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Today's build, we got some buffs

Unread post by Slickrock » Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:13 pm

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Arcane Shot additional damage increased by 21%.

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Lynx Rush damage and AP scaling increased by 30%.

Beast Mastery
Kill Command base damage increased by 33% and AP scaling increased by 16%.

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Aimed Shot weapon damage increased by 12.5% and additional damage reduced by 2%.

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Explosive Shot damage and RAP scaling increased by 8%.
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Unread post by Makoes » Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:17 pm

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Unread post by Lisaara » Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:15 pm

Wewt! My fiance texted me about it and I am just clicking my heels!

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Re: Today's build, we got some buffs

Unread post by Nahale » Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:39 pm

Slickrock wrote: Beast Mastery
Kill Command base damage increased by 33% and AP scaling increased by 16%.
That's.. a little surprising. But hey, can't complain!

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Re: Today's build, we got some buffs

Unread post by Danielfboone » Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:18 pm

Nice buff to BM and maybe I'll be going back to Lynx Rush. I'll have to see how it sims out in FD.
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Unread post by pop » Tue Aug 27, 2013 6:55 am

I hope Lynx Rush actually summons a lynx or lynxes to do the damage as any other actions like KC would break Lynx Rush.

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Unread post by Lisaara » Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:55 am

pop wrote:I hope Lynx Rush actually summons a lynx or lynxes to do the damage as any other actions like KC would break Lynx Rush.
They only buffed the damage. They didn't change what the ability does. o.o; Lynx Rush still does what it current does now.

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Re: Today's build, we got some buffs

Unread post by pop » Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:29 am

Junrei wrote:
pop wrote:I hope Lynx Rush actually summons a lynx or lynxes to do the damage as any other actions like KC would break Lynx Rush.
They only buffed the damage. They didn't change what the ability does. o.o; Lynx Rush still does what it current does now.
hence why I said I hope.

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Unread post by Slickrock » Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:45 am

Danielfboone wrote:Nice buff to BM and maybe I'll be going back to Lynx Rush. I'll have to see how it sims out in FD.
Z updated FD last night, so start the math!!!

Frostheim is saying Crit is king now, but I think he may just be referring to survivial.
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Unread post by Lisaara » Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:11 pm

Slickrock wrote:
Danielfboone wrote:Nice buff to BM and maybe I'll be going back to Lynx Rush. I'll have to see how it sims out in FD.
Z updated FD last night, so start the math!!!

Frostheim is saying Crit is king now, but I think he may just be referring to survivial.
You may wanna confirm that before saying which is king overall. :P

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Re: Today's build, we got some buffs

Unread post by Slickrock » Tue Aug 27, 2013 6:36 pm

Hey, just saying what Frost said... :-)

People need to do their own math, or let EJ figure it out... :-)
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Re: Today's build, we got some buffs

Unread post by Danielfboone » Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:14 am

Well it sims out that the combination of Fervor and AMoC is the best. That's not really the most fun combination for BM though.
I think Dire Beast and Lynx Rush is.
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Unread post by Lisaara » Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:03 am

Slickrock wrote:Hey, just saying what Frost said... :-)

People need to do their own math, or let EJ figure it out... :-)
Frost is usually specific on what he says.

I hate EJ. Too much math. I dont need to know how they got there or what teensy number means what. I prefer Icy-Veins. x3

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Unread post by Banard » Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:43 am

Some interesting weird comments here in this thread. After some analysis looking at haste/crit , surv/BM here are is some very interesting tips you should keep in mind:

with PTR enabled

(1) @ current gear level Surv crit and BM haste are very close.
(2) as ilevel goes up Surv > BM
(3) with set bonuses and as ilevel goes up haste appears to be outweighing crit for Surv and stays on top for BM. Keep in mind this can changes depending on your latency.
(4) then there is http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=102292/assu ... onsequence which is a game breaker. It is not BiS for surv but for BM it boost the damage up substantially making BM the better spec.
(5) Choice between Surv or BM or crit>haste or haste>crit will depend on the gear you have

Other options: ignoring http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=102292/assu ... onsequence
(1) lynx rush is garbage the buff is only small and corrects some of the nerf due to readiness removal.
(2) Blink is still better for BM
(3) Crows is still better for Surv

I don't think I looked at http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=102292/assu ... onsequence impact on lynx or crows for BM. Its possible with that trinket crows might be better.

