Its Gone....

[MaximumOverdrive]

I'm one of those slightly on the fence, but mostly leaning toward the rare spawns thing. I have many rares in my stables, but I also have many commons as well. There's tons of pets I like, and they're not rare. I'll admit to my fav being Chromaggus, but it really had nothing to do with him being a boss in a raid. When they added that "rare" spawn version outside the raid, I was happy because it meant my alts didn't have to try to get thru the raid to tame it. I got the black warpstalker before it became common, but I'm thrilled it is because I don't have to go thru the insane trouble to get it on an alt. I despised camping rares and I hope it never comes back for pets.

HOWEVER...having fun trick tames or tracking a pet down or doing some crazy quest line...those I can get behind because it makes it interesting without relying on stupid rare spawns that get nuked in front of you. I've been camping these rares since BC and I'm not sad to see it go. Now I don't have to pray that someone won't kill that rare I've been waiting for while trying to tame, because that happened ALOT.

[Castile]

I completely disagree, I think it IS having the pet handed to you. To myself and many veteran hunters, long spawn camping, multiple spawn points, player competition, and a little luck are what pet hunting is all about. It sounds like you have had a lot of bad experiences with taming a rare pet, but your poor luck should not speak for the entire community.

You've only got to read these forums to know this isn't an isolated incident of ONE person that Novi was talking about. This happened ALL the time. Just because you've never had it happen to you doesn't mean it didn't happen. And yes I am a veteren too, I've played a hunter since Vanilla and that stuff always went on, especially when you HAD to have a certain pet to be even remotely good. Its great that you like that aspect of the game but that time has passed. This game has changed alot, it's player base has changed alot and people (and Blizzard) doesn't like to see griefers and campers screw each other over what is meant to be a fun game (hence the new tracking for hunters only in pandaria). In the same breath your good luck should not speak for the entire community either.

I find it hard to believe that a pet was held "ransom," and a GM had to intervene-that sounds a bit like a fish story, but I'm sorry if your luck is really that terrible.

This was happening very recently as well - it is not a fish tail. Theres a whole thread on the red hydra about it.

I don't think these elite rares should go away just because some players are unable to get them or are too intimidated/too lazy to try. What next? A quest handing out mythic raid mounts to everyone?

It has nothing to do with laziness - Blizzard doesn't like people camping and griefing each other over a pet. Thats it. Thats why the new mount rares are shared tags. Yes people will still camp but the logic behind it is still to share the experience with others, not who has the least lag and can tag the fastest.

You can still hunt but just not the same way you used to, time to move on - Gara's questline is the new example of the hunt...do that without reading a guide and you'll have a challenge on your hands for sure!

[Tankperson]

This is where I think my idea of of having a quest item drop only for hunters that leads to actually hunting that rare. Let me throw an example out there.

Your out killing wolves in Shadowmoon Valley, all of a sudden a random spawn appears of a big wolf not rare but a random one. It drops an item [Scared Hide], the item starts a quest that sends you to your local stable master who states:

"That is one heck of a hide, but these marks are from a creature bigger then what you spoke about killing."

He then tells the tale of Gix a large warpstalker pink and pokeadoted one. He tells you how Gix is just a legend never seen by anyone but these scars on the hide could have only been made by such. So you have to go out now to an area where you need to kill some warp stalkers. Next would spawn Gis Mate of Gix and they drop item [scent gland]. you use it in a speical area that will draw Gix out of hiding to avenage it's mate. But to find this area you have to find tracks that would lead you too it (to make it fun and instead of just going and reading could have said location be a randomly chosen area.) once you find the tracks and follow them say up into a mountain cave you get a sense your being watched and you have to use your flare to reveal his bedding. You then use the scent gland to draw him out and have dps him down before you can tame him.

This way you have everything that makes taming fun put together, the random chance of that first wolf spawning to set you on the path. You have then go kill more to get another thing. Both random numbers of mobs needing to die and are time consuming if your not lucky. Then you have the tracking and the tame challenge.

[Sabrewulff]

It has nothing to do with laziness - Blizzard doesn't like people camping and griefing each other over a pet. Thats it. Thats why the new mount rares are shared tags. Yes people will still camp but the logic behind it is still to share the experience with others, not who has the least lag and can tag the fastest.

Where did blizzard say this? because i see A LOT of griefing with the Nok mount farming.

[Rhyela]

I've done the camping BS, and it sucks. I, and many others, have lost sleep over some of those ridiculous freaking spawns. Having your desired pet killed out from underneath you for someone else's lols is never a fun experience. Or at least, masochism isn't in my definition of "fun".

I've not done the Pandaria-style taming, but that's mainly because none of those pets really appealed to me. That, and I just did PandaLand about a week or two ago for the very first time, and got to 90 in the first zone. I didn't spend much time there, needless to say.

