Living with 5.4

[Slickrock]

So, beyond the justified rage regarding the way the devs go about things and questions of their sanity, we, assuming we are still subbed, need to deal with 5.4 once it hits.

Give the current Patch Notes, how are you going to adjust to 5.4, and what are your thoughts regarding life in 5.4?

My thoughts at the moment...

Readiness comes off my bars. I would never remember to use it once per fight for defensive only abilities.
Not sure if we are getting a dps nerf or not, the new arcane could be good, but it may cause enough rotational issues that it might be a nerf. (Need to test on PTR when we get closer).
Spirit Bond replaces AoTH for all uses.
Seriously considering running MM for some fights if Arcane as a focus dump works.

[Lampray]

From what i've read, the arcane shot change is a buff. You are using less GCDs on arcane shot.

[Nevish]

I'll probably respec out of Survival if it keeps getting run into the ground. I wouldn't mind playing MM again - it was my favourite spec - but I obviously don't agree with the level of pointless sacrifice done to make it semi-viable again. Beast Mastery is and will always be on my talent trees, but once again I'm going to have put it on the backburner as a "questing" spec. Sigh.

On the bright side, I guess this means I can now focus on leveling my rogue and getting my alts geared, since I'm going to have nothing but free time outside of grinding LFR and dailies.

[Malackai]

Another gem just posted today:

Explosive Trap had its overall damage decreased by 30%. Proportionately, more damage has been removed from the initial damage than the periodic effect.

This was my initial reaction when I read it:



seriously guys did I miss something are those traps somehow godly on the prt right now? We got to much burst with them?

[Quiv]

I am going to live with 5.4 the way I live with every patch since I started in 2.4.3. I will go through the good times and go through the bad times and will cancel my sub when my overall experience becomes unworthy of my money. I have enjoyed the heck out of my hunters, through good and bad. I have picked up my other classes and learned them through lulls, and will probably do so again. 5.4 is just another step in an ongoing journey. Im just going to deal with it.

[Slickrock]

Another gem just posted today:

Explosive Trap had its overall damage decreased by 30%. Proportionately, more damage has been removed from the initial damage than the periodic effect.

This was my initial reaction when I read it:



seriously guys did I miss something are those traps somehow godly on the prt right now? We got to much burst with them?

I was wondering about that myself, but I think they did this since they removed Exp Trap from sharing a cooldown with Black Arrow, so having both was too good.

Of course, it is a nerf for the other specs that use it. Which means I'm going to need to deal with the scarabs from WarScouts and Warbringers in a different way.

[Slickrock]

From what i've read, the arcane shot change is a buff. You are using less GCDs on arcane shot.

Not necessarily. If you have to delay that Arcane shot for a Steady/Corbra so you have enough focus, it might be a net loss. Depends on haste and focus regen.

[Nachtwulf]

Yeah, the trap thing is probably a small buff for SV, if I had to guess... since you can now stack the two... but a kick in the teeth for MM/BM. BM is already floundering; and I haven't liked Marks' playstyle since BC. (the whole 'cast time AS' thing just makes the flow feel clunky and inefficient to me). Some people may go Marks just to get their interrupt back, but Marks' dps is painfully subpar and the trap change isn't going to help it.

Me, I've been gearing my lock and getting my DK to 90. Maybe by the next expac things won't suck so bad. Again.

Edit: I saw on MMOC that someone complaining about hunter uselessness got their thread shut down. Oh no, you have to go try to make yourself heard in the threads that are awash in trolls and whining pvpers instead.

[Danielfboone]

I'm still using Readiness for Rapid Fire which is a DPS boost. Once upon a time it was the only thing affected by readiness and BM couldn't even have it. It's still a plus but obviously nowhere near as good now.

[Lisaara]

I am going to live with 5.4 the way I live with every patch since I started in 2.4.3. I will go through the good times and go through the bad times and will cancel my sub when my overall experience becomes unworthy of my money. I have enjoyed the heck out of my hunters, through good and bad. I have picked up my other classes and learned them through lulls, and will probably do so again. 5.4 is just another step in an ongoing journey. Im just going to deal with it.

^ This x100

Seriously. I'm angry about the changes, sure. But I'm not gonna go around, throwing my stuff around and screaming "I'm gonna unsub!!!" just cause of this. Deal with the good, bad, and ugly. Druids have gotten shafted like this previously so this isn't the first class that's gotten the shaft. Things will improve with time, as they always do.

