Most deadliest warrior wow edition

[Redith]

So some of you may have seen the show, deadliest warrior. Where they have a simulated battle between 2 types of fighters.
Ninja vrs spartan
Knight vrs pirate
mauri vrs Shoulin monk

So i decided to make a macinama Wow deadliest warrior. Except if it was real life. Were not talking computor pvp. Im talking if they were real people. This means alot of abilities go away, but I still make the essence the same.

First fight Hunter vrs Rogue.

_____________________Rogue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hunter
Ranged weapons_______Throwing dagger_________________________Hunting bow______________edge Bow
Close weapons_________twin Daggers____________________________Polearm _________________ Edge Twin Daggers
Special Ability__________ Stealth _______________________________Animal Companion __________Edge Animal companion


Note-The stelth of the rogue is not that he can turn full invisible, he just has ninja stealth and ambush training. Also the hunters pet will be a wolf. I allready know who I might have winning but id like to hear your opinion of who would win and why.

[Dewclaw]

I think it would all depend on the rogue's element of surprise. If the hunter's wolf sniffs him out first, the rogue loses his/her edge.

[Saturo]

Rogue. He'd stunlock that poor Hunter all the way to hell.

But if RL conditions apply, the Hunter. He can just shoot the Rogue trough the head at range.

[Redith]

I plan on having the hunter win, because what it would come down to is could he (rogue) pull off a sneek attack with 50 to 100 percent certainty? And the answer is no. The wolf would notice him before he could get too close. Then it would come down to a face to face battle who would win? Easy hunter would have the pet distract him before backing up and shooting him. Game over

[Saturo]

The rogue would have to be retarded to focus on the pet, instead of on stabbing the hunter between the eyes or something...

[Dewclaw]

The rogue would have to be retarded to focus on the pet, instead of on stabbing the hunter between the eyes or something...

Focus on the hunter and the wolf would be on him in a heartbeat. He can't ignore the pet in a rl situation, it won't vanish when the hunter dies like it does in game. He would have to disable either the hunter or the wolf to swing the match in his favor, and he can't do that without giving the pet or the hunter an opening.

[Redith]

The rogue would have to be retarded to focus on the pet, instead of on stabbing the hunter between the eyes or something...

Focus on the hunter and the wolf would be on him in a heartbeat. He can't ignore the pet in a rl situation, it won't vanish when the hunter dies like it does in game. He would have to disable either the hunter or the wolf to swing the match in his favor, and he can't do that without giving the pet or the hunter an opening.

Exactally my thought. It wouldnt even matter who he focused on. If a wolf/dog could get a good bite on someone, the hunter could move 5 feet and point blank shot, or even stab with a spear. Its 2 on one at CQB and at long distance the hunter owns. so the only chance is rogue to get first unguarded fatal hit then all he has to do is mess with the wolf. If he doesnt then the tide turns to the hunter

[Saturo]

The rogue would have to be retarded to focus on the pet, instead of on stabbing the hunter between the eyes or something...

Focus on the hunter and the wolf would be on him in a heartbeat. He can't ignore the pet in a rl situation, it won't vanish when the hunter dies like it does in game. He would have to disable either the hunter or the wolf to swing the match in his favor, and he can't do that without giving the pet or the hunter an opening.

Exactally my thought. It wouldnt even matter who he focused on. If a wolf/dog could get a good bite on someone, the hunter could move 5 feet and point blank shot, or even stab with a spear. Its 2 on one at CQB and at long distance the hunter owns. so the only chance is rogue to get first unguarded fatal hit then all he has to do is mess with the wolf. If he doesnt then the tide turns to the hunter

Or, he could just kick the wolf aside and stab the hunter in the face...

[Rottingham]

I think it would depend on the race for the rouge... If it's a night elf, then that thing would be too tall to stealthily hide, and the hunter would easily kill it

I would say anything human and/or smaller on rouge side would probably win...

and this coming from a guy who hates rouges...

Losers on rouge's team: Orc, Troll, NE

[Dewclaw]

Or, he could just kick the wolf aside and stab the hunter in the face...

I'm not sure this would work against an animal intent upon attacking. It would have to be a disabling kick. This is a wolf, not really something that can just be kicked aside. We've all seen pictures of dog attacks. And again, distraction comes into play. While the rogue is busy kicking the wolf, the hunter can attack the rogue.

[Saturo]

Yeah, but the Rogue is essentially an assassin. Kick the wolf hard in the face, and I don't think it'll fight back a lot.

[Tahlian]

Unfortunately, this sort of scenario relies on a lot of assumptions. Now if we assume that the wolf is trained in much the same manner as a modern police dog and has similar "drive," kicking the animal in the face isn't going to do much save for present it a target to grab on to. They're trained to keep going until called off, unless I'm mistaken. And if you waste time focusing on the animal to the extent you'd have to in order to completely incapacitate it, its two-legged partner is going to finish you off in pretty short order. Most assassins would not enter into a two-against-one scenario if they could avoid it in the first place...the odds are simply not in their favor. Animal alone or hunter alone is an entirely different story.