Note: word on the street is FD/sims not coding 4 set bonus correct for MM.

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Unread post by Lisaara » Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:59 am

Banard wrote:Some interesting weird comments here in this thread. After some analysis looking at haste/crit , surv/BM here are is some very interesting tips you should keep in mind:

with PTR enabled

(1) @ current gear level Surv crit and BM haste are very close.
(2) as ilevel goes up Surv > BM
(3) with set bonuses and as ilevel goes up haste appears to be outweighing crit for Surv and stays on top for BM. Keep in mind this can changes depending on your latency.
(4) then there is http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=102292/assu ... onsequence which is a game breaker. It is not BiS for surv but for BM it boost the damage up substantially making BM the better spec.
(5) Choice between Surv or BM or crit>haste or haste>crit will depend on the gear you have

Other options: ignoring http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=102292/assu ... onsequence
(1) lynx rush is garbage the buff is only small and corrects some of the nerf due to readiness removal.
(2) Blink is still better for BM
(3) Crows is still better for Surv

I don't think I looked at http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=102292/assu ... onsequence impact on lynx or crows for BM. Its possible with that trinket crows might be better.

Note: word on the street is FD/sims not coding 4 set bonus correct for MM.
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Re: Today's build, we got some buffs

Unread post by Slickrock » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:34 am

One other think though... the focus cost of MoC is so high, that you may often gimp yourself trying to get enough focus to use it.

Regarding Fervor vs Dire Beast, what's best depends on your rotation. Likely you will want Fervor if you want to take MoC, otherwise Dire Beast will be better, unless you REALLY manage you focus well.

On MoC vs Blink vs Lynx, I already mentioned the problem with MoC and the solution above. So if you are not Fervor+MoC, the question comes down to how much damage are you doing with your rotation, and does the GCDs that are saved by Blink allow you to get more dps than the buffed Lynx?

I'll likely be staying Direbeast + Blink unless Lynx is shown to be vastly superior. Many fights these days have too much chaos to worry about watching my focus bar, I'd rather have a focus neutral rotation with Direbeast and Blink.
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Unread post by Quiv » Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:30 pm

That cooldown reduction trinket makes my brain hurt. I dinked with it on PTR, just an interested but wildcard effect.
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Re: Today's build, we got some buffs

Unread post by Slickrock » Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:50 pm

Quivering wrote:That cooldown reduction trinket makes my brain hurt. I dinked with it on PTR, just an interested but wildcard effect.
Yeah, and according to EJ, it's BiS for BM, but not for SV.

Does feel odd that they would nerf us with Readiness removal, and give it back in a trinket. O.o

The trinket also does Stampede, which is huge for BM.
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Unread post by Banard » Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:39 pm

Slickrock wrote: Likely you will want Fervor if you want to take MoC

This is false, Dire beast with Crows for Surv is showing higher numbers. Now it can be like live, where Fervor does more performance wise (due to having control over DPS burst) while dire beast does more on paper but that is yet to be scene and depends on the boss encounters.

But with that trinket making BM the optimal spec, folks will pick dire beast and blink .

Lynx is dead, been dead since the nerf and unless we see another buff will remain dead.

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Unread post by Banard » Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:40 pm

Quivering wrote:That cooldown reduction trinket makes my brain hurt. I dinked with it on PTR, just an interested but wildcard effect.
No wildcard effect, this trinket optimizes are DPS and makes BM>Surv.

This can change. Depends if they change the abilities that are effected. Its a huge DPS gain for BM hunters.

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