Demand tome of cloud serpent.

[erictks1]

Get us a tome so we can tame alani .

[Bowno]

No please. I would hate to see Cloud Serpents and Dragons tameable. That would be like a smack in the face to Dragonkind since they're such intelligent beings.

[Qraljar]

No please. I would hate to see Cloud Serpents and Dragons tameable. That would be like a smack in the face to Dragonkind since they're such intelligent beings.

They're actually not. But either way, I don't see Cloud Serpents being tameable anytime soon, mostly due to their stance. They're very long, and thus will have to shrink dramatically to not be extremely obstructive.



Plus, many would rather see skyscreamers and kunchong first.

[Gazer]

Here we go again, I'll quote this as this is where it seemed to finish last time.....

You could if they're old enough, since more than Yu'lon was shown capable of speech. Also it is not required to be able to talk to be an intelligent being.

The only ones I'm aware of are manipulated or special ones. If the ones we train as mounts were capable of speech I'm sure we would be aware of it.

It's worth noting, cloud serpents are called Storm Dragons as well...so they are classified as a real dragon.

This is actually not proof, on several accounts.

"Storm Dragons" was a term used in a single quest and referred to a lightning version. If it was a general term for cloud serpents we would surely have seen it used elsewhere. But even if the word "dragon" was used in a common term for them, it wouldn't prove they are dragons. Their regular name has "serpent" in it but they're clearly not serpents either. Any more than Dragon Turtles are dragons, or Dragonhawks are either dragons or hawks.

But the final word goes to Ghostcrawler, who said in a Tweet:

@Ghostcrawler Hey GC, my friend keeps saying the cloud serpents arent dragons. Are they considered dragons in WoW lore?

@kuzanagi2010 we named them what we did to leave it nebulous. They aren't part of the whole Aspects scene.

In other words Blizzard has very deliberately steered away from either defining them as dragons or saying they aren't related to dragons. Anyone is welcome to have their own theories, but there is no proof either way for the simple reason that Blizzard intends for there to be no proof either way.

So feel free to believe they are or aren't dragons, but nobody will be able to prove their position.

But, either way, I don't see them becoming pets

.... So no, Not dragons.

Personally, I think they would make awesome pets, I just adore their animations and they seemed to work really well when the Mogu used them as pets on that North West Isle in Townlong Steps. Well that's just my personal opinion anyways.

[Wain]

I suspect they're one of those borderline (are they beasts?) things that they won't ever make tameable, but they're not proper dragonkin either. Making them tameable would break the ambiguity

[Krysteena]

I don't see a cloud serpent becoming tameable anytime soon. If people were to take Alani, the others who wanted the rare mount might not see it spawn. It's quite like if they made the time lost proto drake tameable. You'd get people wanting the mount, but then a mini proto beside them would tempt hunters. Evidently not quite the same, as most people will always see Alani flying around when they enter the vale, but it's kinda the same thing.

As for them being dragons, I guess they are. They resemble Chinese lung, which are eastern dragons. They don't need to have the ability to speak to be unintelligent. Our drake mounts probably can't speak, and think on it, we're riding drakes. The babies of the wryms. We're riding their children! I'm sure that it's just as clever as any other dragon. It just can't speak. You can't tame a dragon. It'll never happen. So, while the idea is nice, we won't be having an azure cloud serpent dart from the skies to assist us in battle anytime soon.

[Lisaara]

Absolutely not. I do not want dragons and/or Cloud serpents tameable. They are sentient beings. If you'd like, I can give you a copy of my argumentative paper about why Dragons/Dragonkin shouldn't be tameable. Cloud Serpents were used an example cause, while not labeled dragonkin, are still still draconic in appearance, intellect, and nature.

[pop]

I don't like that the cloud serpents are dragonkins when all the other celestials are based on animals. Cloud Serpents should be Beasts, just like how Oxen, Tigers and Cranes are.

[Kurasu]

I don't like that the cloud serpents are dragonkins when all the other celestials are based on animals. Cloud Serpents should be Beasts, just like how Oxen, Tigers and Cranes are.

As I remember ,Cloud Serpents *are* beasts.

[Castile]

You demand much OP (!!) but I'm on the fence. I can see how they are dragons and I can see how even as beasts we shouldn't tame something so close to a "god" if you like. We don't have a Xuen tiger to tame, nor a Chi crane nor a Oxen so why would we get a cloud serpent? I'm happy with my mount and mini pets ta

[Azunara]

/shudders

can we never try taming alani can you imagine the griefing people already grief each other over the mount

[zedxrgal]

The issue with cloud serpents is that their exact origins aren't known. Which is probably why they're considered beasts instead of dragon kin.
But I don't feel that just because they're labeled a beast that they should be tamable.