I just really wish Blizz would stop listening to the pvp QQers on the forums.

[Slickrock]

I'm still using Readiness for Rapid Fire which is a DPS boost. Once upon a time it was the only thing affected by readiness and BM couldn't even have it. It's still a plus but obviously nowhere near as good now.

Readiness won't effect Rapid Fire in 5.4, only defensive abilities.

[Quiv]

I'm still using Readiness for Rapid Fire which is a DPS boost. Once upon a time it was the only thing affected by readiness and BM couldn't even have it. It's still a plus but obviously nowhere near as good now.

Readiness won't effect Rapid Fire in 5.4, only defensive abilities.

According to http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/101588 ... e-7_1_2013...

Readiness now finishes the cooldowns on Rapid Fire, Feign Death, Deterrence, Disengage, and Camouflage when activated (was all Hunter abilities with a base cooldown of less than 5 minutes).

[Castile]

I just really wish Blizz would stop listening to the pvp QQers on the forums.

^THIS

Also yeah I'll deal with it. Time to gear alts and lvl up my army of 85's lol. I'm angry but if I was progression raiding I'd prob be angrier.

[Qinni]

I can mange like I did with every patch on my hunters. I've been playing hunters since the day I started WoW and something like this wont stop me now. Sure it pisses me off a little but I'm not about the throw in the towel just yet.

[Nevish]

Our proficiency is just Feigning Death while waiting for the right time to hop up and strike. HURR HURR.

[cowmuflage]

I can mange like I did with every patch on my hunters. I've been playing hunters since the day I started WoW and something like this wont stop me now. Sure it pisses me off a little but I'm not about the throw in the towel just yet.

Same.

[Tunderbrew]

If those Arcane Shot changes go through without some work done to signatures, I'll be taking that break from WoW I've been considering. Being an Arcane spam bot didn't bother me much in BC because I was new to the world and was preoccupied with exploring it. After rolling with the punches for 7 years, I have to ask myself why I am still subbed when my main's playstyle is no longer entertaining/engaging. *shrug* It is a game afterall, I'll check back in 5.5/6.0.(And it sure won't be another MMORPG, to get the most out of a break I'll find another genre or hobby XD)

[Slickrock]

If those Arcane Shot changes go through without some work done to signatures, I'll be taking that break from WoW I've been considering. Being an Arcane spam bot didn't bother me much in BC because I was new to the world and was preoccupied with exploring it. After rolling with the punches for 7 years, I have to ask myself why I am still subbed when my main's playstyle is no longer entertaining/engaging. *shrug* It is a game afterall, I'll check back in 5.5/6.0.(And it sure won't be another MMORPG, to get the most out of a break I'll find another genre or hobby XD)

Well, it's not quite that bad, except perhaps for MM. It won't actually change BM too much. But it certainly does need to be balanced with the other spells.

I think the arcane boost is their quick answer to providing burst while nerfing everything else.

I'm more concerned about it being a dps loss if focus becomes an issue.

[Malackai]

Another gem just posted today:

Explosive Trap had its overall damage decreased by 30%. Proportionately, more damage has been removed from the initial damage than the periodic effect.

This was my initial reaction when I read it:


seriously guys did I miss something are those traps somehow godly on the prt right now? We got to much burst with them?

I was wondering about that myself, but I think they did this since they removed Exp Trap from sharing a cooldown with Black Arrow, so having both was too good.

Of course, it is a nerf for the other specs that use it. Which means I'm going to need to deal with the scarabs from WarScouts and Warbringers in a different way.

Yea but still they removed the lnl proc from the trap isnt it? trap damage it self isnt exactly high to begin with it was only a nice dot when aoeing. still doesn't make any sense to nerf it like this.

it feels like they are trying to fix our button bloat by simply nerfing stuff in to oblivion so it wont even make any sense to use it.

[Myrrmi]

So, then, this is how I see my rotation in 5.4:

serpent->arcane, arcane...arcane->cobra->arcane, arcane...arcane->cobra->arcane...
+2 KCs during BW
+Focus Fire whenever possible (esp with the new set proc)

Although I think I may go with MM offspec, which I was using solely for soloing some old content fights where you have to be petless, just so that I have to stick steadies in twos and use that healing shot that refreshes serpent. That's two more things to think about, maybe they will save me from falling asleep