As far as these WoD critters are concerned.....I like the new system. A rare is rare once. Once someone kills it, there is zero incentive for them to come back unless they really just have nothing better to do. And just so you know, that Rylak in Shadowmoon Valley took me a few passes-by to get. It had either just been killed, or was MIA. Of course, once I tamed it, I hated how it moved and its ugly little insect tail, so I quickly abandoned it. Thank God I didn't spend 3,904 hours to get it, just to find out I hated it and abandoned it.

All in all, I wouldn't be opposed to them tossing in a time-based rare, just so long as everyone's aware that it's going to be a giant shining beacon for bungholes everywhere to make hunters' lives miserable.

Sounds to me like there actually are a lot of "veteran" hunters here (myself included), who have been playing since Vanilla or shortly thereafter, and are just.....tired. So many years of the same crap ruining our "hunt" time and time again. These past couple expansions have given us a chance to get the pets we like without the headache. Enough's enough. Ten years of ganking, griefing, camping, lost sleep and general douchebaggery just isn't fun anymore for the vast majority of players, I'd wager. Can't really fault us for that.

And for the record, my favorite pets tend to be the ones that no one has, because they AREN'T rare. My plain little Pandaria stag is my most recent buddy. Though I will admit that I still adore Apollyon (King Krush). But this old girl doesn't have it in her anymore to stay up at all hours waiting for that dino to go stomping through Sholazar, only to be swooped down upon by a murderous lot and slain before my eyes.

[Sabrewulff]

Sounds to me like there actually are a lot of "veteran" hunters here (myself included), who have been playing since Vanilla or shortly thereafter, and are just.....tired. So many years of the same crap ruining our "hunt" time and time again. These past couple expansions have given us a chance to get the pets we like without the headache. Enough's enough. Ten years of ganking, griefing, camping, lost sleep and general douchebaggery just isn't fun anymore for the vast majority of players, I'd wager. Can't really fault us for that.

As you cant fault others because you had a bad experience with taming a pet :/

[Rhyela]

I didn't, and that's why I said I'm not opposed to them still having ones with timers. And few of my camps went poorly, actually. I only lost KK to ganks. Outside of that, I just got tired of camping all the time. But for others here, well.....let's face it, anonymity makes people do strange and often rude things. Too many of my fellow Petopians HAVE had awful experiences. It gets disheartening to see what OOO SHINEE RAREZ does to people.

If you ask me, I think this thread is starting to get dizzy from going in circles so much.

[Lisaara]

Also you're implying it was a single experience. Shall I sit you down and tell you my TLPD camp that took 6 months only for some butthole that was a hunter and had griefed me before previously with Terrorpene on 3 toons of mine and already had TLPD swoop in and tag him from me when I was the only person there? :/ Yeah. That happened. So thats 4 instances from one person alone. That's not counting the dude that threatened to commit suicide if he didn't get the Arcturis tame when I had been there longer and he then proceeded to kill him after stealing aggro from me multiple times then bitched me out saying it was his tag when I was the one able to loot and skin him afterwards. I can go on. I could write a book about the douchebags I've run into while camping.

There are lots of vets here and I raid with the Warcraft Hunter's Union(also known as Wyrmfoe and Dead Hunter's Society) which has a lot of vet hunters. I've heard plenty of stories and got plenty of my own. Shouldn't discount them just because you have been extremely lucky.

[Sukurachi]

This is getting silly.

If you've had no negative experiences whatsoever, then consider yourself lucky, don't criticize others whose experience has NOT been as lucky.

It's like those people who walk into a raid or dungeon for the first time and an ultra-rare mount drops. They then proceed to tell everyone else that they're stupid/noobs/losers or whatever for having been hunting that rare drop for any extended amount of time. All because they were exceedingly lucky.

I was ridiculously lucky. I got Ashes of Alar on my very first run through the raid.

I was ridiculously UNlucky. Even after over a year of weekly runs, I never got the Coilfang Stalker battlepet. EVER. And I don't mean I never won a roll on it. I mean it never dropped. At all.

So peoples' experiences vary, sometimes very radically. There's no point in calling people "lazy" or criticizing those who have had a different experience than you. Instead, count your lucky stars and try to sympathize with those who haven't been blessed with your luck.

If some people don't like the rare tame mechanics then just consider that they probably DO have a legitimate reason for not liking it. And just because YOU like it, doesn't mean that they're wrong. it means that you have either different luck, or different experiences, or different expectations. It doesn't make you right or wrong, nor does it make anyone else right or wrong.

[Lisaara]

Very well said, Suku. :3 Agreed 100%.

[Sabrewulff]

This is getting silly.

If you've had no negative experiences whatsoever, then consider yourself lucky, don't criticize others whose experience has NOT been as lucky.

