Icecrown Citadel Buff increased to 20%

[Adam-Savage]

The Hellscream's Warsong and Strength of Wrynn buffs in Icecrown Citadel have been increased to 20%.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/icec ... sed-to-20/

[Ryai]

And all the bleeding whining I read!

Amigawd this is making scrubs able to see ICC etc etc etc. Would they just shut up? Did anyone else outside of a few people advance far and get world first/realm firsts for their guild for most of the raids before the buff came into effect or while it was still 5%? And I bet if they did it wasn't the people bitching or whining.

I mean people in my main server, Hellscream, are still stuck on like erf 8/12, but that could be mostly from lack of the right people.

Sure I'll probably never see it until just before cata but I don't care either way. Mean hell I've not even seen ToC yet and people bitch about 'casual scrubs getting everywhere'? Yeah bleeding right, no we don't thanks to the elitists.

Bleh to them. And bleh to the hard core PVPers.

[Saturo]

[...] bleh to the hard core PVPers.

PvErs and PvPers don't mix well. At all.

[Anansi]

[...] bleh to the hard core PVPers.

PvErs and PvPers don't mix well. At all.

[Saturo]

[...] bleh to the hard core PVPers.

PvErs and PvPers don't mix well. At all.

Ok... In some cases...

[Dewclaw]

Yeah bleeding right, no we don't thanks to the elitists.

I got into a H FOS last night on my druid. His DPS sucks, but that's a fix for another day. The DPS for the group as a whole around 2.5k, except for a hunter who constantly spammed recount and told the rest of the dps to pick it up. We were trying, we just weren't as geared. The tank was uber geared, but rather than being a jerk about it he kept telling the elitist hunter to shut up. Finally he initiated a vote kick and the hunter got booted. That tank was so patient with the dps for that run. We never died, we just didn't kill as fast as better geared groups could. Even though the tank had awesome gear, he was a nice person, and it gave me warm fuzzies.

I see way too many elitists these days.

[Chrizesu]

[...] bleh to the hard core PVPers.

PvErs and PvPers don't mix well. At all.

lol PC and Mac parody.

Is the casual supposed to be unix?

[kairii]

As for me I find PvP'ers and PvE'ers get along rather well. I guess each Realm to their own.

As for the Buff everyone knows that Blizzard is making the game alot more ... 'Child Friendly' By making every easy.

[Saturo]

As for the Buff everyone knows that Blizzard is making the game alot more ... 'Child Friendly' By making every easy.

More rep to those of us that downed him before the buff came into effect, I guess.

And no. You can't ever say "casual" to anything with the suffix "-nix" or "-nux", Unix, Minix, Linux, and so forth. Impossible.
EDIT: To illustrate:
EDIT 2: Picture didn't work...

[kairii]

Yeah. True but I know alot of people will quit WoW when they make everything faceroll. Let us hope that Hardmode's will remain hard.

[Dewclaw]

Yeah. True but I know alot of people will quit WoW when they make everything faceroll. Let us hope that Hardmode's will remain hard.

I heard they're bringing back the need for CC in cata, so maybe it won't all be faceroll.

[kairii]

We can only hope. Will be a shame to see alot of people go.

[Chrizesu]

Can't knock it till we try it. Personally I think PVP is going to be more interesting.

On topic, yay buff. Too bad the guild I was raiding on with my druid kind of fell apart over an icc run.

[Anansi]

Anyone getting themselves worked up over the 20% buff is just being daft. The buff will not make you play better - it won't make you not stand in fire, it won't make you not manage debuffs properly, it won't make you stand where you should so as to not wipe the raid, etc. It's just a buff, that's it. If you know what you're doing it'll make the encounters go quicker, but if you don't, it's not really going to help save for providing a somewhat larger allowance for error. But players still need to know the fights, know what to do, where to go when to do something and so on.

In our raid last night, sure we killed Saurfang in 2 minutes but we're still struggling with proper management on Sindragosa (that and our raids have had Curse of Malfunction cast on them lately - somebody always crashes at key moments, bugs out or something).

