Crappy Groups

[Kastarakovski]

Okay, after the hubby fiasco with his ZG winnage (which, by the way, they may be pixels, but I'm running a temper that involves sharpened blades about it still...and yes, he's still sleeping on the couch for that stunt), I thought surely nothing else could go wrong and ruin what's been an otherwise straightforward week of suckage. I honestly couldn't have been more godsdamned wrong. This involves the ex-guild. Probably my greatest achievement to date thus far.

So I log on to check mail on Laz. And I get a whisper from a galpal in guild, who's asking me why I have Sub and Bru on ignore. I told her "They should know why they're on ignore. I want nothing to do with spineless slut and his sloppy seconds ho." She relays this over Vent. Apparently, there's a decent amount of laughter going on from just that alone. So guild leader pushes the issue, when the husband has clearly told him over Vent "She's not in the mood to be fucked with tonight guys!".

They have four new hunters, two recently transferred (I pitied them, I truly did), and get this, after all the shit they put me through, he and Bru want me back raiding fulltime...as Hunter Class Leader. I was told I'd get "priority" on gear. On EPGP. I'd be able to take nights off for work. I'd be an officer again. Hell, I'd be even able to drag them both by the ear into Officer's Chat and beat the holy shit out of them if they so much as fucked with me on the wrong chord.

I thought of this as total bullshit, and I said it in guild.

I then addressed their four newbie Hunters and explained, in detail, of what they could honestly and truly expect from these fucking clowns. If a piece of mail gear dropped that was BiS for them, the Warrior would get it automatically, regardless if it had intellect on it or not. Same would go for every other piece of gear, trinkets, rings, the works. If someone else had higher EPGP, I told them bloody simply to fucking forget it - no amount of protesting or petitioning the idiot Raid Leader and the spineless Guild Leader would get you your gear pieces back. Oh and to forget even THINKING of taking a week or two off to deal with work - because the moment you come back and they've progressed even further, you wouldn't even get a second glance. Don't waste your time farming to help this guild because you go completely unappreciated and get used like a two dollar hooker for everything you spend your time and hard work farming to help these ungrateful whores. If you so much as outdps someone, it becomes a dick-size contest. Unless you go under the table and suck on their shrivelled nuts, you are lowest class to Sub and Bru. They spread bullshit and lies to anyone they refuse to trust, even when that someone has met, and known them for five fucking years since WoW Vanilla. And I said if you don't have a problem with any of this fuckwitted behaviour to go ahead and get dicked by this pathetic guild, otherwise GTFO whilst you still have a chance to get achievements and progression physically DONE instead of scrabbling around and uhming and ahhing for 4 hours of a 4 and a half hour raid.

Four GQuits in 10 seconds. One's now in Three Thousand, one's now in Blasphemy and the two server transferrals are going to stay guildless until they can server transfer again.

I logged off Laz with a smile on my face and said over Vent: "That was your last chance, Sub. Now fuck off!"
I expect to have Laz booted out of the guild after they're done with tonight's ICC25.

[Dewclaw]

Kastarakovski, I'm sorry you're having a rough time.

[Kalliope]

I'd absolutely /gquit myself and not look back. Be completely done with the morons. There MUST be another option for you somewhere on the server, or even off-server. Nothing is worth the grief you're going through.

[Ryai]

Just going to say this as simply as possible, to those EU side on Bloodhoof and ajoined servers for the battlegroup/realm whatever.

Just ignore Ebynax from Burning Blade. Because evidently Imba Twink DPS is more important than healing. Trying to claim the tank is ninja pulling when he goes and pulls trash that wipes us, flatly refuses to heal half the time, causes about 2 of the 4 wipes we had/almost had, basically tries to insult us for NOT being twinks, and etc of the sort.

Oh and top it all off? He was a ninja too.

[Nick]

I can't believe I'm saying this but... I actually had good DK tanks today on my druid.

Now mind you, that was mangled by the fact that people kept finding it nice to leave party in the middle of a pull, but my night went great. Gots me some good druid gear, but the damned staff from reg FoS won't drop for me, even after a day of farming.

