play and is the only thing keeping me in wow but if wow is gona take away the joy of playing the 1 class and spec i enjoy playing i can't see me playing anymore.blizz is gona lose anothe sub here.

[Slapperfish]

I think GC is trying to slowly turn our attention away from doing actual DPS and focus on becoming pet-aholics to ease the pain. Ever since the addition of more stable slots, I think he's convinced we're nothing more than that.

MoP Beta: "Hunters aren't crazy cat hoarding ladies. No point in giving them more stable slots."
Patch 5.1: "Let's add more tameable pet skins and uncommon skins as lower-level rares! They totally won't yell for more stable slots."
Patch 5.3: "Y'know what? Hunters really ARE crazy cat hoarders. More stable slots for everyone! But to counteract it, let's give 'em a subtle nerfing. They'll never know!"
Patch 5.4: "Yeah, I'm sure they won't mind if we lower their DPS even more this time. I mean, they're still so busy collecting more pets that they'll never notice the difference!"
Patch 6.?: "Let's nerf the hell out of Hunter and pet DPS again and add even MORE pets that they'll want but can't tame due to stable slot space! They're CLEARLY crazier than we are! Woohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohooooo!!" *bounces off the walls like Daffy Duck in a rubber room*

[Bulletdance]

I don't like what I'm seeing either,but it's still beta. We don't fully know what is going to happen. I'm hoping it won't be so bad,but if I'm honest a part of me wonders if hunters are too popular for blizzards taste in terms of how many people are playing them compared to other classes.

[Sukurachi]

a part of me wonders if hunters are too popular for blizzards taste in terms of how many people are playing them compared to other classes.

Honey, if they want me to stop playing a hunter, I will.. but of course, that also means I'll stop playing WoW.

[Ickabob]

Spells that were fun and added flavor to the class are being castrated to the point where I am wondering whether of not I should just stand there and auto-shot and read a book...

I miss the original Lynx Rush ;(

[AdamSavage]

They are asking for input. Should direct them to here, or anyone with a EU account post in the thread.

Posted by Beastßank
So what do you guys think of the readiness change? I personally think they are finally tackling the problem and readiness and other class equivalents makes balancing the game extra messy, but I'd like to hear your views!

Having 3 “trinkets” was definitely messy; I think hunters really needed this change. We just need to make sure that this isn’t one of those cases where something was so overpowered that its removal means we have to buff it somewhere else to keep everything in balance.
Feedback from the PTR will be very important at this stage, if you have the time please do tell us what you think, is there a need to compensate for this nerf somewhere else, or is there any other class/ability that you think might be flying under our radar?

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic ... 4?page=1#7

[Aeladrine]

You know, I don't know why I keep reading those threads. It's always filled with "HUNTERS DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO PLAY THEIR CLASS A MONKEY COULD DO IT THEY'RE ALL SO OP". Every single time.

[Malackai]

I think what bugs me the most is the lack of well care that the devs have about hunters. They answer a lot of concerns about other classes and even revert some but when it comes to hunters what do we get? A tweet that people have to dig to find and that still doesn't say anything about the other concerns ie stamepede.. I mean really what that makes is our 5 mins cds pretty pointless, I mean wow.. readiness though may annoy people in pvp it actually makes pve more interesting especially since its a burst of dps. I like burst dps, its way more fun to see your numbers soar then go back down then the same boring number the entire time. And some fights can go to 10 mins, which means you hit readiness twice and though the second time around you may wait before you use (waiting on cds) its still not that bad..

All this patch has made me do is not care to read the patch notes.. im starting to want to play another game more and more.

And I agree fully with Suk lol

I am having the exact same feeling. i canceled my sub some weeks ago but till now nothing in the patch notes is actually giving me a "will sub on patch day to try it out" vibe atm.

for me I like final fantasy to death so I am actually checking that game out atm.

[sasrei7]

Is readiness important... wow.. really blizz? Really? Hey heres a question is having your abilities twice a good dps boost?
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"is there a need to compensate for this nerf somewhere else, or is there any other class/ability that you think might be flying under our radar?"

Sometimes.. just sometimes I wonder. Hey blizz if you want more things to nerf just go and listen to pvp whiners. Its something you enjoy doing.

[Gelannerai]

is there a need to compensate for this nerf somewhere else

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic ... 4?page=1#7

See, that really bothers me. I've made the claim before that I was starting to think that Blizzard didn't know what to do with Hunters anymore, but honestly thought I was just engaging in some frustrated hyperbole. After reading this, maybe my previous reaction hit closer to reality than I thought. Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but are there any devs that actually play Hunters? It doesn't seem like there are, if they're lobbing questions like the above.

[Tunderbrew]

The way that the most recent Blue post is worded just makes me hang my head in resignation. I don't understand how they can be confused as to whether or not the Readiness change would warrant compensation. Especially when it's being thrown on top of the Stampede, Blink Strikes, and Silencing Shot changes.

And in the end, I'm not sure they could deliver an interesting form of compensation without a kit overhaul. These changes are effectively removing the interesting elements of our openers and burst(for me, these were the more entertaining/skillful elements to our rotation) Where does that leave us? With mediocre, at best, sustained damage and laughable utility. Not to say I'm wholly against the change or removal of Readiness, I just want interesting compensation beyond a flat filler/aura buff. This is pushing us dangerously close to becoming Arcane Shot and Steady/Cobra spam bots(never mind how bland spec distinction is becoming) Finally balancing PvP and PvE as separate entities would be a relief, but I won't hold my breath on that.

I suppose I misread MoP. I didn't realize a focus on the war would mean we'd be stuck with a PvP-centric balancing and design drive. For the first time in 7 years I'm seriously considering my withdrawal from raiding. I'd rather not have to reroll to a different class to not feel like a charity case to the raid.

*edit* Did they even ask for this input/address the issue anywhere other than the PvP forums? *facedesk* I know that GC mentioned compensation, but beyond that the response has been vague.

[Slickrock]

One thing here, I'd trust GC's comment about compensation more that a CM that I've never heard of. I doubt this CM.

That said, I tweeted GC and Lore about it, basically saying WTF, so see if we get a response.

[Ickabob]

That said, I tweeted GC and Lore about it, basically saying WTF, so see if we get a response.

I'd tweet Holinka while you're at it. He's their PVP guy now and I'm sure he has just as much swing as GC does.

[Slickrock]

Holinka seems to be a PVP snob, based on his feed, a very arrogant one at that. (Then again, the whole dev team is getting more and more snarky).

[AdamSavage]

Holinka seems to be a PVP snob, based on his feed, a very arrogant one at that. (Then again, the whole dev team is getting more and more snarky).

I get some people are not the nicest with tweets and such, but overall as a company they are not in any position to be acting like they are. The overall type of players has changed, and people are less forgiving of unwarranted changes/nerfs. I will ride this expansion out, and see what they have planned for the next one. Not everyone will be as tolerant, and I wouldn't be at all shocked to here they lost another chunk of subscribers.

[cowmuflage]

I dunno I still the game. *shrug*

[Ana]

depending on the next patch of pvp nerfs i might change game.. staying around this time unless neverwinter nights steals me completly