All mounts to work as ground mounts in WoD!

[Lupis]

...Think maybe we're jumping the gun a little bit on the No More Flying thing? There's no reason to believe that they're going to remove flying. They're only adding more and more flying mounts, I don't think they'll remove flying. Especially seeing as, you know, there are tons of zones that *require* flying to get around.

[Lisaara]

They've stated time and time again they're NOT removing flying....so could we not start jumping to that? Please?

[Qinni]

ashes of alar as a ground mount..........*happy crying*

[Nachtwulf]

haha yeah, they've said they aren't removing flying, so there's no need to chicken-little about that.

On one hand, flying is nice for searching up nodes. But I can also see where they want to curtail that. Plus your garrison will be able to find mats for you too, so there's that, and less need for farming. I can't tell you how infuriating it is to see a node (pre 90) and be heading for it and someone boats in from the sky and steals it.

If there's plenty of FPs (remember also that guild perks give you faster taxis), I doubt it'll be -too- all-fired impactful. I do expect them to eventually give you flight capability though, after they've let people run around.

On the topic of everything being ground capable... I do think some mounts (protodrakes) aren't good choices as land mounts because they're clunky. But they aren't the first... the Heart of the Aspects is an 'all riding levels' mount, the thing is farking huge, and yet usable at Lv20. I don't because I find it really clunktastic, but there's already a precedent. If certain npcs are being over-parked, they can just give them perma-personal space so people can't sit on them. (something I think more npcs need, frankly, but some do... Rogers aboard the Skybreaker for example.)

Edit: I forgot also... they've made noise about 'not flagged for PVP meaning REALLY I DON'T WANT TO PVP' being a thing in MoP. So if that flagged assmunch decides to park on the npc and you click on him, in theory you won't flag yourself because you have to actually manually set yourself pvp-ok.)

[Danielfboone]

They've stated time and time again they're NOT removing flying....so could we not start jumping to that? Please?

Read more, it's a given that they are considering it. Hopefully, they'll ditch the idea. As it stands now, there will be no flying when WoD launches but they have said they "will play it by ear" after that with the current plan (which could change) being to reintroduce it in patch 6.1.

[cowmuflage]

They wont get rid of flying. I think it's silly to think they will.

[Lisaara]

They've stated time and time again they're NOT removing flying....so could we not start jumping to that? Please?

Read more, it's a given that they are considering it. Hopefully, they'll ditch the idea. As it stands now, there will be no flying when WoD launches but they have said they "will play it by ear" after that with the current plan (which could change) being to reintroduce it in patch 6.1.

No. no they're not. They are NOT considering it. Repeat. NOT CONSIDERING IT AT ALL. They have said they just don't want people flying until max level after the next patch. Nothing has changed. It's just like mists. It's just like cata. It's just like wrath.

If you don't believe the rest of us, go back and read their blue posts.

Or yanno, read this article which states and explains what Bashiok himself said.

http://www.wowhead.com/news=223780/no-f ... -until-6-1

So enough with the chicken little, please? Pretty please? It states right there we will get flying back. It doesn't state they're removing it nor even hint at it.

[Castile]

I dunno if I want to see 100 drakes flopping about everywhere lol! I'll be sticking to my ground mount personally but whatever floats ya boat I guess

[Lupis]

It would be a bit odd to see a hundred dragons running around on foot, I have to say. Why not use your wings? All I can think of are just hundreds of dragons cowering under shelter and leaping backwards at the slightest indication of a sparrow flying over. Oh no, there are strange things in the sky! Hide!

[cowmuflage]

It would be a bit odd to see a hundred dragons running around on foot, I have to say. Why not use your wings? All I can think of are just hundreds of dragons cowering under shelter and leaping backwards at the slightest indication of a sparrow flying over. Oh no, there are strange things in the sky! Hide!

I was thinking they where too cheap to pay for their flying licence.

[GormanGhaste]

All I can think of are just hundreds of dragons cowering under shelter and leaping backwards at the slightest indication of a sparrow flying over. Oh no, there are strange things in the sky! Hide!

They are savage sparrows, after all.

[Danielfboone]

They've stated time and time again they're NOT removing flying....so could we not start jumping to that? Please?

Read more, it's a given that they are considering it. Hopefully, they'll ditch the idea. As it stands now, there will be no flying when WoD launches but they have said they "will play it by ear" after that with the current plan (which could change) being to reintroduce it in patch 6.1.

No. no they're not. They are NOT considering it. Repeat. NOT CONSIDERING IT AT ALL. They have said they just don't want people flying until max level after the next patch. Nothing has changed. It's just like mists. It's just like cata. It's just like wrath.

If you don't believe the rest of us, go back and read their blue posts.

Or yanno, read this article which states and explains what Bashiok himself said.

http://www.wowhead.com/news=223780/no-f ... -until-6-1

So enough with the chicken little, please? Pretty please? It states right there we will get flying back. It doesn't state they're removing it nor even hint at it.