At best, this matchup might end up a Pyrrhic victory. If the assassin could get a strike in on the hunter at any point, he might be able to kill the hunter with poison, even if the hunter and pet kill him in the bargain.

[Gimlion]

Well, if it were to be a more real life scenario, Hunter all the way, where the hell in the rules of life does it say you can't shoot a bow point blank?

[Rottingham]

Well, if it were to be a more real life scenario, Hunter all the way, where the hell in the rules of life does it say you can't shoot a bow point blank?

I change my vote! Hunter wins!

[elementdrago]

let the hunter have a wasp.
the wasp is a anti-rogue pet.

[Redith]

Unfortunately, this sort of scenario relies on a lot of assumptions. Now if we assume that the wolf is trained in much the same manner as a modern police dog and has similar "drive," kicking the animal in the face isn't going to do much save for present it a target to grab on to. They're trained to keep going until called off, unless I'm mistaken.

your quite correct. Im a Navy MWD (military working dog) certified handler and have been an actual K9 officer in Iraq, and Silverdale WA. (Im in Bahrain right now as security forces, i miss having a pooch ) anyway yes they are trained to not release until told to...and sometimes they dont even let go then, if they have a high prey drive. I once personally saw (not mine) a KIlo (K9) latch onto a target in Iraq who stabed the K9 3 times with a knife. The dog didnt let go. The dog was a Belgan Malinois. That dog is half the size of a wolf. So you can imagine what an actual wolf could take.
AND YES FYI the K9 survived...hell i dont think he even realised he was hurt until 5 minutes after the encounter.

[Saturo]

It was my understanding that canine craniums are relatively weak. Either way, I said in my first post that the hunter would just shoot the rogue and get it over with.

[Redith]

just like the show i run the battle 1000 times through a computor program, so this data is helping me out alot

[RimeCat]

What's the terrain? If it's dense, scrub forest or (even worse) urban the hunter is going to have a hell of a time trying to get a target sighted, bow drawn and a clean shot off before the rogue is behind cover. Unless he can turn the tables and surprise the rogue. A crossbow would also help. Hmmm, is it day, night or twilight? Anything other than good light is a rogue advantage. Are there areas where the rogue could wash his scent? What kind of throwing knives does he have? A skilled thrower is dangerous from a surprisingly long range.

As to the wolf, remember that the rogue is trained to kill just about anything, up close and with the absolute minimum effort. He will also use terrain to minimize the wolf's ability to track and attack. I'm assuming that poisons are out as that would be game over for the hunter pet - even the best trained animal will go berserk if it's blinded by the equivalent of pepper spray. The agent would also 'blind' the nose, probably more panic inducing than losing sight for a canine.

Is the hunter walking with his bow or polearm at hand? Assuming that this is a glaive, or perhaps a halberd, the rogue will need to take the hunter by surprise to get in close. Neither weapon is very practical if you are moving as an archer, but both are somewhat possible. Even if surprised if the hunter knows what he is doing with the weapon he will be able to staff-push the rogue out to range if he is not disabled. Think of a cross-check in hockey but without any restraint on the attacker, or armor on the victim. Useless if he is carrying the bow, but daggers vs. polearm is an easy win for the longer weapon unless the dagger wielder can gain a surprise attack, the polearm user is a moron or the terrain is so tight that there is no room to slash with the polearm. Of course, a spear, shortish pike or glaive/halberd designed to slash and thrust would solve that problem. Could still be jammed, but you would need to be an idiot to get caught in that sort of situation.

So how does this work? The hunter tries to find clear fire lanes and send the wolf forward to flush out the rogue. The rogue takes to elevation, neutralizing the wolf, and tries to find an ambush point on the hunters line of march. He may also hide behind a terrain feature to draw in and kill the wolf before the hunter can gain a firing angle. If the wolf tumbles to the rogue, and the hunter can get a shot before the rogue drops behind cover, the hunter has a good chance to win. If not, the hunter goes down.

Who wins? Depend on who gets the lucky roll on terrain, lighting, hide-and-seek, and whether the wolf can do more than try to retaliate against the rogue after a surprise attack on the hunter.

Final thought - if you are going for a "real world" fight, most injuries are fatal. A solid smash to the arm with the stave of a halberd will not kill you, but it will stun your arm, knock you off alignment (maybe flat on your back) and leave you open for a disabling blow. Personal experience, by the way. When I was young and somewhat suicidal I was part of a dojo where we practiced defending against thing like tonfa strikes using forearm blocks. Get the angle wrong and you lost feeling in your hand and arm. The shock knocked you out of whatever mental state you were in. Everyone wants to believe that we will just fight through a serious wound but it happens infrequently enough that nations across the globe reserve their highest military decorations for warriors who manage to do so. If your rogue and hunter are trained, but normal, people then the first serious wound is likely the fight.

[Dulanie]

I think this would depend alot on terrain. For example... in a heavily forested area or something with alot of obstructions the rogue would have an advantage. He could attract the attention of the wolf then kill it and the hunter would be free game. If it was open territory the advantage would go to the hunter without exception. You have to consider that the hunter would have to be very skilled to get a certain shot on the rogue cause a well skilled rogue could dodge the arrow or atleast deflect it.