It's like those people who walk into a raid or dungeon for the first time and an ultra-rare mount drops. They then proceed to tell everyone else that they're stupid/noobs/losers or whatever for having been hunting that rare drop for any extended amount of time. All because they were exceedingly lucky.

I was ridiculously lucky. I got Ashes of Alar on my very first run through the raid.

I was ridiculously UNlucky. Even after over a year of weekly runs, I never got the Coilfang Stalker battlepet. EVER. And I don't mean I never won a roll on it. I mean it never dropped. At all.

So peoples' experiences vary, sometimes very radically. There's no point in calling people "lazy" or criticizing those who have had a different experience than you. Instead, count your lucky stars and try to sympathize with those who haven't been blessed with your luck.

If some people don't like the rare tame mechanics then just consider that they probably DO have a legitimate reason for not liking it. And just because YOU like it, doesn't mean that they're wrong. it means that you have either different luck, or different experiences, or different expectations. It doesn't make you right or wrong, nor does it make anyone else right or wrong.

/facepalm
See this is what i was afraid of..... no one is saying that if you don't like it that you are wrong or right we are simply voicing our opinion on the whole situation. Getting on here and saying you are right or you are wrong it whats getting silly, if you are going to do that here im just going to ask u kindly to not comment on this particular thread thank you. If you really think that this is the same as a troll in a dungeon calling people losers and noobs then you are completely missing then point.

[Krysteena]

This is getting silly.

If you've had no negative experiences whatsoever, then consider yourself lucky, don't criticize others whose experience has NOT been as lucky.

It's like those people who walk into a raid or dungeon for the first time and an ultra-rare mount drops. They then proceed to tell everyone else that they're stupid/noobs/losers or whatever for having been hunting that rare drop for any extended amount of time. All because they were exceedingly lucky.

I was ridiculously lucky. I got Ashes of Alar on my very first run through the raid.

I was ridiculously UNlucky. Even after over a year of weekly runs, I never got the Coilfang Stalker battlepet. EVER. And I don't mean I never won a roll on it. I mean it never dropped. At all.

So peoples' experiences vary, sometimes very radically. There's no point in calling people "lazy" or criticizing those who have had a different experience than you. Instead, count your lucky stars and try to sympathize with those who haven't been blessed with your luck.

If some people don't like the rare tame mechanics then just consider that they probably DO have a legitimate reason for not liking it. And just because YOU like it, doesn't mean that they're wrong. it means that you have either different luck, or different experiences, or different expectations. It doesn't make you right or wrong, nor does it make anyone else right or wrong.

/facepalm
See this is what i was afraid of..... no one is saying that if you don't like it that you are wrong or right we are simply voicing our opinion on the whole situation. Getting on here and saying you are right or you are wrong it whats getting silly, if you are going to do that here im just going to ask u kindly to not comment on this particular thread thank you. If you really think that this is the same as a troll in a dungeon calling people losers and noobs then you are completely missing then point.

I'm sorry, but I do feel that Sukurachi is correct. You voiced your opinion, we voiced ours. Unless I'm being a bit touchy, you seem to be trying to convince us otherwise, and that rare pets never were an issue. You tell me my information is incorrect, when it is opinionated and cannot be incorrect in this context.
Plus, Suku can comment where they want. You can't tell someone to stop posting when it's their opinion, as that's a tinsy bit hypocritical, don't you think?

[Sukurachi]

/facepalm
See this is what i was afraid of..... no one is saying that if you don't like it that you are wrong or right we are simply voicing our opinion on the whole situation. Getting on here and saying you are right or you are wrong it whats getting silly, if you are going to do that here im just going to ask u kindly to not comment on this particular thread thank you. If you really think that this is the same as a troll in a dungeon calling people losers and noobs then you are completely missing then point.

I think you really need to reread what I wrote.
I never said anyone was right or wrong. that was the ENTIRE point of what I wrote.
On the other hand, someone on this thread DID accuse those who didn't like the rare taming methods of being "lazy".

And as someone so wisely pointed out: if you can emit an opinion then surely others can emit theirs as well?

I'd also like to point out that Petopia is a long-standing community where friendships and relationships have blossomed, and as such, a modicum of respect and courtesy towards others is expected. I understand that you are new on this forum, and that this thread appears to be the entirety of your contribution thus far, but you'll gain far more from this amazing community by making a bit of an effort to be more understanding and conciliatory.

[Sabrewulff]

yea let me stop you right there i NEVER said they couldn't comment on here i asked them nicely to refrain from commenting if they were going to start pointing the right and wrong finger on here. Plz fully read the comments on here before you start calling some one a hypocrite thank you.