And stating that they're sentient is not a good reasoning being keeping anything off the tamable list. If being sentient rules out being tamable then technically ALL OF OUR PETS NEED TO BE RELEASED. Yep. That's right. Sentience is the ability to feel, perceive, or to experience subjectivity. Wolves in real life are highly sentient if you really get down to it. Some animals are less so than others however if you really want to get technical all animals are sentient in some form or another. To me saying something shouldn't be tamable due to being sentient is not justifiable as keeping them off the tamable list.

However I still don't feel that cloud serpents or dragonkin of any form should be tamable pets. Yes it'd be beyond badass to have my beloved proto drake fight at my side but not EVERYTHING has to be tamable.

[SpiritBinder]

I don't like that the cloud serpents are dragonkins when all the other celestials are based on animals. Cloud Serpents should be Beasts, just like how Oxen, Tigers and Cranes are.

Yeah, I think this pretty much sums it up, they are clearly not dragons as confirmed by GC when asked if they were...
"We named them what we did to leave it nebulous. They aren't part of the whole Aspects scene."
also they would not be flagged as beasts, they'd be dragonkin instead.

/shudders
Can we never try taming alani can you imagine the griefing people already grief each other over the mount

Does she have a particularly long respawn on her? I just assumed it was fairly quick as she tends to always be up flying around the vale more often than not.... but then maybe that's just our sever so not sure. Also I would assume if she were tamable, you'd have to collect 10 skyshards to break the Cloud Shroud or she'd just ignore you? And if so, it would be a pretty heavy time investment just to try and grief others.

But I don't feel that just because they're labeled a beast that they should be tamable.

And as much as I think they would make awesome pets, I agree with this too. It's just like Gryphon, Wyvern, Hippogryphs, etc. Some beasts just aren't tamable, and I'm cool with that too.

[Azunara]

Spiritbinder:

Did you never hear about the people who saw Alani get pulled down, and since she isn't tagged by the crystals, jump in and tag her then take the mount? That's the kind of stuff I'm thinking. And assuming the crystals were involved, that'd make a million times worse. Basically, while it's uncommon for people to be around when they see Alani getting pulled down from the sky, it is not unheard of for someone to pull her and in those few seconds she's not in range, jump her, burn her, and then take the mount without doing any of the work.

[Lisaara]

My paper on why dragons should remain not tameable

Got an A on this despite argumentative papers aren't my strong point but seems I got good at it.

@Azu
I heard about that! That's like the worst sort of griefing there is!

[Slapperfish]

We can already tame them. Tome or no tome.

[Gazer]

My paper on why dragons should remain not tameable

Got an A on this despite argumentative papers aren't my strong point but seems I got good at it.

As stated in this thread, and in many others before and by blizzard themselves, these are NOT dragons.

While I agree with you that dragons should never be tamable, nowhere in the original post or title was it stated they wanted to tame dragons, it was only about cloud serpents.

[Gazer]

Spiritbinder:

Did you never hear about the people who saw Alani get pulled down, and since she isn't tagged by the crystals, jump in and tag her then take the mount? That's the kind of stuff I'm thinking. And assuming the crystals were involved, that'd make a million times worse. Basically, while it's uncommon for people to be around when they see Alani getting pulled down from the sky, it is not unheard of for someone to pull her and in those few seconds she's not in range, jump her, burn her, and then take the mount without doing any of the work.

That must have been some time ago now I think, when you use the crystal on her now it actually does damage and tags her to you instantly, as soon as you use the crystal on her. Unless someone is in your group there is no way for them to "steal" the loot/mount anymore.

[Krysteena]

My paper on why dragons should remain not tameable

Got an A on this despite argumentative papers aren't my strong point but seems I got good at it.

As stated in this thread, and in many others before and by blizzard themselves, these are NOT dragons.

While I agree with you that dragons should never be tamable, nowhere in the original post or title was it stated they wanted to tame dragons, it was only about cloud serpents.

No, they haven't been clarified as dragons, but they're based off of one. The Chinese lung is one of the Easts dragons, that you guessed it, comes from China. These two are very similar, and even though they're clarified as beasts, many people do believe that these are dragons of some sort. The thundering variety are, at one point, referred to as storm dragons. Wether you count them as dragons or not is fine. It's just they're too...I'm not sure what word to use here...sentiment? Not exactly the right term but hey ho it'll do. If you could tame cloud serpents it just wouldn't seem right to tame such a creature. Plus, there's only 2 or 3 cloud serpent mobs that can be found in the wild and that's the onyx ones. I don't think Blizzard will add a few wild ones for us so we can tame them, when hardly anyone's gonna be humming around Pandaria as WoD is coming up.

[Lisaara]

Thank you Kayro. And Blizz has changed classifications before so they might do the same with these guys eventually.

You're correct, they are called Storm Dragons and as my paper says, they're revered by the Pandaren so they wouldn't be too happy with hunters enslaving their beloved serpents that have shown intelligence beyond that of beasts. A few have even talked.