Sorry, but you are wrong. They are definitely considering removing flying completely from WoD. The Blue posts do nothing but confirm that, especially the comment by Afrasabi. As I said, the current plan is still no flying until 6.1 but that is subject to change since they have also said they would play it by ear between launch and the first patch. The possibility is still there for WoD to have no flying at all. Bashiok's posting does nothing to refute that. He only confirms the current plan which other Blizzard people have said may change. It hasn't changed yet is basically all he said.

I'm not saying it will happen (and I fervently hope it doesn't) because there has already been a lot of player objection in the official forums. To say they are not or have never been considering it, is just not correct. It also is not the same as the other expansions were. You do not get flying back at max level, which will be reached by everyone before the 6.1 patch arrives. You have to wait until the patch and then do a quest line to reenable flying in the current plan. I'm completely okay with that. What I'm concerned with is the possibility (which does exist) that they will change that and never allow us to fly in Draenor. Not everywhere, just Draenor. Which means an entire expansion with no flying.

[GormanGhaste]

We intend to disallow flying while leveling from 90 to 100, and have flying become available again in the first major patch for Warlords of Draenor.
...for those reasons we have continually chosen (when we could) to disallow flying mounts in the 'current' outdoor content. In the past that's meant only while leveling, but in our experiences with the Isle of Thunder and Timeless Isle we feel like we can extend that for a bit longer in the new content, and have it be kind of a big deal again once you're able to earn flying in the first big content patch, and in the meantime putting focus on flight paths as well as having some more interesting travel options for players to use.

I'd suggest going back and reading it again.

[Danielfboone]

...for those reasons we have continually chosen (when we could) to disallow flying mounts in the 'current' outdoor content. In the past that's meant only while leveling, but in our experiences with the Isle of Thunder and Timeless Isle we feel like we can extend that for a bit longer in the new content, and have it be kind of a big deal again once you're able to earn flying in the first big content patch, and in the meantime putting focus on flight paths as well as having some more interesting travel options for players to use.

I'd suggest going back and reading it again.

If you mean me, That still only confirms the current plan which others have said may change.

[cowmuflage]

Show us these posts saying they might take flying away for good please.

[GormanGhaste]

I've heard all the developers have gone savage, so who knows what crazy changes they will make to the game!!

[Castile]

I doubt they will take it away for good but even if they did would it really be THAT bad?? I mean at one point there was no flying at all except flight paths...they would have to make sure there wasnt any "flying only" goodies in dreanor but I kinda liked trying to find new ways to get up a mountain etc instead of just jumping on a drake and hoping up there. Not that I think that would happen but it wouldn't really break the game for me if they did decide to ditch it all together for that continent.

[Lisaara]

...for those reasons we have continually chosen (when we could) to disallow flying mounts in the 'current' outdoor content. In the past that's meant only while leveling, but in our experiences with the Isle of Thunder and Timeless Isle we feel like we can extend that for a bit longer in the new content, and have it be kind of a big deal again once you're able to earn flying in the first big content patch, and in the meantime putting focus on flight paths as well as having some more interesting travel options for players to use.

I'd suggest going back and reading it again.

If you mean me, That still only confirms the current plan which others have said may change.

I'm still waiting for any proof of how I'm wrong or any blue posts backing up the statement. You've provided nothing solid where as the rest of us have provided blue posts stating the same thing we're telling you.

Personally, I think you're looking a little too deep into words and twisting them to fit your fears. :/

[SpiritBinder]

1st of all, lets keep it a little more civil please people. Please be aware that personal options can vary, but they are just that, yours. Others can have them and they are allowed to be different.

If you think you have some valid information to help clarify an argument, please by all means help back it up with a link or post, etc. Not just "I Heard .... therefore it must be true"

However adding these will not necessarily make your personal opinion correct, it's still just your opinion.


For me, they will never...EVER remove flying from the game completely. They may make areas or times or zones unflyable now and in the future. If they wish they may choose not to allow flying for the entirety of WOD, who knows, but they will never remove what is already in place, never.

As for Flying mounts becoming useable as ground mounts, my personal opinion is mixed. I personally think some flying mounts look rather clumsy on the ground, and if they will be permanently grounded in said areas, it will remove some of the immersion for me.
"Um Mr Dragon, you’ve got wings... just use them dam you!"
It's would be like us driving planes around on the road. Sure you could do it, but for me it would just look to funny

I know there are already cases for this (Dread Raven, Fel Drake, Sky Golem, Hearthsteed) but again, just a personal option and it’s mixed, some just look just fine on the ground while others look a bit funny. Also as other have already mentioned, some flying mounts can be quite large as a ground mount and may cause a little frustration in some cases.

On the other hand I totally respect and understand other really like these grounded fliers, my personal preference over another’s is not really a valid argument. And if if gives more people more chance to use what mount they want to use on or off the ground, making them happier, well that fine by me.

[Wain]

Thanks, yes, please keep it nice!

Secondly, none of you *know* for certain what their plans are - unless you are secretly game designers, and even then what is planned one week may change the next, I've experienced that second-hand.

Where was I? Oh yes... none of you *know* for certain, so please phrase your assertions accordingly. You *believe* X, Y & Z, you don't *know* them. Stating beliefs as facts may make you feel like you're in a stronger position in a discussion, but in reality it only seems to get everyone else's backs up and then things escalate.