[Sukurachi]

yea let me stop you right there i NEVER said they couldn't comment on here i asked them nicely to refrain from commenting if they were going to start pointing the right and wrong finger on here. Plz fully read the comments on here before you start calling some one a hypocrite thank you.

Please read my post, immediately above yours. and then take a minute to actually read what I posted and to which you responded about having fingers pointed.

I didn't accuse anyone of being right or wrong. I certainly didn't accuse you.

I highly recommend you take your own advice and "fully read the comments" before replying.

[Sabrewulff]

K with that said Getting back to to the topic.

You cant take there bad experience as how the rare spawn farming worked. The rare spawns ( with there long spawn timers ) where a challenge to see who could get there first and tame/kill it. Yes that's right kill it... You have to remember that A LOT of these rare spawns dropped unique items that people could use and or sell. Just because a mob is tamable doesn't automatically mean that a hunter is entitled to that mob to tame for a pet. Now I understand that that there are some people out there that will kill a mob just to kill it to get a rise out of people, its sad that those people exist in the game but that fact remains that that do exist and they are not going to go away.

[Equeon]

Now I understand that that there are some people out there that will kill a mob just to kill it to get a rise out of people, its sad that those people exist in the game but that fact remains that that do exist and they are not going to go away.

... And the whole purpose of the debate here is that Blizzard's new rare system alleviates that fact, in which a short respawn timer does make those people go away, and you wished that wasn't the case (or there were at least more "classic" rares available).

I would like to bring a slightly different point to the table: why not have vignette challenge tames in hard-to-reach locations? At worst, a griefer will waste two or three minutes of your time. At best, you become determined to overcome some taming gimmick or specific challenge and manage to obtain a nice new beastie. Surely this would appeal to both crowds (the "casual" and the "hardcore" pet hunters)?

[Aquillian]

Honestly... I'm glad it's gone. I don't have the free time I did when Wrath hit. If they were still relying on long spawn timers to make pets special I wouldn't have any neat ones. I am very okay with having full access to all the pets I love. 40+ hour work weeks along with house maintenance and several exotic IRL pets do that to a person, haha.

[Vyrae]

Personally, I preferred the rare spawns with longer timers. I don't see why we couldn't have both of them. To me, there is nothing really that exhilerating about seeing what I thought would be a rare mob, tamable or not, and killing/taming it - only to see it there again a few minutes later. When I killed my first rare in WoD, I felt excited and lucky, and it felt good. When I saw it again within minutes, that excitement was dampened for me. I enjoyed the challenge of being the first to find a rare spawn for a tame or kill. Sure, it was frustrating if someone swooped in to wreck it for me somehow - but the internet is full of assholes and I've just kind of come to accept this fact a long time ago, and just gathered myself up to try again some other time. Rarity has always been appealing to me, personally. I understand why some people might not like it, and I think adding in something to appease people who feel that way is fine. But I do hope they bring back at least one rare hunter pet, because I enjoyed the challenge of finding them. I enjoyed the competition. I enjoyed the uniqueness ( even if it only lasted for a time ). It felt nice if I had a pet that was still somewhat rare, and another hunter would whisper me and say "Whoa, where did you get that?" - and I could share with them my tips and info and in many cases go with them on the hunt to help them acquire it for themselves.

But, thats just my two cents on the subject.

[Stephen]

I think a lot of you are misunderstanding the OP and is causing the thread to derail a bit.

No one is saying that griefing and harassment is a good thing or that it does not exist in the game, in the past or presently.

I understand the appeal of having an easily-accessible pet, I really do, but what I think the OP is suggesting is that it takes away from the thrill of finding and taming that special rare pet. These anecdotal stories of greifing and harrassment are the extremes, not the rule- the likelihood of a GM getting involved in some hunter pet griefing incident is extremely rare if it even occurs at all.

In most cases of unsuccessfull pet taming, someone either got there first, killed/tamed the pet before you OR they killed you or the pet while you were trying to tame. These examples are absolultely NOT examples of harrassment/griefing and there seems to be a big misunderstanding here. Again to clarify, just because you don't get what you want or someone beats you to it, does not make you the victim of harassment or griefing.

I respectfully and totally understand those people who would prefer not to go through the often significant effort it takes to get a rare pet Including long hours of camping and competiton from other hunters/rare seekers/questers/whatever. I simply suggest that Blizzard add in one or two pets per expansion with tradtitional rare spawn mechanics or otherwise challenging mechanics for us hardcore hunters. I am not asking for them to do this at the expense of your hand-out "freebie," pets.

Also, whoever said that Blizzard has moved away from this approach can you please reference your sources? As far as I can tell just about every expansion has had a different approach to taming so it's a bit presumptious to say "blizzard is no longer doing X or Y," and last I checked there are still plenty of Mobs that are rare spawn/rare loot etc not to mention the voiced disappointment from hardcore pet hunters.