Sure, drop for my hunter, but not my druid. >[

[Edit]

AUGH, I just can't let it go!
Dx
-Is currently on her druid, AGAIN, in DF for PoS-

[Zanidar]

Was playing my mage and got in SM library, yay I can get my staff! We start clearing, and I realize the tank is pulling HUGe groups and not keeping aggro. Almost all of them go to me. I die about 5 times. When we finally get to the end, the staff drops. Annnnnnnnnnd...the Pally DPS takes it...paladins can't even use staves...

[VelkynKarma]

Ugh. I had a shitty series of groups today.

So I haven't had much time to run heroics of late. Well, classes just finished, and I'm stuck on campus for a few days until graduation, with NOBODY sucking up the internet. It's the best it's been all year. So I think, hey, I'll do some dungeon runs! Sil can build up some badges and start working towards her third tier piece set. So I run three.

Drak'tharon goes fine. One wipe from stupidity, but no freaking out over it. Even got "Better off Dred" which was nice.

Then things go unsmoothly.

I get random'd into Old Kingdom next. The group is already half done, sadly, but I figure what the hell, still a couple badges in it for me. First thing that happens? They spam me repteadly with a tank-kick request. I have no idea how good or bad this guy is, so I don't touch it. Which is fortunate, because the tank was the only guy that KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING besides myself. There was a DK in the group, and I forget what the other DPS was, but both of them were only doing like 600dps, max. Compared to Silinrul's nearly 3000 when buffed...and she's not fantastically geared, either! I mean come on....DK's can practically do 600 straight up just from facerolling the keyboard, how do you do THAT BADLY in a Heroic! It especially sucked during that one Prince boss, because guess who got blood-sucked 2/3 times...ME. The major DPS. And it took the dumbasses way too long to figure it out, I almost died, even with my GIANT WHITE DEVILSAUR stomping on him angrily. Uuuugh.

After that was Violet Hold. Easy, right? Not a huge badge count, but a simple run. We get through the first boss easy, the corehound. Second...Xevozz. Okay, he's not the easiest boss but as long as you kite him he goes down pretty qui--um. Why is he still in place? Um, why am I getting lazered by all these glowy spheres? TANK REFUSED TO KITE HIM. Naturally we wipe. All of us ask WTF he was thinking (though I did it more politely, at least). And his only answer was, "we should've had enough dps to burn him down." Then he leaves group. The healer and one dps jump ship as well after that, and we replace them with one dps who spends her whole time standing around waiting for us to kill things so she can skin'em, and a tank who seemed to mostly know what he was doing but kept messing up. UUUUGH.

Just...not a great first-time-back-to-the-dungeons day. >_<

~VelkynKarma

After that

[Moonlost]

Just came back from an UUUUURRRGGGGG run. Not exactly bad, certainly not as terrible as some of the shit that seems to happen to you guys, but bad enough for me to want to vent about it.

So,I'm tanking on my beloved frost DK, helping my brother with his random heroic for the day. Drak'Theron Keep pops up. We get a tree druid heler, a shadow priest and I believe a Ret pally. The druid was nice, a little quiet, but that was probably because of the other two. We down the mobs pretty quickly, as a result I have to wait 2-3 seconds for Death & Decay to fully cooldown. The Shadow priest decides that this is taking way too long and starts DoTing up enemies before I can pull. Thankfully I have a few tools to snap aggro bcak so no deaths happen (although I was sorely tempted to just let them nom on the Spriest until he learned his lesson).

The Spriest tells me to "hurry it up grandpa". I reply that I have to wait a few seconds for D&D to finish so I have a nice agro base for multi mob pulls. He lols and says nothing. The Pally then pipes up, saying that I should spec into [Morbidity].

Now, I'm a DW frost DK. I have to spend a lot of talent points to spec myself right, leaving me with only a few points spare. In addition to this, D&D isn't a spell in my regular rotation and Death Coil isn't used in my rotation at all. I only really use D&D to generate some snap aggro at the start of a multiple mob fight, nothing more. That talent, while good for other DK trees, would essentially be wasted points for me.