Bottom line is the buff doesn't make you suddenly play better and blow through fights you don't know.

[Saturo]

Ugh, don't even tell me about bugs...
*Remembers time she fell trough the floor at Valithria.*
*Remembers time she lost the speed from the jetpack in the middle of the gunships.*
*Remembers time someone said to use bombs on LK, 'cause that's how Ensidia did it.*
*Remembers how lucky she was not to get banned, because we failed even with that bug.*
*Remembers time Deathwhisper MCed her into a wall.*

Buggy place, that Citadel...

[Bulletdance]

I don't understand the reasoning of making it easier. (but I don't raid much) People on my realm don't seem to be having a hard time beating it and if the expansion is far away I don't want those high end raiders getting bored and leaving WoW or see the point in making it easier for people who like to challenge themselves for good gear to get it easier. If they all think its a snore and leave then I'll never have a chance to buy the healing ring that bone guy drops because I hate raiding, it takes too long and the drop chances are slim. But maybe I'm wrong and maybe they'll like it, its hard for me understand I guess since I avoid raids like the plague.

[Ryai]

Yeah. True but I know alot of people will quit WoW when they make everything faceroll. Let us hope that Hardmode's will remain hard.

I heard they're bringing back the need for CC in cata, so maybe it won't all be faceroll.

1: If they leave then they leave, they'll be back or they won't. It won't affect Blizz and it won't affect my game and if trade quiets down for a night without the QQ of GS or Achieve or Ach and GS when people without it can still beat the system or just have been boosted to obtain it and wipe the group anyways....

I'll have less reason to get disgusted and start spamming my report button.

And bringing the need for CC back? Oh joy. No, no offense to people wanting hard modes and some challenge back, but honestly? I had more than enough of it for a Botanica run that Coal out geared and overleveled. Why? Because of all the bleeding fail from the whole god damn group.

Yes there needs to be some challenges, but making it where a group is a horror to go into is just something I don't want to face. FoS and etc have already scarred me for life on my druid nearly, for healing. I don't need to be scared out of healing entirely come Cata because someone can't handle the fact they need to CC/Kite/Poly a mob and the tank ontop of that won't pull a mob happily ra- happily beating me to death with a stick as DPS die around me.

>_<


Anyways the buff isn't going to make or break anything, so if someone leaves over a buff well who cares. They're just sore losers, sore winners and sore players. They're in all games, in all forms. People who can't some of the time step back and view the game for what it is, a game.

And anyways why won't a buff make or break?

People in ToC/ICC/etc raid gear, wiping. On Saphiron or whatev dragon from Naxx.

Yeah. That's why I would laugh in the faces of anyone saying that this will make casuals oneshot everything in ICC.

Laugh hard and long.

[Saturo]

I'll have less reason to get disgusted and start spamming my report button.

You do know that GMs actually have to respond to that? You do know that asking for GS is NOT spam?
If you're reporting people that want GS for spam, then you're doing it wrong. GS sucks, no discussion, but GMs have to actually bother with those reports. And by spam-reporting, you're not improving anything.

[Ryai]

I'll have less reason to get disgusted and start spamming my report button.

You do know that GMs actually have to respond to that? You do know that asking for GS is NOT spam?
If you're reporting people that want GS for spam, then you're doing it wrong. GS sucks, no discussion, but GMs have to actually bother with those reports. And by spam-reporting, you're not improving anything.

No no.

Not the asking for GS spam.

The shitstorm that always comes from the GS spam. Sorry for not clearing it up.

edit: tho sometimes I do report the GS spam. IE in the span of 5 seconds there is this [Elitist] LF MORE FOR ONY MUST LINK GS KNOW TACTS AND LINK ACHIEVE!!! around a dozen times. Or more.

Repeatedly.

>_<

[Saturo]

Ah, good. I thought you were spam-reporting everyone asking for GS.