Rather than point all this out and waste even more of their precious time (which would be used to pull more mobs I suppose), I decide to be a little passive agressive and responded with "Yes, because waiting those few extra seconds is just horrible."

The Pally resonds with "l2tank"
...
Really. I've been keeping the mobs from attacking you, quite successfully I may add, popping cooldowns when needed and putting up with your bull. I have been able to the threat of tank that was far superiorly geared than I was. And I need to learn to tank simply because I decide to wait 2-3 seconds for an ability which I use to get mobs on me quickly so they don't eat your face at the start of a fight.
URRRRGGGG.

I actually said nothing in response, mostly because I knew that doing so would get into a flame war and goodness knows that I don't need that. So we keep going. I try to go a little faster to stop them from bitching.

Eventually a BoE blue cloth belt drops. The Spriest needs it, and it's an upgrade for him. He types in " /wrists", proceeding to say that he feels like a retard for equiping a BoE blue of all things. The Pally lols and tells him he's correct.
I face palm silently and say "Since when has upgrading your equipment been retarded? Grats."

We finished up around there. So, ultimately it wasn't the worst run in existence. Asside from the DPS pulls it went pretty smoothly. Nobody died and the druid seemed generally nice. That being said though, the other two DPS were a-typical douchebags. Wish there was some way I could've slaped some sense into them. -.-

[zedxrgal]

I'll make this quick since I really need to get going but I was in a group last night on my alt hunter who was consistently pulling way more aggro then the warrior who was two levels higher.
I get the "GROWL OFF PLEASE". I said "It is and has been. Maybe you're just a crappy tank????"
I ran two more dungeons with these same people and almost constantly I pulled more aggro then their tank and the other DPS'. Couldn't believe it. Yet at the same time it was a bit of an ego boost. lol

[Kalliope]

BM pets are serious aggro magnets. xD And that's even with growl off. Any tank worth their salt should be able to outthreat the pet on the main target, really.

Your point is valid. Crappy tanks are crappy.

[Ryai]

BM pets are serious aggro magnets. xD And that's even with growl off. Any tank worth their salt should be able to outthreat the pet on the main target, really.

Your point is valid. Crappy tanks are crappy.

That Doesn't mean the tanks are crappy. Just a difference in gear or if the tank is still gearing up. Hell it's why I stopped playing Caim for a bit, I can barely keep threat on myself because Aria and our friend just crit so blooming much on their boomkins and I still need 100 badges or so for more upgrades and etc.

Also while leveling up it is still very easy to pull threat off a tank if he or she hasn't had time to throw down all threat attacks on the mobs.

All you need to do is cut down the DPS as it's not a heroic, aslong as the mobs die and the healer is healing the tank everything should be fine.

[Kalliope]

BM pets are serious aggro magnets. xD And that's even with growl off. Any tank worth their salt should be able to outthreat the pet on the main target, really.

Your point is valid. Crappy tanks are crappy.

That Doesn't mean the tanks are crappy. Just a difference in gear or if the tank is still gearing up. Hell it's why I stopped playing Caim for a bit, I can barely keep threat on myself because Aria and our friend just crit so blooming much on their boomkins and I still need 100 badges or so for more upgrades and etc.

True enough.

That one had a level advantage, though.

[Chrizesu]

What pet were you using? Tenacity pets actually pull more then ferocity.

[zedxrgal]

Which time? I went into the dungeon because it was the quickest way to get three of my pets who were lagging on levels up to snuff. First I ran with Giggler, then Snort then Humar. Every time I pulled more aggro. I actually got to the point where I'd wait till the tank had hit a few times before I'd even attack otherwise I'd have a whole mess of mobs on me.

I actually ran enough dungeons to go from level 41 to 43. Most with that same tank. I didn't think I was going to pull that much especially once I brought Humar in. But sure enough. I pulled. It was even joked that maybe I should tank.

[Ryai]

Which time? I went into the dungeon because it was the quickest way to get three of my pets who were lagging on levels up to snuff. First I ran with Giggler, then Snort then Humar. Every time I pulled more aggro. I actually got to the point where I'd wait till the tank had hit a few times before I'd even attack otherwise I'd have a whole mess of mobs on me.

I actually ran enough dungeons to go from level 41 to 43. Most with that same tank. I didn't think I was going to pull that much especially once I brought Humar in. But sure enough. I pulled. It was even joked that maybe I should tank.

Was it a warrior then? As that'd explain it. For Rashika half of her rotation is Thunderstomp/Cleave/Sunder Amor[glyphed]/Shout spam to stay on top of thread and even then I still lost aggro to pets without growl on, it's NOT crappy tanks, just mechanics, as tanks at that level just usually have a harder time generating threat as only Paladins really have the ability to throw down a near constant AoE that continues to do threat as long as the mobs stay on it.

So I have to say having a 40ish war still, and having tanked on her 'recently' it's not the tank's fault nor was he crappy.

Edit: Also it's the same with bears, as bears generate most of their threat via damage. If your pet does more damage then he'll pop aggro.

So yeah I'm gonna have to say the tank wasn't crappy.

[Kalliope]

Are you tab-targetting the mobs to cleave and such? My warrior at that level didn't have much trouble once I had my rotations down. This guide has been invaluable. Definitely felt like a beast of a tank once I'd collected my defense gear. I really ought to get back to her; got a few random upgrades waiting for her at 60...

[Ryai]

Are you tab-targetting the mobs to cleave and such? My warrior at that level didn't have much trouble once I had my rotations down. This guide has been invaluable. Definitely felt like a beast of a tank once I'd collected my defense gear. I really ought to get back to her; got a few random upgrades waiting for her at 60...

I don't use tab+target. Last few times I did that tab decided to target mobs that hadn't been aggroed and we wiped.

[zedxrgal]

I wasn't tab targeting and funny, yes it was a warrior. But I was pulling even from the DK who was attacking just after 'she' would make the pulls.

I thought it was maybe 'her' being a crappy tank simply because that was the fist time I'd pulled that much aggro EVER and that's with other warriors as tanks. Maybe it was a glitch or something. Please don't take offense if I am coming across that way. Was just happening consecutively with this same warrior tank who was two levels higher then me.

[Kalliope]

Are you tab-targetting the mobs to cleave and such? My warrior at that level didn't have much trouble once I had my rotations down. This guide has been invaluable. Definitely felt like a beast of a tank once I'd collected my defense gear. I really ought to get back to her; got a few random upgrades waiting for her at 60...

I don't use tab+target. Last few times I did that tab decided to target mobs that hadn't been aggroed and we wiped.

That should really only be a problem for a ranged class, tbqh. >_>

But yeah, if you're not going through the mobs you have on you, then you're not generating enough threat on the off targets, so they'll probably get pulled, either by AoE or an overpowered pet. I wouldn't worry too much about sundering on AoE packs or shouting to keep threat as a lowbie either, btw. I save those for bosses.

Zed, Ryai made a good point in that if you outgeared the tank, you'd be pulling regardless. It kind of sounds to me like the dk went in early and got aggro, which meant it would be even easier for you to get aggro after that, since lowbie tanks tend to be slower about taunting.

[Palladiamorsdeus]

On my mage I have to throttle a LOT, both AoE and single target. I generally take a moment to set up scorch and living bomb in a single target, and THEN fire pillar and start spreading around living bombs on multiple targets. ANd some times I get 'lucky' and get hot streak! ......that's sarcasm, by the way. In a pug, a Hot Streak generally means I have to iceblock, unless it came off of bomb going off, and even then I have to worry about the ensuing pyroblast criticaling. Good or even mediocre tank's it's not a huge problem, I just 'toss' the mob back into them, but in worst case scenarios I wind up burning down mobs by myself. Which isn't as bad as it sounds, it's just a bit nerve wracking.